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Old 05-05-2010, 04:35 AM   #101
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The Roman Catholic church is working hard to promote such ideas as extraterrestrial life, and universal spiritual oneness. Speaking for myself, I don't believe anyone who has anything in common with this church could possibly be an anarchist that is truly against the elite powers of this world. I just don't buy it, no matter how someone wants to package it.
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."


"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."


Go home and sit down 1964.

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Old 05-05-2010, 06:28 AM   #102
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David Icke said you either acknowledge universal consciousness (christ), or you don't. You are either freed (born again) in this oneness (consciousness/christ), now a child of God (Godhead?), or you choose to remain in your physical world (sin), a child of the Reptilian matrix (devil).

see that, identical teachings.. different words for different times.

The Jesus of Christianity?

The only 'other' Jesus Christ is the literalist one that the Roman Catholic Church invented.

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Either way, I don't see how you can jump to conclusions about Ickes political views based on his spiritual views..

Anything he might have in common with any organization wouldn't prevent him from being an anarchist.
Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, and the Savior of men's souls from their sins. David Icke denies this, and then he objectifies Jesus Christ by calling Christ the "universal consciousness".

Jesus Christ has warned us that it's the devil, himself, who's the god of the air of this world. David Icke is tells you, you must unite yourself to this universal force.

Again, David Icke tells you, you must unite yourself to this "universal consciousness". And, again, Jesus Christ warns His people to separate themselves from this world in every way.

By David Icke's teachings, you're striving to be at one with this universe. Jesus Christ has said His Church is not of this world.

The Roman Catholic church teaches its own perversion of the Holy Bible. David Icke teaches his own perversion of the Holy Bible.

David Icke's ideas are plastered all over mainstream media, as are the ideas of the Roman Catholic church. What other anarchist ever came along who was in fellowship with mainstream media? Look at all the movies and television shows that repeat David Icke's teachings - this stuff is everywhere. You're no more awake from listening to David Icke, than anyone else who turns on the television every week to watch shows like "V"; or movies like "The Matrix".

You can believe whatever you want, that's your choice. But I don't buy it for a minute.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:13 PM   #103
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I have noticed, that along side the true teaching about Concsiousness that is out there, there are numerous of bullshit writers who spew out this similar doctrine, but then compell you to "just relax, everything is perfect as it is, be happy"

This is what probably what happened when Jesus emerged. After the real Christians we're persecuted, some un-holy council decided what writings to be accepted as genuine.

I do not and will never believe that if there were a Jesus that deserves the appreciation he is getting, would ever pay tribute to Ceasar.

Now, I just noticed, that the Tempel tax Jesus paid with the fish coin, was a voluntary tribute?
This does makes me wonder if "render unto Ceasar" means to give him the tax he wants, or to give him all the coins with his image on them, that is to not even use his money. What do you think, 1964?

Let us say then, that Jesus did not possess coins with Ceasars inscription, and the tax collectors came and demanded money, what would Jesus do?




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Again, David Icke tells you, you must unite yourself to this "universal consciousness". And, again, Jesus Christ warns His people to separate themselves from this world in every way.

Understanding that you are consciousness is to detach yourself from the world. To understand that you are not your body, and that you are not a subject in the world, but indeed, the master. (and as a master, you create your own enslavement)

The thing that bothers me about Icke is that he is still using the Moneymasters' money. He's basically serving them even as he is using their money.

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Old 07-05-2010, 03:01 PM   #104
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Excerpt from David Icke's Guide to the Global Conspiracy:

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We live in a world of polarity that operates on every level and is expressed through division and conflict in areas like religion and politics. Both are vibrational constructs in which the extremes are the polarities between which the creation - religion, politics, whatever - can oscillate into form. The reason you find, for example, that religions and political systems and parties behave and operate in basically the same way is because they are polarities and expressions of the same vibration. Take the example of Communism (left polarity) and Fascism (right polarity). They call themselves different names, but both involve the same centralized control, military dictatorship and concentration camps. Between those two polarity extremes you get things like 'democracy' and 'liberalism' on the same political vibration and they, too, are about central control and dictatorship, with the military, ultimately, available to enforce it. They just hide the dictatorship better because they are further from the polarities where everything is more stark and obvious. I was in the UK Green Party, which is supposed to be 'different', but their political personnel behaved just like the other parties because they are plugged into the same political/vibrational construct.
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Old 22-05-2010, 09:42 AM   #105
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I've attended most Anarchist bookfairs in London since the early 1990s, and was one of the editors of the best selling UK Anarchist publication - Class War.

