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Old 08-09-2016, 11:18 AM   #1
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don't worship the devil or do sacrifices... ?

Then who are those folks who sacrifice children, even people and do blood rituals ?
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:22 AM   #2
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I read something claiming it is Luciferians who do the truly evil shit. I have to admit a lot of self-styled Satanists seem harmless and nerdy.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:29 AM   #3
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don't worship the devil or do sacrifices... ?

Then who are those folks who sacrifice children, even people and do blood rituals ?
They are the ones trying to keep the primordial natural darkness that is not evil at bay so that the universe stays under control and in order. The ones doing this are those that are seen as light and all that is good and orderley under control, who fear natural chaos.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:32 AM   #4
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I would say that Satanists are not atheists.

...Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Then you have so much schools of thought like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeya...eism_and_Satan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Satanic_Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism

and so on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satani...gious_Satanism
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:36 AM   #5
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They are the ones trying to keep the primordial natural darkness that is not evil at bay so that the universe stays under control and in order. The ones doing this are those that are seen as light and all that is good and orderley under control, who fear natural chaos.
i have no idea what you just said.
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Here you go
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fun...al-beliefs.php
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:54 AM   #7
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You have so many "satanists".

"....Satanism pledges its allegiance to Satan, even while some in the Church of Satan believe that no God or devil exists. Most in the Church of Satan also believe that there is no redeemer for them or anyone else.."

http://www.gotquestions.org/satanism.html
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:55 AM   #8
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don't worship the devil or do sacrifices... ?

Then who are those folks who sacrifice children, even people and do blood rituals ?

There seems to be two distinct groups within Satanism

One group are Theists and believe Satan to be an actual supernatural being and the other group are Atheists....LeVeyan Satanism.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:18 AM   #9
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Satanists in general tend to believe that their religion is based upon secret esoteric knowledge obtained by groups such as the Knights Templars that the Roman Catholic Church levied charges against during the inquisition for practising Satanism.

However the Satanists seem to have missed a crucial fact, and that is any Satanism being practised by any knights templar did not work, as the Knight Templars got their asses kicked by Saladin all the way back to avignon, and this benefited a group that to this day have no laws regarding age of consent.

You can bet your life that the RCC would not have bothered one jot had any Satanism practised brought success, but the RCC would have been devastated to think that the downfall of the glorious templars might have been because they spent too long in the heat sitting around Weeja boards trying to summon Djinns to destroy their enemy with thunderbolts, instead of getting on their horses and fighting like the once glorious warriors they had been.

I think basically, a Satanist is just someone that works for the enemy or benefits the enemy either knowingly or unknowingly.
When it comes to a murderous group such as the RCC you might say, well what is wrong with working for the enemy, is Satanism really that bad...Well yeah, when you consider that the enemy has a paedophile murderous warlord such as Muhammad as their saviour, that is pretty bad, Ya!
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:26 AM   #10
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Satanism is really Saturnism. Also, when you strip away eons of conflation, there is pretty good evidence to suggest that the Earth (Sophia in her fallen state) is the true inspiration for the "Lucifer" story. Great article from a Gnostic perspective by John Lash:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/mistic_38.htm
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Satanism is really Saturnism. Also, when you strip away eons of conflation, there is pretty good evidence to suggest that the Earth (Sophia in her fallen state) is the true inspiration for the "Lucifer" story. Great article from a Gnostic perspective by John Lash:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/mistic_38.htm
In Roman society there was different levels of understanding depending upon your social standing.

What is interesting is that from 500 BC Lead was used extensively in Roman aqueducts, however Julius Caesars engineer Vitruvius warned Julius Caeser that lead is a poison and earthenware pipes are safer.

The Romans then believed that Gout was caused by Lead poisoning and with lead also being a Wine sweetener they called it "saturnine gout", as their wine was sown by the seed of Saturn who was the god of agriculture, probably leading to the riotous revel of Bacchanalia and worship of Bacchas, the god of wine.

Infact, they perhaps wrongfully believed that it was "Saturnine gout" and possibally "Bacchas worship" that was one of the factors in the decline of their empire.


Infact, even today the Roman term of Saturnism is our medical term for lead poisoning
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic....com/saturnism
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:01 AM   #12
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In Roman society there was different levels of understanding depending upon your social standing.

What is interesting is that from 500 BC Lead was used extensively in Roman aqueducts, however Julius Caesars engineer Vitruvius warned Julius Caeser that lead is a poison and earthenware pipes are safer.

The Romans then believed that Gout was caused by Lead poisoning and with lead also being a Wine sweetener they called it "saturnine gout", as their wine was sown by the seed of Saturn who was the god of agriculture.

Infact, they perhaps wrongfully believed that it was "Saturnine gout" that was one of the factors in the decline of their empire.


Infact, even today the Roman term of Saturnism is our medical term for lead poisoning
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic....com/saturnism
Highly interesting! Thanks for pointing that out. I had never come across that.
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Highly interesting! Thanks for pointing that out. I had never come across that.
They used to have an event called Bacchanalia.
Bacchas being the god of wine.
I think Saturnalia had a tendency to turn in to the more riotous and revelry Bacchanalia with Saturn worship leading to Bacchas worship.
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They used to have an event called Bacchanalia.
Bacchas being the god of wine.
I think Saturnalia had a tendency to turn in to the more riotous and revelry Bacchanalia with Saturn worship leading to Bacchas worship.
One festival for the Solar Sun and another for the Black Sun perhaps?
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The deity of Satanism is the EGO.

There are also "theistic Satanists" who believe in a literal demonic entity, though. They also seem to worship their egos.
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Left hand path = Left brain domination = In the world and of it with no connection to spirit
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There is Satanism (real, underground scary shit) and "Satanism" the atheistic religion codified by Anton LaVey.

The Church of Satan and all other LaVeyan forms are relatively harmless in my view. They ARE atheistic, teaching that we are each our own god and that morality is subjective - good is what you like and evil is that which you don't like. They "play" with imagery of the devil, but mainly hold to the idea that Satan is nothing more than an archetype representing brute individualism. They do have a belief in magic and the power of ritual, but without acknowledging the existence of external deities. They have no belief in an afterlife, and identify humans as nothing more than animals at the top of the food chain.

I know this with absolute certainty because, at the risk of identifying myself, many years ago I was a relatively high-ranking member of the CoS.

It should go without saying that my worldview has changed significantly since then.
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From what I know Satan was a fallen angel. It/he "fell" from the source/Heaven into Hell where it/he could attempt to rule over the physical realm. The real Satanists worship that spirit.
Then there is the fake, cover version which is less evil but more lame.

Notice I said "was".
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They are the ones trying to keep the primordial natural darkness that is not evil at bay so that the universe stays under control and in order. The ones doing this are those that are seen as light and all that is good and orderley under control, who fear natural chaos.
Fenrir6,

Growth requires chaos and darkness. Gaia is not an evil entity. She is just beyond the reach of the Vatican.

The Vatican always screws up, down and sideways. Look at Monsanto and the super weeds. They goofed with soil bacteria. No surprise.

Growth requires the waning moon. If the moon is an artifice we are in real danger should the moon be altered. It might bring back the dinosaurs.
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If Satanists are atheists and don't worship the devil or do sacrifices then who are those folks who sacrifice children, even people and do blood rituals?
Child sacrifice is an ancient practice that was even practiced in the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism - Christianity - Islam). Any form of non-theistic Satanism certainly would not entertain any form of human sacrifice, simply because there are no entities to be petitioned. Luciferians are even more so against any Living Sacrifice or Blood Sacrifice.

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