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Old 06-07-2012, 03:59 PM   #101
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I just sent an email to a scientist asking him about the Higgs field. My question is that if the Higgs field gives mass to particles how can it give mass to the Higgs particle itself? That may be a tricky question to answer.
Yay! I got a reply from the scientist. He said that the mass of the Higgs particle is unexplained. Ha ha. I suspected that.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:22 PM   #102
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Acording to quantum physics doesnt conciousness affect the outcome just by the act of watching? So wont they just find whatever they expect to find? There may be a god particle there may not be a god particle and both could be equally true and equally false. Personally im not fussed what they find.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:39 PM   #103
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Yay! I got a reply from the scientist. He said that the mass of the Higgs particle is unexplained. Ha ha. I suspected that.
Amazing, it'll be ten years before we have the end of that narrative. But they'll never put themsleves out-of a job, so expect more drivel ...I suspect they can keep it up until the end of time.

I just can't believe they have one part of the story figured out but not the rest. It seems to just get more and more ridiculous.

For example, at a certain time 'quarks' were the fundamental source of all things in the universe. Everything was made of quarks. So what make up quarks, well it's the quantum foam ofcourse. And what makes-up the quantum foam ...oh we still haven't got there yet, the 'cutting-edge' (narrative) won't discover that for many many years.

Then you have a competing narrative, string theory. Everything is strings of energy. OK, what makes the string of energy (must be consciosness, as consciousness is fundamental to energy) but do we ever hear about consciousness?, do we ever hear that consciousness is THE thing that makes the whole universe go round, fundamental to all things...
NEVER.

They have pretty much hit the wall with the quantum foam and string theory, now they will have to circle the drain in an absurd and sad agenda to avoid acknowledging that consciousness (us) is the source of all things.
They will do anything to deny God (us, our Godhood).
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:25 PM   #104
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Amazing, it'll be ten years before we have the end of that narrative. But they'll never put themsleves out-of a job, so expect more drivel ...I suspect they can keep it up until the end of time.

I just can't believe they have one part of the story figured out but not the rest. It seems to just get more and more ridiculous.

For example, at a certain time 'quarks' were the fundamental source of all things in the universe. Everything was made of quarks. So what make up quarks, well it's the quantum foam ofcourse. And what makes-up the quantum foam ...oh we still haven't got there yet, the 'cutting-edge' (narrative) won't discover that for many many years.

Then you have a competing narrative, string theory. Everything is strings of energy. OK, what makes the string of energy (must be consciosness, as consciousness is fundamental to energy) but do we ever hear about consciousness?, do we ever hear that consciousness is THE thing that makes the whole universe go round, fundamental to all things...
NEVER.

They have pretty much hit the wall with the quantum foam and string theory, now they will have to circle the drain in an absurd and sad agenda to avoid acknowledging that consciousness (us) is the source of all things.
They will do anything to deny God (us, our Godhood).
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David Bohm took the view that quantum theory and relativity contradicted one another, and that this contradiction implied that there existed a more fundamental level in the physical universe.[8] He claimed that both quantum theory and relativity pointed towards this deeper theory. This more fundamental level was supposed to represent an undivided wholeness and an implicate order, from which arose the explicate order of the universe as we experience it.

Bohm's proposed implicate order applies both to matter and consciousness, and he suggests that it could explain the relationship between them. Mind and matter are here seen as projections into our explicate order from the underlying reality of the implicate order. Bohm claims that when we look at the matter in space, we can see nothing in these concepts that helps us to understand consciousness.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:50 PM   #105
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God particle is 'found': Scientists at Cern expected to announce on Wednesday Higgs boson particle has been discovered

Scientists 'will say they are 99.99% certain' the particle has been found
Leading physicists have been invited to event - sparking speculation that Higgs Boson particle has been found
'God Particle' gives particles that make up atoms their mass

By Rob Cooper

Scientists at Cern will announce that the elusive Higgs boson 'God Particle' has been found at a press conference next week, it is believed.

Five leading theoretical physicists have been invited to the event on Wednesday - sparking speculation that the particle has been discovered.

Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider are expected to say they are 99.99 per cent certain it has been found - which is known as 'four sigma' level.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz1zNw05WFb

Hey i've been here all the time.

science is not 99.99% science is 100% so something stinks.
Well I for one am glad that god has been found alive and well, even if it´s inside a Swiss magnet. That should put an end to religion, almost makes the cost seem worth it-
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #106
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Life on mars has been found too.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:54 PM   #107
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Not saying there is a 4D God but isn't this photo funny.... where did it come from? Mars?

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Old 06-07-2012, 06:27 PM   #108
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The god particle has nothing to do with god.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:42 PM   #109
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@Jon
That quantum mind theory/idea is very intriguing. Thanks for the link. Will take some time to investigate.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:45 PM   #110
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That quantum mind theory/idea is very intriguing. Thanks for the link. Will take some time to investigate.
Bohm pretty ''out there''. fascinating to read, there are too few scientists willing to bridge the gap between science and philosophy. here another.

http://www.fdavidpeat.com/interviews/bohm.htm

u might also like this.

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In quantum mechanics, wave function collapse (also called collapse of the state vector or reduction of the wave packet) is the phenomenon in which a wave function—initially in a superposition of several different possible eigenstates—appears to reduce to a single one of those states after interaction with an observer. In simplified terms, it is the reduction of the physical possibilities into a single possibility as seen by an observer. It is one of two processes by which quantum systems evolve in time, according to the laws of quantum mechanics as presented by John von Neumann.[1] The reality of wave function collapse has always been debated, i.e., whether it is a fundamental physical phenomenon in its own right[2] or just an epiphenomenon of another process, such as quantum decoherence.[3] In recent decades the quantum decoherence view has gained popularity and is commonly taught at the graduate level (e.g. Cohen-Tannoudji's standard textbook[4]). Collapse may be understood as an update in a probabilistic model, given the observed result.

see the many worlds interpretation.
it like reality a seres of infinite events simultaneously collapsing in to the observed universe, i read another interpretation that says this collapsing ''wave'' is what gives rise to consciousness.

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Old 06-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #111
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It's the opposite of god.
Do you mean "dog"?
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #112
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Or you mean the guy who spat the name? and the people that governs the name?
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:12 PM   #113
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Still god the reverse.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:34 PM   #114
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The god particle has nothing to do with god.
sure they are; both are man-made


spinning 'anything' in hugenormous magnetic fields, will increase the energy.

Remember, the protons they are using are coming from a four foot tall (approximately) tank of liquid Hydrogen. The strip the electron and send the proton spinning.

That is what they are doing. Well that electron is still entangled to that proton, forever. And without identifying what is occuring with that electron, all bets are off.

Then to pass them protons thru and by fields of em (electromagnetism- electric and magnetic fields), they will capture an association to all of it.

they are creating their own toys but what benefit to mankind has been created from quarks, bosons or huggies, beside a load of poop and cool videos of simulations?

the science of building toys has been great, the use of the math for the particle paradigm, has been a waste of human resources
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #115
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Acording to quantum physics doesnt conciousness affect the outcome just by the act of watching? So wont they just find whatever they expect to find? There may be a god particle there may not be a god particle and both could be equally true and equally false. Personally im not fussed what they find.
Shhhhh.....don't mention the impact of consicousness on matter. "Scientists" don't want to think about it.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:49 PM   #116
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If I ever get a cat it's gonna be called schrodinger
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:35 PM   #117
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If I ever get a cat it's gonna be called schrodinger
and as true to nature, he/she will be both alive and dead; which time is the delayed answer but both true
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:32 PM   #118
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The god particle has nothing to do with god.
probably nothing to do with a particle either
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:49 PM   #119
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British researchers from the Large Hadron Collider at CERN have today (4th July 2012) confirmed that they have found a new particle consistent with the long-sought Higgs Boson. Speaking in London, Professor John Womersley of STFC confirmed the news.

These results mark a significant breakthrough in our understanding of the fundamental laws that govern the Universe.




Peter Higgs at CERN
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At a seminar held at CERN, the European Particle Physics Laboratory, this morning, the ATLAS and CMS experiments presented their latest results in the search for the Higgs particle. Both experiments see strong indications for the presence of a new particle in the mass region around 125- 126 GeV.

