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I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another. I want to ask people to at least consider the possibility that there's a connection between this and the various forms of spiritism that many people in the forum are involved in. Since many of these forms of spiritism (if not all of them) involve the person inviting these alien spirit beings to enter their lives, and even their very minds, then doesn't it stand to reason that these spirit beings are going to take people up on their invitations? And since these spirit beings are alien, in the sense that people can't positively identify the spirits they're opening themselves up to, then isn't it a possibility that these spirits are evil and only want to cause you harm?

I want to ask you all to please seriously consider the possible connection between any mental suffering you might be having to endure, and the spiritual practices you engage in.
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I haven't notice many people who suffer from mental illness. Have they told you they are?
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I haven't notice many people who suffer from mental illness. Have they told you they are?
Some have said it to me directly, others talk about it openly in the forum.
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Having worked in the mental health field...also studied at psychic institute. Many "mentally ill" people are just very sensitive psychically. Of course our culture denies these abilities and for those who cannot turn them off, they end up being diagnosed.

Having said that, there are a lot of sensitive people who are using substances to ameliorate their emotional pain. Particularly alcohol and yes, cannabis. This concerns me, because the more senstive we are, the less our spirits are actually grounded in our physical bodies. And substances do put us right out of our bodies, that's partially why we like them so much. But, then in come other energies or entities. It's very hard to create or even hold our own as sensitives in our bodies if we are getting high on a regular basis. Even this DMT, I think anything you use often will block your own capabilities eventually. And watch out for those drugs! You know who is bringing them in!
I found levels of euphoria, once I quit getting high, that I'd never experienced before. Yes it took time but it's worth it. Love, angel
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Let me tell you my story. I used to go to a spitrital church yonks ago, only getting the occasional reading everyone was very nice and friendly. I stopped going due to work commitments etc, In 2008 July I attended my daughters wedding in Winchester and had to stay in a hotel with my family, the first one was lovely and we spent 3 nights there but the 4th night we had to go to another in Andover I wont name the hotel, but this is what happened to me I am a nurse dealing with death on a daily bacis and have never been scared. I went to bed and awoke the next morning a completly different person afraid of my own shadow now this hotel was built in the 1400 hundreds and I would describe it a a little creepy but what the hell I had just seen my daughter married to a lovely guy and I never had to plan any of it they did it by them selves so for the next 12 months, I could not leave the house, was afraid to stay in my own home alone as I .did not know what I would do to myself any way I was diagnosed with bipolar in july of this year, and put on medication and now I am alright I can work and have no negitive thoughts. I dont know what happened but it scared me to the point of insanity.
Please be kind with your comments as I have realy never spoke about it before, but the OP wanted experiances
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Having worked in the mental health field...also studied at psychic institute. Many "mentally ill" people are just very sensitive psychically. Of course our culture denies these abilities and for those who cannot turn them off, they end up being diagnosed.

Having said that, there are a lot of sensitive people who are using substances to ameliorate their emotional pain. Particularly alcohol and yes, cannabis. This concerns me, because the more senstive we are, the less our spirits are actually grounded in our physical bodies. And substances do put us right out of our bodies, that's partially why we like them so much. But, then in come other energies or entities. It's very hard to create or even hold our own as sensitives in our bodies if we are getting high on a regular basis. Even this DMT, I think anything you use often will block your own capabilities eventually. And watch out for those drugs! You know who is bringing them in!
I found levels of euphoria, once I quit getting high, that I'd never experienced before. Yes it took time but it's worth it. Love, angel
You said, "Many mentally ill people are just very sensitive psychically".

I think this is a crucial question you presented. Is it that the people were "psychicially sensitive", and that made them more vulnerable to "mental illness"? Or it their pursuit of "psychic sensitivity" that led them to become "mentally ill"?

