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Old 07-12-2010, 02:17 PM   #21
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LOL

let them have a lean Christmas like the rest of us!

Yes also as a friend of mine said "a short rope and a tall tree"
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:20 AM   #22
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startling and informative.
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Old 14-12-2010, 11:09 PM   #23
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Here is something of great interest, I hope it fit in this forum

Controlled Water Supply!

An ominous report circulating in the Kremlin today is warning that the United States is preparing to execute a plan to begin the mass drugging of their citizens so as to achieve a ‘higher level of control’ over them as their elite rulers fear their Nation is close to erupting into civil war as their slide into the economic abyss continues unabated.

According to this report, President Obama has ordered his Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulators to begin establishing the ‘acceptable levels’ of drugs allowed into the US drinking water supply, which the Associated Press reported on last year warning that at least 51 million Americans were already being affected by minute concentrations of a multitude of dangerous drugs already existing in their supplies of this most critical of life sustaining needs for human beings.

But to the worst of these dangerous drugs soon to be regulated into the drinking water of these Americans, this report continues, is one of the most mind altering substances ever known called Lithium Salts which are a waste byproduct in the production of Lithium batteries deemed essential to freeing the US from its long dependency on oil, and are “used medically as a mood stabilizing drug, primarily in the treatment of bipolar disorder, where they have a role in the treatment of depression and particularly of mania, both acutely and in the long term.”

Most chillingly the US mainstream propaganda media has begun what this report states is an ‘advanced re-education’ campaign for the Lithium drugging of their population through their water supply by touting the supposed benefits for this mass drugging in its being able to lower their rates of suicide and depression.
Japanese researchers from Oita University in Japan had previously this past spring published their findings on Lithium in the British Journal of Psychiatry and stated in their report that the suicide rate was significantly lower in communities whose water contained larger amounts of this dangerous drug and leading other researchers to call for further study to consider the public health benefits of adding lithium to drinking water supplies like the Americans are now doing.

This report, however, states that the real truth behind the West’s and Japan’s ‘push’ to add Lithium to their citizens water supplies has nothing to do with the health of their citizens and more to do with these Nations ability to handle the massive amounts of toxic lithium waste from the Renault-Nissan lithium battery plants under construction in Smyrna, Tennessee (to supply all of North America), Portugal (to supply all of Europe), and Japan.
Note: Lithium is a soft, silver-white metal that belongs to the alkali metal group of chemical elements. It is represented by the symbol Li, and it has the atomic number three. Under standard conditions it is the lightest metal and the least dense solid element.

Worse still for the American people is that an FSB addendum to this reports states that the US has been ‘secretly’ adding large amounts of Lithium to their citizens drinking water supplies for nearly 18 years, and which they say has caused an ‘explosion’ of obesity, thyroid disease, and autism among Americans as lithium is known to be responsible for significant amounts of weight gain, thyroid destruction and child defects.

Interesting to note about these current events leading to the adding of the lithium drug to the American drinking water supply is that it exactly mirrors those which occurred last century when Oscar Ewing, lead counsel for ALCOA, the World’s largest aluminum producer and fluoride polluter, being appointed to the US government where he then ordered that America’s water supplies be ‘fluoridated’ with what is essentially a waste product used previously for the killing of rats, but is also one of the most potent mind altering-conditioning substances ever discovered and called the “Lunatic Drug”.

The use of fluoride in drinking water was pioneered by the Nazi Germans who found that by “mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride they were able to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission.” Also, United States Air Force Major George R. Jordan testified before Un-American Activity committees of Congress in the 1950’s that in his post as U.S.-Soviet liaison officer, the Soviets openly admitted to “using the fluoride in the water supplies in their gulags (concentration camps), to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient.”

This report further warns that the United States ‘plan’ to drug their entire population with Lithium is behind their move to Federalize every drop of water (including rain water) making it illegal for any of their citizens to use anything but ‘government approved’ water supplies, and which we had previously reported on in our May 8, 2009 report “Chilling New Law Gives US Government Ownership Of All Water In Nation”.

To the fears of the elite classes in the United States of their citizens openly revolting against them the evidence remains overwhelming as tens-of-millions of these peoples are forced into abject poverty while their political, propaganda media, banking and industrial barons continue to reap untold hundreds of billions of dollars in their continued effort to destroy their own Nation.
Even worse (and not just for Americans but for everyone in the World) are that American researchers from US universities UC Berkeley and Penn State are also now warning that “the wheels are already turning on Earth’s sixth mass extinction”, a most dire situation for which, once again, these people are showing no effort to either understand or attempt to stop.

