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Old 25-10-2013, 08:38 PM   #3981
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I dont care anymore ,and I doubt many others do .its over ,MI5 got the money they wanted ,Job Done ...its was a staged event ...now move on PLEASE ....
er, why? Onto what? Do you have anything in mind?
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Old 26-10-2013, 03:25 PM   #3982
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er, why? Onto what? Do you have anything in mind?
What happened at the latest court appearance Felix? I let it slip by without notice unfortunately.

When do the two Michael A's next appear?
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Old 26-10-2013, 05:12 PM   #3983
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What happened at the latest court appearance Felix? I let it slip by without notice unfortunately.

When do the two Michael A's next appear?
Howard - all we have to go on is this:

Michael Adebolajo, 28, and Michael Adebowale, 22, appeared via videolink at the Old Bailey from separate rooms at Belmarsh prison.

They were told their trial would begin at the same court on November 18 and remanded in custody until a plea and case management hearing on September 27.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/28/michae...ember-3860876/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24297429
27 September 2013
The men appeared via videolink from HMP Belmarsh, with Mr Adebowale sitting in front of a prison sign.
Fusilier Rigby's widow, Rebecca Rigby, was in court for the hearing.
A trial date has been provisionally set for 18 November.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:24 PM   #3984
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Here's a good example of a fake car crash a month later, in the Santa Monica shooting hoax:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/santa-moni...ves-the-fraud/

as a commenter suggests, it's a junk yard car. Like the rather ancient Vauxhall at Woolwich.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:29 PM   #3985
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Here's a good example of a fake car crash a month later, in the Santa Monica shooting hoax:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/santa-moni...ves-the-fraud/

as a commenter suggests, it's a junk yard car. Like the rather ancient Vauxhall at Woolwich.
what was faked and why ??
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #3986
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Interesting....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/441...Defence-League

Martin Sculpher was working as the head of London Underground's emergency response unit when Mohammad Siddique Khan detonated a bomb on a Tube at Edgware Road, killing six people on July 7, 2005.

Together with his team, whose bravery was recognised at the London Assembly inquiry into the attack, Mr Sculpher worked through the night crawling under the wreckage to retrieve bodies from the carnage, including that of the bomber.

But it has now emerged that the 52 year old has joined the EDL, the far right group which demonstrates against radical Islam.

The East Ham born Londoner works as a "medic" for the group, dealing mostly with head injuries sustained from truncheons and dehydration from alcohol.

....He turned to alcohol and his drinking got increasingly heavy.

By 2009 was living in a hostel for the homeless in Luton.

It was here he joined the United Peoples of Luton, the group founded by Tommy Robinson which went on to become the EDL.

Mr Sculpher said he joined the group because he let down by politicians who "pontificated about terror in London with their heads in the clouds".

He said: "I want to do something for my children's future."

Speaking of his experiences of the London bombings, he told how he regrets paying his respects to ringleader Sidique Khan, whose body had been blown through the floor of the train.

He said: "He'd gone down and wrapped round the road wheel on the train.

"All that was left was a spine and a bit of mush."

https://www.duedil.com/company/05651...tre-ltd/people

http://companycheck.co.uk/director/912808766

Funny too how there are white vans visible at these scenes, 9/11, 7/7 - the Kingstar Demolition van, and now Woolwich.


http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/capta.../kingstar.html
as usual, nice low resolution photos issued...we can't even read the signwriting on the van in front of the casually walking "surviviors" upstairs on the bus. Who was the driver? A key witness, surely. but no, just like the Volvo lorry driver at Woolwich.
a strange company, based, apparently in Mitcham, south London, but with a Hitchin phone no.
http://www.kingstar.co.uk/news.html
Unit 1 Cooks Way, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, SG4 0JE
Kingstar Contracts is a diamond drilling and sawing company.
write to us at:
Unit 16 Mitcham Industrial Estate Streatham Road Mitcham Surrey CR4 2AP

Mr John Graham Riehl
Born 57 years ago: Feb 1956
Director, Director
01 Jul 1996 — Present (17 years, 4 months, 7 days)

Ms Deborah Anne Elizabeth Riehl
Born 54 years ago: May 1959
Company Secretary, Company Secretary


Assosciated companies
Construction Robotics Ltd of Tatsfield, Surrey, near Westerham Kent.
https://www.duedil.com/company/02680...limited/people
and dissolved companies.....