The UK Anarchist movement is pretty broad, but no it is not broad enough to include someone like David Icke.
David Icke is definitely not an Anarchist. He proposes the reformation of Capitalism and the introduction of "State Capitalism" where only the state terrorists themselves would have the power to issue currency, rather than the current system of private banks. Currently nations such as North Korea, Cuba have state Capitalist banks; The Bank of China for example is a state owned bank which does not borrow from anyone in order to issue it's own Chinese currency; they do not practice reserve banking; they simply issue currency and credit as required. While such a system might work very well for the Cubans and the Chinese, I believe that in a Capitalist system it would only serve to further enrich and empower the state terrorists and their military elites. "State Capitalism" was also a "Nazi" agenda as the Nazis nationalised Deutche Bank and other private banks. It is certainly the case that State Capitalism may well resolve the current economic crisis as governments would not have to borrow in order to issue their own currency; however I think it would enrich such nations and that is hardly the intent of anti-Capitalist revolution which is to totally disempower the Capitalists and military elites.

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Old 24-05-2010, 02:29 AM   #106
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David Icke is definitely not an Anarchist. He proposes the reformation of Capitalism and the introduction of "State Capitalism" where only the state terrorists themselves would have the power to issue currency, rather than the current system of private banks.
He only states that this would be better than the current system, not that it would be the end-all. I think the argument is that the populace can at least influence or oversee a government-run bank (at least in a democratic/constitutional republic), whereas the populace has absolutely no chance of influencing & overseeing a private bank run by a cartel.

I consider myself a left-leaning anarchist & definitely think this would be an improvement over the current system.

Did you see the quote by David Icke that flyermay posted?

David Icke:"What I believe is that people should have the right to live the life they want to lead as long as they don't impose their will on other people. I have a simple philosophy on life and if we followed or lived our lives in accordance with it, we would not need any laws any more.

My philosophy is simple, 'do what you like as long as you don't impose on others.' No other laws are necessary. You are free to do what you want to do. If you want to do this, go ahead. All agreed, go ahead and do it."

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Old 24-05-2010, 02:38 AM   #107
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Class War.
How to get a country to destroy itself, create a civil war between its citizens. A tried and tested method of the Marxist Global elites, aided and abetted by gullible students and "intellectuals".

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I think it would enrich such nations and that is hardly the intent of anti-Capitalist revolution which is to totally disempower the Capitalists and military elites.

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And give it to who ? people like you and paulstott, err no thanks.

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Old 24-05-2010, 04:22 AM   #108
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David Icke is definitely not an Anarchist. He proposes the reformation of Capitalism and the introduction of "State Capitalism" where only the state terrorists themselves would have the power to issue currency, rather than the current system of private banks.

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He only states that this would be better than the current system, not that it would be the end-all. I think the argument is that the populace can at least influence or oversee a government-run bank (at least in a democratic/constitutional republic), whereas the populace has absolutely no chance of influencing & overseeing a private bank run by a cartel.

I consider myself a left-leaning anarchist & definitely think this would be an improvement over the current system.

Did you see the quote by David Icke that flyermay posted?

David Icke:"What I believe is that people should have the right to live the life they want to lead as long as they don't impose their will on other people. I have a simple philosophy on life and if we followed or lived our lives in accordance with it, we would not need any laws any more.