STFC Chief Executive, Professor John Womersley said:

“I’m delighted that we have indeed discovered a particle consistent with the Higgs boson! These results mark a significant breakthrough in our understanding of the fundamental laws that govern the Universe. Obviously having found a new particle, there is still much, much more to do at the LHC – we need to confirm that this new particle is the reason some particles have tangible mass while others are insubstantial, as proposed by Peter Higgs and other scientists, who predicted that a particle like this one must exist for our current understanding of the Universe to work.”

Thanks to the results coming from the two experiments, ATLAS and CMS, these preliminary findings appear to show a dramatic 5 sigma signal. If this is indeed a new particle, then it must be a boson and it would be the heaviest such particle ever found.

Speaking of the findings the Minister for Universities and Science David Willetts said:

“This news from CERN is a breakthrough in world science. The UK has made an enormous contribution over the last 20 years supporting the search for the Higgs Boson. Our researchers, universities and industry partners have been instrumental in making the Large Hadron Collider such a success. They deserve recognition for their contribution to this scientific milestone that will change the way we look at the universe from now on. And of course Professor Higgs of Edinburgh University has now secured his place in history.”

The UK is a world leader in particle physics and has played a central role in this research, from the theorists who formulated the model known as the Higgs mechanism, to the engineers and scientists who have designed, built and exploited the LHC – one of the most complex scientific instruments ever built.

Professor Tom Kibble CBE FRS, Emeritus Professor of Theoretical Physics at Imperial College London was one of the key people involved in proposing that the ‘Higgs’ boson existed. He said:

"It is very exciting to find that work I was involved in nearly fifty years ago is once more at the centre of attention. At the time, the Higgs boson did not seem a very significant feature of the theory, but it has become so as the last missing piece of the 'standard model'. Its discovery will complete a chapter, but not the story -- the model is amazingly successful, but many features remain to be explained."

“We have reached a milestone in our understanding of nature,” said CERN Director General Rolf Heuer. “The observation of a particle consistent with the Higgs boson opens the way to more detailed studies, requiring larger statistics, which will pin down the new particle’s properties, and is likely to shed light on other mysteries of our universe.”

The next step will be to determine the precise nature of the particle and its significance for our understanding of the universe. Are its properties just as expected for the Higgs boson predicted in 1964, the final missing ingredient in the Standard Model of particle physics? Or is it something more exotic? The Standard Model describes the fundamental particles from which we, and every visible thing in the universe, are made, and the forces acting between them. All the matter that we can see, however, appears to be no more than about 4% of the total. A more exotic version of the Higgs particle could be a bridge to understanding the 96% of the universe that remains obscure.

“It’s hard not to get excited by these results,” said CERN Research Director Sergio Bertolucci. “ We stated last year that in 2012 we would either find a new Higgs-like particle or exclude the existence of the Standard Model Higgs. With all the necessary caution, it looks to me that we are at a branching point: the observation of this new particle indicates the path for the future towards a more detailed understanding of what we’re seeing in the data.”

The results presented today are labelled preliminary. They are based on data collected in 2011 and 2012, with the 2012 data still under analysis. Publication of the analyses shown today is expected around the end of July. A more complete picture of today’s observations will emerge later this year after the LHC provides the experiments with more data.

Positive identification of the new particle’s characteristics will take considerable time and data. But whatever form the Higgs particle takes, our knowledge of the fundamental structure of matter is about to be enriched.

The STFC pays the UK contribution to the CERN budget as well as supporting UK participation in the four LHC experimental detector projects, including the Higgs boson detectors ATLAS and CMS. This investment, along with the more than 200 UK nationals employed by CERN and nearly 600 UK scientists regularly working at CERN has been a major contributor in enabling us to announce this discovery today.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:07 PM   #120
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This particle is accepted to have mass also.

Oh yes absolutely! ... you not wrong; it has massif costs truly for all those which have nothing from it.


I would say that's the only gravity it ever had to search for it......


Breakthrough in our understanding of the fundamental laws that govern the Universe. .....
Oh yes! ....
I know exactly what governs this universe without even searching for it! >> Its the usury Money from the slaves for more then 4000 years!!


The Higgs Boson is on the top of the pyramid = the true & only G-d there God's are looking & searching for!



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