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Old 18-04-2018, 11:04 AM   #1
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After landing, he told CBS News that it felt like the plane was "free-falling", and added that he saw one injured woman being taken off the plane by rescuers.

"There was blood everywhere," he said.



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Shouldn't there be blood around the very window or on the seat?
The victim is a vice president of a bank y'all.
Could it be that they staged this so that she could be sent off to Mars before ww3?
If she has two toddlers, nobody will question if they disappear with the mother.

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Old 18-04-2018, 02:47 PM   #2
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Seems very iffy if you ask me. Why weren't more windows blown out? Also they paint her as saint in the news articles about it saying she was an altruistic banker.

Also it is a nasty plane accident just at the beginning of the holiday season so scaremongering could be a motive for the story if it is made up.

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"Riordan is survived by two children and her husband, Michael Riordan, who was once (until 2017) the chief operating officer for the city of Albuquerque, CNN affiliate KOAT reported. Michael Riordan as Mayor was paid $73.53 an hour or $152,942.40 a year".


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Old 18-04-2018, 03:30 PM   #3
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Seems very iffy if you ask me. Why weren't more windows blown out? Also they paint her as saint in the news articles about it saying she was an altruistic banker.

Also it is a nasty plane accident just at the beginning of the holiday season so scaremongering could be a motive for the story if it is made up.
Perhaps rather than suggesting something is 'iffy' after just reading media reports, it would be better to read something written by aviation experts.

I dare say there are one or two qualified aviation specialists on the forum. (No arm-chair experts please. We have more than enough of those already here on all subjects...)

Then, after reading some informed opinion, anyone should feel free to pull it apart - if they actually know what they're talking about.

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Old 18-04-2018, 03:46 PM   #4
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Seat was just ahead of the leading edge of a wing

Part of the engine fractured including a fan blade.

The engine cowling failed to stop the parts striking the fuselage.

Passenger was hit by plane parts and then partially sucked through the window.*






*typed whilst cruising/surfing at an altitude of 0 feet whilst seated in an armchair.

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Old 18-04-2018, 04:36 PM   #5
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Perhaps rather than suggesting something is 'iffy' after just reading media reports, it would be better to read something written by aviation experts.

I dare say there are one or two qualified aviation specialists on the forum. (No arm-chair experts please. We have more than enough of those already here on all subjects...)

Then, after reading some informed opinion, anyone should feel free to pull it apart - if they actually know what they're talking about.

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It doesn't take a minute of armchair expert to figure out this could be 'iffy' since there is no blood in sight despite the witness commented that blood was everywhere.
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Old 18-04-2018, 04:40 PM   #6
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Perhaps rather than suggesting something is 'iffy' after just reading media reports, it would be better to read something written by aviation experts.

I dare say there are one or two qualified aviation specialists on the forum. (No arm-chair experts please. We have more than enough of those already here on all subjects...)

Then, after reading some informed opinion, anyone should feel free to pull it apart - if they actually know what they're talking about.

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Actually I do have expertise in that area.

Not sure why you are so hostile towards me for no reason. Bizarre really.
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Old 18-04-2018, 04:43 PM   #7
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It doesn't take a minute of armchair expert to figure out this could be 'iffy' since there is no blood in sight despite the witness commented that blood was everywhere.
Excellent point. I did find it suspicious that the so called eye witnesses reports didn't add up to the photos.
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Old 18-04-2018, 04:50 PM   #8
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I saw a picture on twitter where someone had found the report on google 5 hours before it was reported. Whether it is true or not I don't know. Damned if I can find the tweet.
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Old 18-04-2018, 05:02 PM   #9
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Actually I do have expertise in that area.

Not sure why you are so hostile towards me for no reason. Bizarre really.
I didn't intend any hostility, just a differing of opinion. But if that's your perception, fine.

Good. You have experience. Would you like to share?

And if 'They' were going to fake it, 'They' probably wouldn't have forgotten to add some appropriately convincing blood. But we don't know what she was wearing or how much of her got sucked out - do we?


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Old 18-04-2018, 05:15 PM   #10
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Seems very iffy if you ask me. Why weren't more windows blown out? Also they paint her as saint in the news articles about it saying she was an altruistic banker.

Also it is a nasty plane accident just at the beginning of the holiday season so scaremongering could be a motive for the story if it is made up.

Why would more windows get blown out ?

Ignoring the journalistic error that no windows got blown out - it was smashed from outside by a piece of debris

Uncontained engine failures are rare - Theres armour and intricate design involved to stop blades flying outwards. It was very unfortunate (million to one type thing) it broke a single window - I wouldn't expect it to break a large number

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Old 18-04-2018, 05:20 PM   #11
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Seat was just ahead of the leading edge of a wing

Part of the engine fractured including a fan blade.

The engine cowling failed to stop the parts striking the fuselage.

Passenger was hit by plane parts and then partially sucked through the window.*




*typed whilst cruising/surfing at an altitude of 0 feet whilst seated in an armchair.
Pretty much as I see it- very rare for that to happen
- designed for the blades not to do that - but lke F1 cars sometimes the wheel manages to bugger off.

Seen some very impressive ones involving C130s and propeller blades - enter fuselage at bottom 1 side and exit fuselage near top on other side

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Old 18-04-2018, 07:29 PM   #12
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https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=GHGS5R6MSG2W

We are supposed to believe this clown took out his credit card, punched in his details on his lap top to buy air time so he could transmit his experience on Facebook!