So, and as millions of these Americans begin their Christmas Holiday celebrations, they continue to ignore what many experts warn will be the “Financial Armageddon of 2010” as our World runs out of food, but which with this new report becomes understandable because like the ‘sheeple’ they have become they wait for nothing more than to be led to the killing fields for slaughter while their drug filled minds are never quite comprehending what is truly happening to them.
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Old 15-12-2010, 11:32 AM   #24
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Any links Lastc ??

Very interesting read.
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Old 20-12-2010, 10:09 AM   #25
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Yes that lithium story is bad. Very bad. Probably needs its own thread though as it doesn't really fit into the chemotherapy story.

The elite will end up drinking that water too though, as it'll be used for everything like wine and beer production, and vegetable cooking water. Or will they somehow have their own pure supply?
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Old 20-12-2010, 04:52 PM   #26
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Yes that lithium story is bad. Very bad. Probably needs its own thread though as it doesn't really fit into the chemotherapy story.

The elite will end up drinking that water too though, as it'll be used for everything like wine and beer production, and vegetable cooking water. Or will they somehow have their own pure supply?
Hello Princess
There are a few ways to do away with the toxins in water, or anything else for that mater, one way is to filter it out, reverse osmosis, distillation... but there is another way, and it is to reverse the toxic chemical, I understand that if we shine a polarize light into a substance, the reflection will show the direction of the spin: the more toxic will have a left spin.
By reversing the spin to the right, the toxin will be rendered neutral, therefore, the toxin will still be present in an analysis, but the spin having been reversed, can no longer create damage in your biology
If you go on my web site: joshlifepillows.com you will see the devices there.
Those "Pillows" will neutralize the toxins in your water, in your food, if you ware it, it neutralize toxins in your blood
So with this, all the poisons that those parasites put in our food and water can be ignored, And we can concentrate on more important things....like making bread or cookies
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Old 15-01-2011, 11:56 AM   #27
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"Chemo is a toxin and bad for you". I hate it when people say this.

I'm not saying this applies to all cases but there are many where if you don't have chemo, the tumours will ravage your body and kill you. Chemo can in some cases literally melt tumours.

"Chemo is a toxin" - you could say that about any chemical or anything man-made. That's a headline worthy of The Sun or the Daily Wail.

Smarter people ought to look beneath the surface and really understand how chemo works, even on a basic cellular level.

Nearly everyone I know who slams chemo does not know what chemo is. They don't know the formula of chemicals. They don't understand how cancer metastasizes. They don't even understand that a tumour in the lung is not necessarily lung cancer. They don't understand the difference between primary and secondary tumours. They don't even know that there are many different types of tumour for the same cancer.

So when I hear these idiots claiming that "chemo=bad", I'm sorry - but they know NOTHING about cancer.

Chemo is not bad. It may be in some cases but it saves many, many lives, whether used as an adjuvant (preventative) treatment, whether used as a first line treatment or even as a last line treatment (high dose chemo).

Sometimes, skeptics are too skeptical for their own good that they reject what is true or good because they have been screwed over in every other aspect of life.

In some cancers, the mortality rate just 10 years ago was huge. Maybe 90%. Due to the discovery of a beneficial chemo regime, mortality rate is less than 5%. Now try telling me that chemo is killing these people. Is it f**k, it's saving their lives.
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Old 18-01-2011, 01:36 AM   #28
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"Chemo is a toxin and bad for you". I hate it when people say this.

I'm not saying this applies to all cases but there are many where if you don't have chemo, the tumours will ravage your body and kill you. Chemo can in some cases literally melt tumours.

"Chemo is a toxin" - you could say that about any chemical or anything man-made. That's a headline worthy of The Sun or the Daily Wail.

Smarter people ought to look beneath the surface and really understand how chemo works, even on a basic cellular level.

Nearly everyone I know who slams chemo does not know what chemo is. They don't know the formula of chemicals. They don't understand how cancer metastasizes. They don't even understand that a tumour in the lung is not necessarily lung cancer. They don't understand the difference between primary and secondary tumours. They don't even know that there are many different types of tumour for the same cancer.

So when I hear these idiots claiming that "chemo=bad", I'm sorry - but they know NOTHING about cancer.

Chemo is not bad. It may be in some cases but it saves many, many lives, whether used as an adjuvant (preventative) treatment, whether used as a first line treatment or even as a last line treatment (high dose chemo).

Sometimes, skeptics are too skeptical for their own good that they reject what is true or good because they have been screwed over in every other aspect of life.

In some cancers, the mortality rate just 10 years ago was huge. Maybe 90%. Due to the discovery of a beneficial chemo regime, mortality rate is less than 5%. Now try telling me that chemo is killing these people. Is it f**k, it's saving their lives.
Chemo is a toxin and it's bad for you. Those are facts. The theory behind chemotherapy is that the rapidly growing cancer cells will uptake the toxic substances faster than ordinary cells and thus die before ordinary cells do. It is one of the crudest methods of medical treatment in the civilized world, particularly so when much more effective techniques are available.