Automated and Robotic Technologies Limited
Ashdown Drilling Limited
[both registered in Woolwich , coincidentally....
104 WAVERLEY ROAD, PLUMSTEAD, LONDON, SE18 7TJ

Impel Contractors Ltd
Hurstway Group Limited

Kingstar is part of the Robore group
http://www.robore.com/secondary/contact.htm

whose fax number it shares despite a Hitchin phone no.
Robore Group General Enquiries
Telephone: 020 8646 4466
Fax: 020 8646 4046
Email: [email protected]

Robert and Karen Harverson started the company in 1986, forming a partnership called Robore Cuts based in Norbury, South London
1999 - Robore relocates to a purpose-built facility in Mitcham, Surrey


controlled and robotic demolition.

strangely, Robore Kingstar Limited
Registered Address:
Unit 16, Mitcham Industrial
Estate, Streatham Road
Mitcham
Surrey
CR4 2AP
United Kingdom
Registered Tel: 01462 436006

Robore Kingstar Limited was founded on 23 Jan 2003 and has its registered office in Surrey. The organisation's status is listed as "Live" and it currently has 4 directors. It was founded by Mr James Hotston, Mr Robert Harverson. Robore Kingstar Limited does not have any subsidiaries.

none of the directors of Robore Kingstar Ltd of Mitcham and Kingstar Contracts Ltd of Hitchin overlaps.
http://web.archive.org/web/199910081...uk/contact.htm
020 8317 0221
London/Head Office
104 Waverley Road [now Bear Hugs day nursery]
Plumstead
London
SE18 7TJ
Telephone: 0181 317 0221
Fax: 0181 855 4800

Wales & The West
105 Wentloog Road
Rumney
Cardiff
South Wales
Telephone: 01291 622611

Midlands
Unit 1
Cooks Way
Hitchin
Hertfordshire SG4 0JE
Telephone: 01438 353545

Southern
Telephone: 01322 281000
Email: [email protected]

If you would like to see our rates, they are available on a seperate (linked) website which will require a password.
Please email us with your company details or call us on:
0181 317 0221
for your password, then simply click on the rates star below.

http://www.locatefamily.com/Street-L...E18/index.html

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Old 08-11-2013, 10:04 AM   #3987
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That Kingstar white van was not damaged in the incident; but interestingly had a repair done to the rear of the vehicle which included the replacement of the rear cargo doors, very soon after 7/7. A vehicle of interest!
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That Kingstar white van was not damaged in the incident; but interestingly had a repair done to the rear of the vehicle which included the replacement of the rear cargo doors, very soon after 7/7. A vehicle of interest!
link, Howard?
Interesting.
(it's off topic, but there is a common thread....)

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Those last RTs from @boyadee may -- or may not -- be eyewitness to #woolwich incident. I pass them on without comment or prejudice.
7:51 AM - 22 May 13 [3.51 PM local time]


...."or may not - be.."

Indeed. Hardly written from the side of the road, despite absence of cap'i'al le'ers and use of street slang which never quite reached the pages of the Guarian or Channel 4 news.
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Old 08-11-2013, 03:50 PM   #3989
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PS on Kingstar

No accounts of Kingstar Contracts have been filed since 2005, and a winding up order
administrators were appointed in 2006, yet the business is still extant, with liquidator's statements issued regularly until the present..... curious

The Kingstar Contracts company was investigated at J7T here:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseve...opic=1005&st=0
who seemed to get excited about a Philip Croshaw of Sark, who was a director of a similarly named company briefly in the mid 90s
https://www.duedil.com/company/02843...limited/people

The phone no on the van in Tavistock Square looks very much like the Plumstead one.

