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Old 05-02-2014, 01:27 PM   #21
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This is something that really amazes me; that people on this forum are still locked into that mindset.

Two sides, one coin. All doing their masters' bidding.
How does it manifest itself in real terms if it's so real ,
We can all identify labour or libdem attitude towards benifits and immigration and tory ukip attitudes ,

To say they are same makes no sense to me ,
They clearly aren't. And neither is the left wing
Idea of nationalising transport and housing
While the right want to govern private buisness

These are clear distinctions between two ideologise
At a principal level
I can see how sometimes the left and right wing might at times share common ground
On matters of crime prevention and education etc
But when it comes to separating state and private buisness
Tbey are poles apart just as tbey are on matters of human rights

Ukip wants the UK to ditch human rights
What left wing party wants to ditch human rights in the UK

What left wing party in the UK thinks cuts to nhs are good
Or that benifits reforms are good
It's ok to say these parties or ideologys are one and the same but where is the evidence ,
Labour is now blue labour everyone realises that since new labour came into being it abandoned the old school labour and singing the red flag
But at it's core is that socialist element
Albeit torn to shreds .
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:01 PM   #22
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I've just this minute taken delivery of the perception deception and without reading it. I'm already in awe of Icke for producing this massive tome. It is gigantic, seems too small a saying to convey that this is a big book! I just flicked through it and it is packed with illustrations and pictures. Ah well I suppose I better crack it open and start reading it. See you in a months time lol
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:21 PM   #23
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How's about a link to the sale of the book?
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:24 PM   #24
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How does it manifest itself in real terms if it's so real ,
We can all identify labour or libdem attitude towards benifits and immigration and tory ukip attitudes ,

To say they are same makes no sense to me ,
They clearly aren't. And neither is the left wing
Idea of nationalising transport and housing
While the right want to govern private buisness

These are clear distinctions between two ideologise
At a principal level
I can see how sometimes the left and right wing might at times share common ground
On matters of crime prevention and education etc
But when it comes to separating state and private buisness
Tbey are poles apart just as tbey are on matters of human rights

Ukip wants the UK to ditch human rights
What left wing party wants to ditch human rights in the UK

What left wing party in the UK thinks cuts to nhs are good
Or that benifits reforms are good
It's ok to say these parties or ideologys are one and the same but where is the evidence ,
Labour is now blue labour everyone realises that since new labour came into being it abandoned the old school labour and singing the red flag
But at it's core is that socialist element
Albeit torn to shreds .
this only makes sense if you believe politics is real.

If you actually believe politics is a charade and it doesn't matter to the people who are really in control who is in power, then the initial quote makes perfect sense.

perception deception 101.
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:25 PM   #25
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I was blown away by this statement on Perception Deception, Chapter 26: Archon Economics, Page 543,

''How many times do you hear, 'I would love to do this or that with my life, but I can't because I don't have the money'?

I found myself saying this exact statement more than a month before reading this. Synchronicity at work. Especially when I found myself wondering if it would be great if my hobby, drawing, would be something I could do all day without having to do a job to earn 'money' so that I could eat something. And yet I still have to pay goods and service tax and public transport (which is going to increase again in April) just to get to the location of work to do this job?

Yes, Mr Icke, it is indeed a mad world, and the Archons are gradually exterminating us.
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This is something that really amazes me; that people on this forum are still locked into that mindset.
Two sides, one coin. All doing their masters' bidding.
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:55 PM   #27
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Likewise, I know this is going to sound weird but he has nailed it for me on this book, it gets to me, the other books were fine and good but some bits just didn't sync with me. I'm not going to read more till I've went back over what has just blown me away.
Haven't had a chance to read it yet.

Going away for a few days soon and looking forward to reading it.

Reading a preview I love this quote:

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Awareness or Consciousness is the only state that truly exists. The only certainty is eternity
all the rest is what Consciousness chooses to create and experience within that eternity, that infinity

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Old 05-02-2014, 06:20 PM   #28
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This is something that really amazes me; that people on this forum are still locked into that mindset.

Two sides, one coin. All doing their masters' bidding.
And yet the theres post everyday about the evil tories, cameron, duncan smith, benefits, nhs, unions, strikes etc. It seems like everyone has forgotten that money doesn't grow on trees and the last government were in the process of trying to form a proper police state. They spent billions getting ready id cards, spent billions on publicity, spent billions on mindless rubbish, signed us other to the NWO EU etc. Now this government, which is basically the same as the last, comes in and people think its evil for making savings. Nobody actually knows what is wrong, the number non-solution appears to be spend more of other people's money.
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The biggest secret I read was handed down from about a 30 people before I got it, many of the signatures are in the front cover, so no money changed hands and brains were made aware, you see its not all about book sales is it.
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How does it manifest itself in real terms if it's so real ,
We can all identify labour or libdem attitude towards benifits and immigration and tory ukip attitudes ,

To say they are same makes no sense to me ,
They clearly aren't. And neither is the left wing
Idea of nationalising transport and housing
While the right want to govern private buisness

These are clear distinctions between two ideologise
At a principal level
I can see how sometimes the left and right wing might at times share common ground
On matters of crime prevention and education etc
But when it comes to separating state and private buisness
Tbey are poles apart just as tbey are on matters of human rights

Ukip wants the UK to ditch human rights
What left wing party wants to ditch human rights in the UK

What left wing party in the UK thinks cuts to nhs are good
Or that benifits reforms are good
It's ok to say these parties or ideologys are one and the same but where is the evidence ,
Labour is now blue labour everyone realises that since new labour came into being it abandoned the old school labour and singing the red flag
But at it's core is that socialist element
Albeit torn to shreds .
Tuition fees was a good one. No way they were ever gonna be reduced.