"Psychic ability" commonly involves consulting with alien spirits. So the person opens up that doorway, invites these spirits to come in, and then at some later time they begin to suffer from mental illness. But what if they had shut that door to begin with, and never opened it? How do we know they would have still ended up "mentally ill"?
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Hi 1964,
Thanks for posting the link. I am now going to ask my G.P. what he thinks of it. I can only speak for my self and since starting my medication I can now enjoy my life again and I am almost back to my old self, I can work socialise ,but before I had very bad thoughts about harming myself and ending it all, my poor partner and the one daughter that still lives with us thought they where going to lose me to this other person who was living with them ( me ) as my personality changed dramaticly and I did not care about any thing not even getting dressed or washing, I sat in my chair from I got up untill I went to bed never spoke and just shook the whole time dont know what the meds do but I am enjoying life once again. Please be kind with your comments as you all can imagine it has taken a lot for me to open up about this

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Let me tell you my story. I used to go to a spitrital church yonks ago, only getting the occasional reading everyone was very nice and friendly. I stopped going due to work commitments etc, In 2008 July I attended my daughters wedding in Winchester and had to stay in a hotel with my family, the first one was lovely and we spent 3 nights there but the 4th night we had to go to another in Andover I wont name the hotel, but this is what happened to me I am a nurse dealing with death on a daily bacis and have never been scared. I went to bed and awoke the next morning a completly different person afraid of my own shadow now this hotel was built in the 1400 hundreds and I would describe it a a little creepy but what the hell I had just seen my daughter married to a lovely guy and I never had to plan any of it they did it by them selves so for the next 12 months, I could not leave the house, was afraid to stay in my own home alone as I .did not know what I would do to myself any way I was diagnosed with bipolar in july of this year, and put on medication and now I am alright I can work and have no negitive thoughts. I dont know what happened but it scared me to the point of insanity.
Please be kind with your comments as I have realy never spoke about it before, but the OP wanted experiances
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I am so hoping, like you said, that if people join the thread to talk about this, everyone will remain kind and sensitive. I think it has to be approached honestly, but mental suffering is also one of the worst kinds of suffering there is.

Ok, so it sounds to me like what you experienced was a spiritual attack. And a severe one at that. And then as a "cure", the doctor put you on these medications and you say the medications worked. But, prior to the attack, you did have some involvement in spiritism. So it's still possible, then, that what I was saying in the OP is the cause of what happened: Perhaps it's when you opened this door to invite these alien spirits in, that's when they came in waiting for the time when they wanted to attack you. Maybe the setting they chose (the creepy hotel) just made it more 'fun' for them.

Here's the thing. I'm convinced, after everything I've seen and been through, that these "mental illnesses" are all spiritual in nature. And that only Christ has the power to protect a person against these evil spirits that attack people.

Now if what Christ has said is false, then your medications worked and you never need to worry about it again. But if Christ has told us the truth (which I believe He has), then this won't be the end of it. This is what I want people to know. When the medications don't work anymore, there's still reason to hope - His name is Jesus Christ.

What are you own feelings about it all? When all this happened to you, did you feel you were being attacked in some manner you couldn't describe? As in spiritually/mentally attacked? Or do you believe there's a medical explanation for it all?
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Hi 1964,
At the start I did think I had been attacked by a demonic being, but you know if you go about saying these things I was scared they would put me in a mental hospital I prayed daily to anyone who was listening, and you wont get me near any spirtal church again as these forces are not to be messed with thank you for starting this if I can help just one person from going through what I did then it will have been worth it and yes I now believe I was attacked by a demonic force.

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Ok so let's assume that you might be right - is there anything that can be done to drive out these demons.
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Ok so let's assume that you might be right - is there anything that can be done to drive out these demons.
It was by researching psychiatry, and then my own experiences with it, that I was eventually forced to wonder whether this was even a legitimate profession. I found no evidence to prove that it was, and have still found no evidence for it. And I'm someone who once wanted to be a psychiatrist. I fully believed this was a legitimate profession.

Next thing is, I witnessed it myself how Jesus Christ could instantly heal a person that doctors hadn't been able to cure. And that includes even me. That drove me to research psychiatry even more in-depth; and it drove me to think again about some of the things that Christ has said in Scripture .....

When we repent of our sins, we are born again. When we are born again, God promises us a spirit of courage and a sound mind. I thought, why would God promise people a "sound mind"? And courage?