My philosophy is simple, 'do what you like as long as you don't impose on others.' No other laws are necessary. You are free to do what you want to do. If you want to do this, go ahead. All agreed, go ahead and do it."
David Icke has repeatedly stated that he mistrusts all of the world's leading political ideologies, whether they be capitalism, socialism or fascism. He has done much to expose the fact that the central bank of America, the Federal Reserve, is in truth a privately owned corporation which controls the wealth and assets of American citizens. I wonder if anyone can provide a direct quote containing evidence that Icke advocates for a national banking system, and isn't just criticizing how much worse things could get under a centralized global currency. The emphasis on some of the more problematic aspects of global banking arises in part because of the risks involved with the implementation of cashless currency as the international standard, not to mention the enormous centralization of authoritarian power structures that would be necessary to enact such a step.

If the the global police state seems out of hand now, imagine what would happen if digital currencies allowed for tyrannical regimes to freeze the bank accounts of political dissidents overnight. This is a possiblity that is currently being kept under wraps to a certain extent by the gold standard, since it is a lot more challenging and time-consuming for military regimes to outright sieze the assets of citizens when they are held in physical form. The cashless currencies currently being promoted by globalist think tanks, on the other hand, would create a technocratic "meritocracy" (sarcasm), in which only those with access to higher education and technological resources could secure their assets through hacking and advanced encryption techniques. Icke's critiques of these possibilities are hardly an endorsement of capitalism. Besides, the banks he was referring to are not exactly "private" in any equitable sense of the word, since they are actually massive conglomerates run by international cartels, not the small-scale community based institutions that would make up the foundation of any anarchist/libertarian society.

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Old 25-05-2010, 11:01 AM   #109
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he explains his point of view on this one very clearly in his video cast,

VIDEO-CAST SPECIAL
David Icke Q+A in Avebury 2009
David Icke meets Premier Subscribers from the website and answers questions on a wide variety of topics, filmed on location in Avebury in 2009.

there are 4 parts posted there yet, in 3rd or 4th there was discussion on that same issue
I was just about to post that....
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I wonder if anyone can provide a direct quote containing evidence that Icke advocates for a national banking system, and isn't just criticizing how much worse things could get under a centralized global currency.

I have had several of Icke's Books but they all seem to get "borrowed" by friends and never returned, so I was speaking from memory and am unable to refer to his books at this point.

However....for example...

I think we can come up with a better economic system, one that is fair. We have to stop charging interest on money. Interest on money has been a modus operandi of these bloodline families going right back to Babylon. http://www.thedailybell.com/905/Davi...cial-Moon.html

So he is not really a non-Capitalist, but rather he wishes to reform Capitalism. In his books he does state that it should be the "governments" who should have the power to issue interest free money, not the private banks. This of course would enrich the various police states and state terrorist regimes if they simply cancelled all their debts to the private banking cartels, but this would not solve the proble.

I don't believe that Icke is deliberately offering a counterproposal to the current situation which is deliberately malevolent; I consider him to be entirely well meaning, I just think he is mistaken, that he has not thought through the consequences of his counterproposal and has yet to make the intellectual conversion to non Capitalism.

By the way Venus, I spent about an hour today reading your various blogs; fascinating stuff.

LL

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Old 26-05-2010, 12:04 PM   #111
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David has no reptilian horoscope at all. meaning he is safe from ever coming into contact. The world ends with Moon in Corvus. WW3 November 2010. Vatican has its end in 2014. Uranus is in Cetus 2012 and new Age begun days ago.

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Old 26-05-2010, 03:58 PM   #112
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By the way Venus, I spent about an hour today reading your various blogs; fascinating stuff.
Thanks. Glad you like it.
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:11 PM   #113
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Well this proves it, David Icke is a fascist.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/3...geted-for-cuts

Crying over welfare cuts.
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:01 AM   #114
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I wont assume your being sarcastic....

So go fuck yourself....
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Old 21-06-2010, 06:57 AM   #115
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I wont assume your being sarcastic....

So go fuck yourself....
When are you going to learn responsibility?

Levying taxes to pay for schools, or anything, is promoting that anyone who does not pay for these things should get killed or imprisoned for life.
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Old 21-06-2010, 07:20 AM   #116
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For a start he doesnt pick the headlines...

And for 2 taking responsibility ... this coming from someone who telepathically worships a false prophet via a book and bloke in a long robe...

Wheres the repsonsibility of giving you power away?
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