"Steve Thornhill, 45, an interior designer from Stevenage, Hertfordshire, who was walking to a meeting, also captured some of the horror with the tiny camera in his electronic personal organiser....Yesterday a colleague of the driver said: 'Fortunately he was completely unharmed. But he was very traumatised by what he saw.'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com...ress=125x47906
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Old 08-11-2013, 04:11 PM   #3990
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I'm a little rusty on the 7/7 incident and I'll have to have a look back through what I've got on that Kingstar white van being repaired afterwards. I'm working off memory and just need to remember where I sourced that snippet.

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Old 30-11-2013, 06:09 AM   #3991
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Here we go with the official fairy tale narrative:
30 November 2013
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-rigby-2863956
Mr Whittam explained how lorry driver Samuel Williams used his white Volvo to block the sight of Lee Rigby's body from members of the public.

The jury watched in silence as CCTV footage was shown of the car hitting Lee Rigby as he crossed the road.

It shows the car veering sharply before hitting Lee Rigby from behind, throwing him on to the bonnet.

"Mercifully he appears to have been rendered unconscious by the impact," said Mr Whittam.

The car then hit a roadside stanchion and came to a stop.




so, suddenly the word "unconscious" appears in the narrative, previously not used. Plus alleged CCTV and a vaguely named lorry driver who was mysteriously absent until now.
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Mr Whittam said traffic stopped and Adebolajo brandished a gun at one lorry driver who approached him.

again, not reported at the time, as the story is being made up as we go along....

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...t-8972842.html


Here come the well covered-up (until now) star witnesses...

Shopkeeper Ibrahim Elidemir was standing with Saraj Miah who was wearing a white prayer cap and smoking a cigarette. [important details, there....]

Mr Miah said the Vauxhall struck the soldier with a “terrible speed” and the driven then got out of the car with a chopper in his hand. The passenger got out with a knife in each hand.

He saw the driver attacking the throat of Lee Rigby with the chopper and the passenger stabbing his body.

Mr Whittam said: “He said to the men, ‘Don’t kill him’, but they did not listen."

Motorist Amanda Bailey was driving a blue Peugeot 206 after visiting her son’s school. She saw the Tigra accelerate “as if the driver put his foot down.”

She saw Lee Rigby fly off the bonnet and land in front of the car. “She saw that his eyes were open, but they looked frozen,” Mr Whittam said. “He wasn’t moving or making any noise.”


Notice, it is the QC, not under oath, who says these words.

Ms Bailey watched as Adebolajo took hold of Mr Rigby’s hair and hacked at his neck three times as the soldier lay on the ground. Adebolajo used a meat cleaver to “make a serious and almost successful attempt to decapitate him with multiple blows to the neck”, Mr Whittam said. At the same time Adebowale “used a knife to stab and cut at Lee Rigby’s body”, he added.

Ms Bailey said later: [to whom??? not to the court....]“I was so shocked that all I could do was sit there and stare at what was happening. I couldn’t believe what was going on. He was determined and he wasn’t going to stop. He didn’t care.”

Gary Perkins was a passenger in a car that drew up alongside the scene. He saw Adebolajo sawing at the soldier’s neck with a machete and the other man trying to cut bits of the body by hacking at it.

“He described the actions as being like a butcher attacking a joint of meat,” Mr Whittam said.

and here is the CCTV footage apparently shown to the jury - which as we would expect, cuts off before anything happens (nothing did happen) Well, they've had 6 months to produce this "film sequence"
A total farce.

"Mulgrave school...to which children were returning from a library visit. Members of the public turned them back to avoid the awful scene"

Film set, actually. Highly observational CCTV footage, paying especial interest in the young schoolchildren and schoolmistress...
Hmmmm


Schoolkids with teacher...so what??


traffic jam, John Wilson Street - someone has obviously blocked the junction.