I remembered how Salvation in Christ is called the "Helmet of Salvation". I thought, why a helmet? And I thought about what a helmet protects - it protects the head, which protects the mind.

I remembered how Jesus Christ said that this life, in this world, is a spiritual war. And how the devil works to lead people away from Christ, and deeper into sin, where they have no protection against the devil.

There's even a piece of Scripture that describes a particular kind of demonic possession, which happens to also describe the precise way that "schizophrenia" behaves.

In the end, the answer became obvious to me. Doctors had their explanation for "mental illness", and they couldn't really cure anyone. Jesus Christ also explains mental illness, telling us that it's spiritual in nature, and I saw how Christ could drive out demons and heal people instantaneously because even the demons believe there is one God, and they fear Him.

Here's a video I found for you. Please watch it to the end, whatever you think of it. I've met people who've lived through it. I've lived through it. Please watch it.

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Thank you that is incredibly beautiful.....and deeply unfashionable....my interpretation of demons as described in the gospels is that it is a term used then that people would understand but what we would now describe as "the shadow"/false selves....but what do I know...Jesus described them as demons and said that there was spiritual warfare and I happen to trust him. You have made me want to investigate this more, thank you.
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yes. you can actually drive them out of yourself with the help and guidance of a legitimate psychic healer.
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My neighbour is psychologically unbalanced and has frequent very loud and arguments with his wife and children.

After watching Stuart Swerdlow recently I have been psychically protecting the whole family.

Now they dio not argue or even raise voices any more.

There have been two occasions where I have forgotten to do this.

Both times an argument started - I could hear it through the walls.

I then used the protection and within a few minutes all was calm.

This is proof to me that psychic - somethings - are getting to this man.
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I've noticed how there's a high concentration of people in this forum who suffer from one "mental illness" or another. I want to ask people to at least consider the possibility that there's a connection between this and the various forms of spiritism that many people in the forum are involved in. Since many of these forms of spiritism (if not all of them) involve the person inviting these alien spirit beings to enter their lives, and even their very minds, then doesn't it stand to reason that these spirit beings are going to take people up on their invitations? And since these spirit beings are alien, in the sense that people can't positively identify the spirits they're opening themselves up to, then isn't it a possibility that these spirits are evil and only want to cause you harm?

I want to ask you all to please seriously consider the possible connection between any mental suffering you might be having to endure, and the spiritual practices you engage in.
I definitely believe that most mental illness and even some physical illness is the direct result of spirit attack. I would agree that there are cases where people involved in invoking spirits and channeling cause the spiritual issues they are experiencing (ie. the elite and religious leaders are a prime example of possession through involvement with entities). But there are many factors involving whether or not you will have issues with these spirits. These factors include genetics, vaccinations, drugs, emotions, living in areas of strong EMF like under power lines, alchohol, certain foods. I don't believe this is an issue of born again or not born again, although many spiritual instructions have been shown to us through holy scriptures which will help protect us from those beings. Spirits can be driven away from or attracted to things not related at all to religious beliefs (smells, music, stones, etc.) I know from experience that professed christians can drive themselves into exhaustion in unsuccessful exorcism attempts, and I have also seen christians possessed by demons themselves, which is something they assume they are immune from for the most part. I myself tried to pray away spirits with no success, only to find out later that it was the frequency of the room which was allowing them in. We have been given misunderstandings of the spirit world imo.

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Having worked in the mental health field...also studied at psychic institute. Many "mentally ill" people are just very sensitive psychically. Of course our culture denies these abilities and for those who cannot turn them off, they end up being diagnosed.