There is no chemo regime that has changed mortality of any cancer from 90% to less than 5%.

An adjuvant is not by definition a preventative treatment. Chemo is certainly not a preventative treatment.
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Old 18-01-2011, 12:59 PM   #29
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Chemo is a toxin and it's bad for you.
It is no more a toxin than any other man-made/synthesized substance. Everything man-made can be called toxic. Chemo is not inherently "bad for you". You could say that about almost anything man-made.

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Those are facts. The theory behind chemotherapy is that the rapidly growing cancer cells will uptake the toxic substances faster than ordinary cells and thus die before ordinary cells do. It is one of the crudest methods of medical treatment in the civilized world, particularly so when much more effective techniques are available.
It may be crude but it works. Show me a more effective technique that has withstood the test of randomised controlled trials and peer review. Not some mumbo jumo scam that is sold to people who are at Stage IV and have no other alternative.

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There is no chemo regime that has changed mortality of any cancer from 90% to less than 5%.
You clearly know nothing about cancer. Look up BEP/EP and how it has changed testicular cancer. What used to be a death sentence is now highly survivable. TC is considered the model for all cancer treatments because chemo is especially effective.

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An adjuvant is not by definition a preventative treatment. Chemo is certainly not a preventative treatment.
Of course it is! You need to check the dictionary. By definition it is an preventative treatment.

Chemo can be a preventative treatment. There are randomised controlled trials where it has been compared against doing nothing and the chances of cancer coming back are reduced. How can you deny such data?


You clearly, just like the average Joe, know nothing about cancer and like to spout conspiracy theories about it. Yet you provide no evidence whatsover and are in denial about the real evidence.
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Old 20-01-2011, 03:18 AM   #30
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"Always remember, if you suddenly find yourself labelled as a cancer patient; is the result of every single decision by your doctors going to provide them with the highest number of billable drugs and procedures in the shortest amount of time? Always ask that question first. Is it a coincidence? Just try looking at it from that perspective and see if you can put the pieces together. Your health, comfort, safety, overall long-term well being? Not usually factored in.

Then consider delaying biopsy until some visible perceptible health change warrants such an invasive and potentially carcinogenic procedure. What’s the worst that could happen by doing that? Few people die of cancer only; most die of cancer treatment. That’s the far greater danger, statistically.

If you have cancer, guess which system is the most important to you at this time, more than it’s ever been before in your whole life. Right – your immune system. Now guess which system suffers the most from chemotherapy and radiation. Right again. So the one time in your life you most need it, your immune system will be weakened by those therapies. That’s what the word cytotoxic means. As we will see, most people don’t die of cancer; they die from cancer treatment.

A study in Journal of the American Medical Association of 223 patients concluded that no treatment at all for prostate cancer actually was better than any standard chemotherapy, radiation or surgical procedure. (Johansson [41]) Unlikely the statistics would be any different today since the recommended procedures have not substantially changed."

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/cance...ancer-Patient/
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Old 23-01-2011, 08:14 PM   #31
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Then consider delaying biopsy until some visible perceptible health change warrants such an invasive and potentially carcinogenic procedure. What’s the worst that could happen by doing that? Few people die of cancer only; most die of cancer treatment. That’s the far greater danger, statistically.
An untrue statement. Show me the statistics.

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If you have cancer, guess which system is the most important to you at this time, more than it’s ever been before in your whole life. Right – your immune system. Now guess which system suffers the most from chemotherapy and radiation. Right again. So the one time in your life you most need it, your immune system will be weakened by those therapies. That’s what the word cytotoxic means.
All I see here is a pseudo-scientific leap of faith. You are making Joe Bloggs style scientific deductions that have no basis and say them as if they were fact.

The immune system cannot be called "the most important" - cancer is much more complex than that. You clearly have no idea of even basic cancer biology.

Your arguments are the type that shills use to con people for natural cures for cancer and other conditions.

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A study in Journal of the American Medical Association of 223 patients concluded that no treatment at all for prostate cancer actually was better than any standard chemotherapy, radiation or surgical procedure. (Johansson [41]) Unlikely the statistics would be any different today since the recommended procedures have not substantially changed."