Actor and stunt driver, shortly before someone shouts "cut". We are not shown footage of a pre-wrecked Vauxhall Tigra being placed next to a miraculously undamaged road direction sign.
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In the bottom photo from the ex-pub's CCTV, we notice that the lights are green, but a large white pantechnicon (the type seen parked within the Woolwich barracks in aerial photos taken shortly afterwards) is seen seen blocking traffic coming across the GREEN traffic light from Woolwich town centre. The lorry is parked the wrong way in the traffic queueing area.

part of the film set

I suspect that two Tigras were used, a roadworthy one, and another one dumped already in front of the road sign.


Either the car is just out of shot, hence its placement by the inside support pole for the sign, or any remnants have been blurred in the processed CCTV footage.
Indeed, a small dark grey box of shading can be seen beneath the P of the yellow sign in the video, adjacent to the pole.
As Valerie Singleton would have said, "one we prepared earlier" - hence the failure to look for the car in street camera beforehand, because there were TWO blue Tigras.
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There were no machetes seen at the scene, only knives and a meat cleaver.
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There were no machetes seen at the scene, only knives and a meat cleaver.
Thanks - interesting how these lies "emerge"
In this case, it's local MP Nick Raynsford (funny how these politicians, as at Glasgow, are key spreaders of the message....) who introduces the machete...
Mr Raynsford, the Woolwich and Greenwich MP, said he had spoken to local police and understood a number of weapons had been seized at the scene including a gun, knives, and a machete.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303
23 May 2013 00.12 hrs

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Perhaps the white refrigerated van is coincidental to the action - someone does seem to be climbing into the cab, though, and the silver car behind is acting very strangely, with that man wandering through the traffic.

The Volvo 18 tonner is operated by JJ Food Services

http://about.jjfoodservice.com/?page_id=29
Local depot to Woolwich:
JJ Sidcup

Unit 2, 
Five Arches Business Estate, 
Maidstone Road, 
Foots Cray
, Sidcup
 DA14 5AG

On the other hand, the driver could be an important witness.
JJ is a family owned business headed by Mustafa Kiamil.

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link, Howard?
Interesting.
(it's off topic, but there is a common thread....)

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7:51 AM - 22 May 13 [3.51 PM local time]


...."or may not - be.."

Indeed. Hardly written from the side of the road, despite absence of cap'i'al le'ers and use of street slang which never quite reached the pages of the Guarian or Channel 4 news.
felixfelix, sorry it´s taken a little time to find where I got that information from.

http://jforjustice.net/77re2.html about 1 hour and 8 minutes in.

Note to Mod: There is now another Woolwich thread that should perhaps be merged with this one (Woolwich 'Serious Incident')?

"Lee Rigby - Jury view collision footage"
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felixfelix, sorry it´s taken a little time to find where I got that information from.

http://jforjustice.net/77re2.html about 1 hour and 8 minutes in.

Note to Mod: There is now another Woolwich thread that should perhaps be merged with this one (Woolwich 'Serious Incident')?

"Lee Rigby - Jury view collision footage"
Yes we are aware of that. This is the incident. That is the trial.

Two different topics.

Besides, it would be such a mess if it was merged since they merge in chronological order. you would not know who was responding to what if it wasn't quoted.

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felixfelix, sorry it´s taken a little time to find where I got that information from.

http://jforjustice.net/77re2.html about 1 hour and 8 minutes in.

Note to Mod: There is now another Woolwich thread that should perhaps be merged with this one (Woolwich 'Serious Incident')?

"Lee Rigby - Jury view collision footage"
Thanks, howard, I'll take my thoughts/research over there...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262462
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felixfelix, sorry it´s taken a little time to find where I got that information from.

http://jforjustice.net/77re2.html about 1 hour and 8 minutes in.
Very interesting, Howard
there's also a bit more - ludicrous "prepared letter" at 35.32n - in the same footage in the 7/7 Conspiracy Files for BBC, which seemed to have been rushed out to discredit the Ripple Effect.
http://vimeo.com/31046237
Did you know that the Kingstar Transit van lasted less than 4 years on the road, not licensed beyond December 2008? That's not value for money. BBC footage was first shown on June 30 2009! The Ripple effect was released to the internet on 5 November 2007.
Hmmmmm
All vehicles in the same batch are still on the road.

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