Having said that, there are a lot of sensitive people who are using substances to ameliorate their emotional pain. Particularly alcohol and yes, cannabis. This concerns me, because the more senstive we are, the less our spirits are actually grounded in our physical bodies. And substances do put us right out of our bodies, that's partially why we like them so much. But, then in come other energies or entities. It's very hard to create or even hold our own as sensitives in our bodies if we are getting high on a regular basis. Even this DMT, I think anything you use often will block your own capabilities eventually.
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I went to bed and awoke the next morning a completly different person afraid of my own shadow now this hotel was built in the 1400 hundreds and I would describe it a a little creepy but what the hell I had just seen my daughter married to a lovely guy and I never had to plan any of it they did it by them selves so for the next 12 months, I could not leave the house, was afraid to stay in my own home alone as I .did not know what I would do to myself any way I was diagnosed with bipolar in july of this year, and put on medication and now I am alright I can work and have no negitive thoughts. I dont know what happened but it scared me to the point of insanity.
Hello thanks for sharing your experience! The hotel you went to was most likely inhabited by spirits and perhaps even over an energetic hot spot. I deal a lot with this in my threads on the earths magnetic grid. There are some places where our physical dimension and the spiritual dimension stream into each other and we experience supernatural phenomena. Whether the hotel you experienced had an original or manufactured doorway, I can't say without seeing it on a map. But there are also rituals conducted to rip holes in our dimensions which allow spirits in at some locations, and the unsuspecting people to visit these locations end up being affected by the spirit world although they can't understand why. I study this field at great length, and the best guess i can offer for your experience based on what you've posted so far, is that the two events you mentioned (spiritual church readings and the hotel incident) are not all that related. I don't want to lead you astray on this though, if you know intuitively that the events were connected then I would trust your feelings more than my guess. It would help if you explained what was involved in the readings. For instance did the people conjure up spirits to answer questions? That would be my biggest question. I will address your other posts too.

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You said, "Many mentally ill people are just very sensitive psychically".

I think this is a crucial question you presented. Is it that the people were "psychicially sensitive", and that made them more vulnerable to "mental illness"? Or it their pursuit of "psychic sensitivity" that led them to become "mentally ill"?

"Psychic ability" commonly involves consulting with alien spirits. So the person opens up that doorway, invites these spirits to come in, and then at some later time they begin to suffer from mental illness. But what if they had shut that door to begin with, and never opened it? How do we know they would have still ended up "mentally ill"?
I understand where you're coming from 1964, but I can tell you from experience it does not necessarily work that way and i think that is a backwards assumption. IMO people don't have to open doorways for these things to get in, and not everyone even has the same ability to open doorways. But, it can happen that people interacting with spirits is what leads them into dark stuff and mental illnesses. Psychic ability and spirit interaction affects children all the time who have nothing to do with opening doorways, so we can't always blame people for the spiritual experiences they are having imo. Now it is a much different situation if people pursue communication with certain ETs first, then have mental illness as a result. Then you can logically say that it was a cause and effect situation. This is very risky business imo, and I have not involved myself in it because I am not confident I could distinguish between angels and demons in disguise. In regards to the people involved in it I am not sure they can distinguish either but that is not for me to say. I would consider my own psychic abilities to be natural-born and strong at some times, but it has never involved attempting communication with entities except for creator God.

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Hi Biblegirl,
Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. The meeting's I went to where the one's where a medium would come to you and say I have a spirit here who has a message for you sometime's they would describe my dad or other relation who has passed on so I thought they were o.k. I now know not to go near any of this as I dont fully understand it. Thanks again.

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The areas you're hitting on is where it starts to become a bit more complicated. A great number of the warnings given in Scripture aren't addressed to unbelievers, but to believers. Warnings against following a false gospel; and false spirits; and false Christs. All unrepentant sin will be judged by Christ on that day of Judgement, but not all sin will be judged equally. God is clear that it is a far greater crime to say we believe in Christ, but then to pervert the Word of God, than it is to never have believed in Him at all. Even the devils believe there is One God, and they tremble. Making it clear that it's not enough to simply believe.

So then a person who professes to believe in Christ, but who is attacked or troubled by the devil because they have either perverted the Word of God or because they've mingled God's Word together with various forms of spiritism and new age teachings, well then that person has their answer. They've done this very dangerous thing that Christ has warned them not to do. Since they haven't taken Christ at His Word, and they haven't believed His warnings, now they've gotten themselves into extreme danger with both God and the devil. They've done the identical thing the Antichrist does, giving the Antichrist authority over them; and now they're also in danger of God's Judgement and His wrath.

