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Old 17-09-2018, 08:42 AM   #1
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Thumbs down Perverse Environmental Conservationism

So occasionally someone will tell me they still watch the BBC for the nature programmes. But my argument is that they almost invariably degenerate into one of 3 mindsets:-

1) Humans are wrecking the environment = it's all (y)our fault = feel bad. Basically a psychological attack on those who care about the Natural World. Usually they use technology (along with an exotic location) to create an interest: spectacular landscapes, motion tracking (increasingly drone footage), close ups and super slow mos. Then they get you emotionally attached to the subject matter (often something cute and cuddly or rarely seen). Finally they drop the Bombshell that the outlook is totally bleak and hopeless (sometimes they'll be some "charity" that's woefully underfunded).

2) On the grounds of "observational science" we need to track / monitor the F out of these critters. Y'know where they strap a radio tracker the size of an 80s mobile to a creature whose survival is dependent on it's agility. If the poor thing wasn't struggling already, it certainly is now! The other variant is where they trap smaller quite fragile animals, say birds or lizards, to fit ID rings. However, the trapping is done really crudely with nets/traps and the fitting is done by some banana-fingered clut with pliers. Gosh really minimising the distress caused there. Also that tag's definitely not going to get torturously sore and infected.

3) A "native" species is under "threat" (usually from something "introduced") so the solution is to persecute the (perceived) threat. It's a variant of the previous, but more degenerate because people motivated by conservation (i.e. preservation) end up obliterating something (with no real idea of the actual consequences). "We must fight for peace" it's that kind of doublethink.
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Old 17-09-2018, 03:04 PM   #2
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The best steps that could be taken in the short term would be an outright ban on monsantos roundup which I believe is not only denaturing soil but also seeping into watercourses and destroying biodiversity and a subsidisation of organic farming to incentivise farmers to switch from using toxic pesticides to using permaculture methods

Return of strip-field farming creates haven for rare species in south Wales
National Trust trial of 13th century method used until 1940s transforms stretch of Gower peninsula coast
Steven Morris
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Wed 29 Aug 2018 18.00 BST

A pioneering farming project using field management techniques dating back to the 13th century has transformed a stretch of coast into a haven for endangered animals, birds, insects and wildflowers.

The experimental return to “strip-field farming” close to the spectacular Rhossili Bay on the Gower peninsula in south Wales is being credited with a threefold increase in the number of species of wildflowers and the appearance of rare birds such as the hen harrier and grasshopper warbler.

As many as 63 butterflies were spotted in 60 seconds in one of the strip fields at the Vile, compared with a maximum of six in neighbouring pastures that are farmed conventionally.

The Vile, which is old English for strip fields, was farmed in the old-fashioned way until the late 1940s. Shortages then led to the intensification of agriculture across the UK including, to a more limited extent, the Vile.

The National Trust, which owns around three-quarters of the 111 acre site, launched a project to wholly restore the strip fields two years ago. Rangers and 80 volunteers have created 2,000 metres of banks and hedges that had been removed to satisfy the demands of heavily mechanised farming, turning six fields into a patchwork of 17 different areas. The plots rejoice in names such as Bramble Bush, Sandyland and Priest Hay.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...in-south-wales
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Old 17-09-2018, 04:50 PM   #3
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They like to increasingly feature industrialised factory farms, the machinery for which they portray as some kind of fairground ride. The last episode of Countryfile featured the harvesting of 38,000 tons of carrots. The Presenter (come model) of course had to have a go at driving, just to do the Girl Power bit. Meanwhile the sorting factory machines were staffed entirely by women, who they described as being better suited to it (desperate enough to accept dead-end minimum wage work more like).

The smaller farms they do occasionally feature tend to be the playthings of BBC staff themselves (or associated actors/celebs).
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Old 17-09-2018, 05:06 PM   #4
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They like to increasingly feature industrialised factory farms, the machinery for which they portray as some kind of fairground ride. The last episode of Countryfile featured the harvesting of 38,000 tons of carrots. The Presenter (come model) of course had to have a go at driving, just to do the Girl Power bit. Meanwhile the sorting factory machines were staffed entirely by women, who they described as being better suited to it (desperate enough to accept dead-end minimum wage work more like).

The smaller farms they do occasionally feature tend to be the playthings of BBC staff themselves (or associated actors/celebs).
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Old 20-09-2018, 11:21 AM   #5
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Thumbs down another example

For years now they've been pushing crappy plastic products on us. Y'know the kind with useless plastic clips that break and you have to chuck the entire thing away even though 99% of it is almost new.

McDonalds was the UK's biggest "Toy Manufacturer" - except they didn't make real toys - just plastic junk to try and encourage parents to feed their brats "Happy Meals". Like those stupid trinkets you get in Xmas Crackers, I bet most go straight in the bin.

Despite this going on for decades and decades, it's only recently they've been going on about plastic pollution. I heard one report saying there was more plastic in the ocean (micro-beads n that) than fish! In UK Supermarkets you have to pay a 5p plastic bag tax (and there's talk of expanding it).

Now in all those decades the money's been paper (well the notes, which are worth more). But guess what - they just changed it to plastic!
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Old 21-09-2018, 08:28 AM   #6
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Thumbs down congestion causing bus lanes/stops + cyclists

So fair enough if you use the bus or cycle (sensibly), they CAN be efficient modes of transport.

However, if you're causing massive tailbacks by belligerently cycling up a road that, maybe you should be able to cycle up (in theory), but not without majorly disrupting (if not blatantly endangering yourself and) OTHERS, then you're really not doing the environment any favours. What's more if you think strutting around the workplace in all your get-up makes anyone think you're somehow anything more than a prat, then you're deluded.

See when a bus has regular stops along a busy road, but no off-road pull-ins. More often than not they are oversized for the road and no-one can get round them without taking huge risks. Then you have silly bus stops near corners or junctions that are just hazardous. Being stuck in gridlock watching a solitary bus going down an empty bus lane with about 2 people onboard. What a joke! Another classic is bus stops being positioned on steep hills that they (and anyone else who gets trapped) need to massively rev up to pull away from.

What about those pedestrianised town centres that only buses are allowed into? Mysteriously they still reek of diesel fumes.

Surely having a step that lowers for dis/embarkation would be more efficient that lowering the entire front of the bus with hydraulics? Who knows?

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Old 18-02-2019, 12:25 PM   #7
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Default it's called ecologism

...it doesn't help the ecology, it only keeps us busy
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Old 18-02-2019, 10:04 PM   #8
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I bought 3 trees to put in my parents village green. They told my dad they don't want them because they are not 'native'.

All the trees were in fact endangered in thier original native habitats from logging etc but have been here for hundreads of years which is why I chose them.

The native arguement in the U.K is a rather stupid one anyway. The last ice age wiped out any truely native fauna here and its been slowly been introduced by nature or humans since then.

There have been lots of cases of people spraying herbicide, fungicides etc to 'protect' native plants too.

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