All this BEFORE he put on his oxygen mask and while a woman was hanging out of the window and the plane was plummeting to earth!

Yeah! Right!
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Old 18-04-2018, 07:42 PM   #13
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Shouldn't there be blood around the very window or on the seat?
The victim is a vice president of a bank y'all.
Could it be that they staged this so that she could be sent off to Mars before ww3?
If she has two toddlers, nobody will question if they disappear with the mother.
els ,,yeh! where's all the blood!

And vice president of a bank too!


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Seems very iffy if you ask me. Why weren't more windows blown out? Also they paint her as saint in the news articles about it saying she was an altruistic banker.

Also it is a nasty plane accident just at the beginning of the holiday season so scaremongering could be a motive for the story if it is made up.
Yeh ,, scare em all to death ,, more fear energy ,,

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It doesn't take a minute of armchair expert to figure out this could be 'iffy' since there is no blood in sight despite the witness commented that blood was everywhere.
What blood!

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https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=GHGS5R6MSG2W

We are supposed to believe this clown took out his credit card, punched in his details on his lap top to buy air time so he could transmit his experience on Facebook!

All this BEFORE he put on his oxygen mask and while a woman was hanging out of the window and the plane was plummeting to earth!

Yeah! Right!
Ha! yeah ,,

Sounds iffy to me!

ze dots' don't connect ,,

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Old 18-04-2018, 08:28 PM   #14
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Shouldn't there be blood around the very window or on the seat?
Why? She got partially sucked out and died of a heart attack. Bits of window behind her and engine chunks would have struck some of the 7 passengers behind.

Who said it was HER blood everywhere?

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Could it be that they staged this so that she could be sent off to Mars before ww3?
Yes, absolutely. That must be what happened. Is this Earth btw? Or did I suddenly wake up on Planet Batshit

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Old 18-04-2018, 08:35 PM   #15
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https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=GHGS5R6MSG2W

We are supposed to believe this clown took out his credit card, punched in his details on his lap top to buy air time so he could transmit his experience on Facebook!

All this BEFORE he put on his oxygen mask and while a woman was hanging out of the window and the plane was plummeting to earth!

Yeah! Right!
The problem being? A human being can tell within one breath whether there is not enough oxygen inhaled. The plane was 72 miles out ...just under half way on its descent....maybe 20,000 ft. You can breath normally and easily for many minutes

The bloke wanted to reach out to the outside world. This autohoax appeal to ludicrous incredulity doesn't wash. People are all different and act their own way under stress.

Nothing odd about any of this.
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Old 18-04-2018, 08:43 PM   #16
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The problem being? A human being can tell within one breath whether there is not enough oxygen inhaled. The plane was 72 miles out ...just under half way on its descent....maybe 20,000 ft. You can breath normally and easily for many minutes

The bloke wanted to reach out to the outside world. This autohoax appeal to ludicrous incredulity doesn't wash. People are all different and act their own way under stress.

Nothing odd about any of this.
Yes folks, nothing odd going on here, group think everyone, walk on by, nothing to see here...
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Why? She got partially sucked out and died of a heart attack. Bits of window behind her and engine chunks would have struck some of the 7 passengers behind.

Who said it was HER blood everywhere?



Yes, absolutely. That must be what happened. Is this Earth btw? Or did I suddenly wake up on Planet Batshit
It states about the blood in the link in the OP. Did you read it? This is the quote from the Op inked article that clearly states a witness says blood was everywhere.

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Passenger Marty Martinez posted a brief Facebook live with the caption: "Something is wrong with our plane! It appears we are going down! Emergency landing!! Southwest flight from NYC to Dallas!!"

After landing, he told CBS News that it felt like the plane was "free-falling", and added that he saw one injured woman being taken off the plane by rescuers.

"There was blood everywhere," he said.
So maybe you have been sleeping on planet batshit, but yes this is Earth and the witness did say there was blood everywhere. Your comment?

And why there was no blood on the window, seat or anywhere near what happened?
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Old 18-04-2018, 10:07 PM   #18
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Yes folks, nothing odd going on here, group think everyone, walk on by, nothing to see here...
Yep. First accurate post.

The thing is with witness accounts, is that they always tend to have some inaccuracies. It's human nature to exaggerate or to miss things under stress.

You didn't answer the simple question.

The woman at the window died of a heart attack...why should there be blood and why can't some of the other people taken to hospital be the ones struck by incoming objects?


Again, why should that woman be covered in blood? Bruised maybe from being pushed against the frame, but why blood?
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So maybe you have been sleeping on planet batshit, but yes this is Earth and the witness did say there was blood everywhere. Your comment?

And why there was no blood on the window, seat or anywhere near what happened?
"he saw one injured woman being taken off the plane by rescuers.

"There was blood everywhere," he said."

You don't think he may have been exaggerating? Or referring to areas near his seat nothing to do with the one in question
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Why would more windows get blown out ?

Ignoring the journalistic error that no windows got blown out - it was smashed from outside by a piece of debris

Uncontained engine failures are rare - Theres armour and intricate design involved to stop blades flying outwards. It was very unfortunate (million to one type thing) it broke a single window - I wouldn't expect it to break a large number
ALSO another iffy point I've spotted now.
IF the window was smashed IN, where are the shard of glasses?
Did they hoover it up already and cleaned up blood?
Bearing in mind, the photo was taken by another passenger....
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