I like the way Doug Stanhope puts it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4

Basically they try to get you to identify with a particular side, which is entirely superficial and not actually based on your real-life experience. You start to say "We" when you actually mean "They", like some people who follow a particular sports team do. They aren't actually taking part in the match, just watching it, but they like to think they are.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:40 PM   #31
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How does it manifest itself in real terms if it's so real...
Found this while researching my fave topic and seemed relevant here...
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Return of Lord Oil Slick: Why has Cameron handed this Labour luvvie such a key job?

As his audience sipped wine after the speech and Lord Browne signed copies of Beyond Business, his decidedly one-sided and self-promoting autobiography, it was hard not to notice a swagger in the tycoon's figure.

For three years after ignominiously resigning from BP in a scandal following his admission that he had lied in court, Lord Browne knew that the Conservative Government was preparing to resurrect his tarnished career.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...e-key-job.html
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A former oil executive criticised for his role in the BP refinery explosion, and whose last company was fined over 50 health and safety violations connected with fracking, has been appointed to lead the government's Major Projects Authority.

John Manzoni, who has worked in the oil industry for 30 years, will be responsible for overseeing big-budget projects including the HS2 high-speed rail line and the new nuclear programme.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...2-john-manzoni
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:41 PM   #32
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It is all bollocks really. This is the most left wing website I've been on lol.
In order to create separatism there must be labels. Words that define the most extreme of a group. Once the label has been created it's applied in a negative manner to create division and hate.

Where before the label you had people with different ideas now you have labels that represent the most extreme of these lines of thinking. They become a verbal weapon. It's impossible to hate a group of people without labeling them.

So the media creates labels then uses the labels for the examples that create outrage. Once the labels are accepted the media begins to associate them with huge groups of people creating "sides".

Soon people begin hating other people under the umbrella of this label. The grey areas disappear. Either you are a ----------- or you are not. If you are a --------- then you are against what I believe, if you are not a --------- then I like you fine.

If we can begin to see people without ANY labels, just as people, as individuals and consciousness that hate will begin to go away.

Separate and control..... see the game being played? and we have been the unknowing players!
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Reading a preview I love this quote:

"Awareness or Consciousness is the only state that truly exists... "
I 'd like to contrast this with a quote from
Gary Renard's "Your Immortal reality":

"People think consciousness is really significant because we want what we made to be important.
So we glorify it and measure it and attach specialness to it when
it's really just a symbol of separation from our Source.
It's separation, because in order to have consciousness,
you have to have more than one thing. You have to have a subject and
an object. You have to have something else to be conscious of.
That's where twoness came from to replace oneness.
That's what makes the resulting symbolic illusory opposites,
polarities and dualities."


It is indeed all bollocks,consciousness included ...
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I 'd like to contrast this with a quote from
Gary Renard's "Your Immortal reality":

"People think consciousness is really significant because we want what we made to be important.
So we glorify it and measure it and attach specialness to it when
it's really just a symbol of separation from our Source.
It's separation, because in order to have consciousness,
you have to have more than one thing. You have to have a subject and
an object. You have to have something else to be conscious of.
That's where twoness came from to replace oneness.
That's what makes the resulting symbolic illusory opposites,
polarities and dualities."


It is indeed all bollocks,consciousness included ...
Don't understand that to be honest.

if you are not conscious, how can you be conscious its total bollocks.

I tried to read some of Gary Renard's books....and to be honest I got a bad vibe off them and
thought they were all bollocks. No offence.

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if you are not conscious, how can you be conscious its total bollocks.

I tried to read some of Gary Renard's books....and to be honest I got a bad vibe off them and
thought they were all bollocks. No offence.
None taken
Maybe Icke and Renard have a different definition of the word "Consciousness".
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I'd actually really like to see Icke and Renard have a chat on TPV. I think they'd actually get on really well and do well bouncing ideas off of each other
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The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound of extreme shifts in policy.
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I'd actually really like to see Icke and Renard have a chat on TPV. I think they'd actually get on really well and do well bouncing ideas off of each other
I have been to a Gary Renard talk when he was in Brugge in 2011,and I found him to be a quite likeable character,no bad vibes at all ...
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Old 27-02-2014, 01:31 PM   #39
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I recently purchased The Perception Deception. I found it difficult to put down and read the first half in a week. Mind blowing stuff. It has left so much resonance in the mind, I need a few days off, before continuing with the second half.
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It's quite a striking title ,"Its all bollocks, yes, all of it", isn't it?
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