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/cance...ancer-Patient/
Yes, this is the case for prostate cancer but this is a very unique cancer in this respect. 95%+ of all cancers are not like this:

- get when you are very old
- so slow in progressing that you are likely to die before it kills you
- treatment for elderly people has a higher risk of complications

One exception to the generality does not prove anything, least of all your original points.
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Old 23-01-2011, 08:18 PM   #32
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does this mean to say that 75% of physicians have cancer?
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Interesting e-book I plan to get. This guy was on Coast2CoastAM last night and spoke emphatically about alternative cancer treatments. On the website it states that 91% of the oconlogists surveyed would not submit themselves to the same procedure protocols prescribed to their patients. It also has a quote saying chemo has a 97% failure rate.

http://www.cancertruth.info/english.html/
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Interesting e-book I plan to get. This guy was on Coast2CoastAM last night and spoke emphatically about alternative cancer treatments. On the website it states that 91% of the oconlogists surveyed would not submit themselves to the same procedure protocols prescribed to their patients. It also has a quote saying chemo has a 97% failure rate.

http://www.cancertruth.info/english.html/
EDIT: EDIT. Re the answer from 'thenoseknows'; can we put this 'poll shows 80% of oncologists would refuse chemotherapy' claim to rest once and for all?

The facts are these. The poll was conducted at a single facility, McGill University in 1986. 118 onclogists were asked to imagine that they themselves had cancer, and were asked which of the six current trials at McGill they themselves would choose.

Of the 79 who responded, 64 (81%) said they would not consent to be in any trial containing cisplatin, a chemotherapy drug which had at the time been in use as a cancer treatment for about eight years.

An interesting and valid result - but a far cry from 'over 80% of doctors wouldn't choose chemo'.
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Thank you very much for posting this
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Old 28-03-2011, 08:50 AM   #36
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http://cancertutor.com/index.html

This site opened my eyes up to the different alternative cancer treatments available.

It discusses different types of cancers, the 4 stages of cancer and different types of treatments available.

It is a must for someone with cancer and anyone who has loved ones that have been diagnosed with it.
Interesting looking source will need to have a read later. I lost my dad to cancer/chemo or a blood clot in the lung just over 3 weeks ago. The official cause of death according to doctors was blood clot but I personally felt it was the chemo after the surgery that did all the damage and the more I read about it the more concerned I get as people like myself before looking into this believe chemo is the only solution.

I feel aggrieved that I did not do more research at the time but I accepted what I was told as anytime the doctors came they kept saying he was making great progress and everything was going smoothly. Plus I wouldn't have been popular in the family if I even suggested that the chemo after the surgery could be a mistake.

He always has been a positive man but the last few weeks before his death he was getting more tired and more depressed as time wore on. we were all just waiting for the light at the end of the tunnel as he was due for his last treatment the following week, My mum says a couple of weeks ago how he remarked one night he "was fucked and couldn't take anymore" this is very unlike him and up until last few weeks he was so upbeat and positive. It breaks me heart to think of what he was going through and him feeling a shadow of his former self as he was always took such pride in himself.
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A study in Journal of the American Medical Association of 223 patients concluded that no treatment at all for prostate cancer actually was better than any standard chemotherapy, radiation or surgical procedure. (Johansson [41]) Unlikely the statistics would be any different today since the recommended procedures have not substantially changed."
The above is a perfect example of "quote mining", that is slapping in a quote without any further research.

If you had bothered to do any research at all you would have read the paper written at the 20 year follow up stage by the same authors. I have added a couple of quotes from the paper but also the link so you can read an abstract. It actually shows the complete opposite from your ramblings. Why am I not surprised.

'The authors concluded, “Although most prostate cancers diagnosed at an early stage have indolent course, local tumor progression and aggressive metastatic disease may develop in the long term. These findings would support early radical treatment, notably among patients with an estimated life expectancy exceeding 15 years.”'

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1472835/

'In conclusion, the Johansson study certainly provides food for thought and will undoubtedly be interpreted as supporting early detection and aggressive management.'

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"75% of the physicians refuses chemotherapy "

The heading of the OP is just plain dishonest.

The survey was done in 1985 (25 years ago!) and was only about one particular type of chemotherapy, ciaplatin, and was in addition only about one particular type of lung cancer.

http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2...on-themselves/

How about another study from 1991 which if I quote mined (I won't) would show, in some types of cancer, up 97% of doctors would take chemotherapy.

http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2...on-themselves/

Rather than just extracting something that confirms your prejudices try actually reading the papers and you may then have something to pass on to people other than ill informed drivel.

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Old 01-09-2011, 01:23 AM   #39
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well, cancer is a bussiness, here in Uruguay, if you want to live you must pay 30.000 U$S each vaccine, its a medicine which cames from Venezuela. Now how can be that expensive? They want to reduce population, just if you have money you will live. If you dont have the 30.000 USD, . Chemotherapy
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Like I've mentioned before :

Movies About Cancer

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Healing Cancer World Summit ( registration and attendance is free )
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