My point is this. We've learned to use the names of Christ and Christianity very liberally. But God, Himself, warns that it's not enough to simply believe. Simply calling oneself a "Christian" is not what protects a person against the devil. This explains why people who only profess to be Christians can still be so tormented by the devil. The devil isn't afraid of words, or what people choose to call themselves. He's afraid of Jesus Christ.

Now you also mentioned children as well. And that becomes even more complicated again. There are important questions to be asked when it's children who are being attacked by the devil and his demons. Beginning, first, with what are the adults involved in who surround these children? Evil and sin are powerful and far-reaching. If, as adults, we invite these things into our lives, then we not only endanger ourselves, but we also endanger the children God has gifted us with.

I agree with you that there are those instances where the devil tries to attack when he has no right to attack. The devil lives to destroy people. But it happens far, far more often that it's the people who live their lives in such a way that they hand the devil authority over their lives. In this forum alone, I've met many people who profess to believe in Jesus Christ. But so far, I've met only one person in the whole group who both professes to believe in Christ and who also follows the Word of God strictly. It doesn't surprise me, then, that many of these people are suffering the way Christ warned they would suffer. They profess to believe in Christ, and then they follow someone or something else.
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A lot of mental illness -- serious kind -- is due to abuse and neglect as a child. Whether this is demonic or physical is another thing, but the cause of the illnesss is rooted in child abuse. This is very much the cause.-- not spiritualism.

Spiritualism is neither good nor bad in itself, but depends on the use. Actaully it is considered "part of the process" of growing up spiritually, but not to be made much of.

Spiritual knowledge should not be discouraged.-- nor should spiritual ability. Most Children are very spiritually able. A lot of those immaginary friends are real. Making it known to Children that this is something adults are anti-thetical to is not a good idea.

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So then a person who professes to believe in Christ, but who is attacked or troubled by the devil because they have either perverted the Word of God or because they've mingled God's Word together with various forms of spiritism and new age teachings, well then that person has their answer. They've done this very dangerous thing that Christ has warned them not to do. Since they haven't taken Christ at His Word, and they haven't believed His warnings, now they've gotten themselves into extreme danger with both God and the devil. They've done the identical thing the Antichrist does, giving the Antichrist authority over them; and now they're also in danger of God's Judgement and His wrath.
I'm sorry if this is what you think of me, but i can say for certain that the part i bolded above did not in any way apply to the past incidents i posted about...i think job's story even clearly shows that innocent people are attacked by spirits for no apparent reason, simply because of what is going on in the higher dimensions...job did not pervert the word of god or mingle with spiritism, yet a heavenly dispute put entities into his life in a big way, to the point of physical illness and what some would probably classify mental illness (shaving your head and sitting in ashes while scraping yourself with pottery shards and crying).

Assuming most people with spiritual problems and mental illness are to blame for those things is just a misunderstanding i think. It's a lot of guesswork and assumptions trying to trace that one time someone might have been near a Ouija board and connecting it with anything paranormal they might experience later in life. It's because imo Christianity does not show people how the spiritual dimensions operate. It just allows for a few concepts like invisible angels and demons and heaven and hell, while leaving the rest to our imagination. As a child I was expected to live in complete ignorance on spiritual matters. Questioning or curiosity for how these things really worked was strictly forbidden, because it was better to be safe than sorry. Still, it's all in the bible imo. It contains golden information as far as esoteric things go, and I think you could find out most everything about the spirit world if you can read it without church influence and false doctrines.

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My point is this. We've learned to use the names of Christ and Christianity very liberally. But God, Himself, warns that it's not enough to simply believe. Simply calling oneself a "Christian" is not what protects a person against the devil. This explains why people who only profess to be Christians can still be so tormented by the devil. The devil isn't afraid of words, or what people choose to call themselves. He's afraid of Jesus Christ.
There are certain conditions for spirit attack and also certain conditions required to get rid of spirits. I do not think medications get rid of them, I think it just closes off certain spiritual senses of a person so that they can't hear/see them anymore. I do think certain smells, sounds, stones, etc. can get rid of them because they are not vibrationally compatible. For instance when Saul had issues with an evil spirit, the people looked for a musician to "cure" him. It didn't matter who the musician was, although it played a big part later....it mattered that the music gave off certain vibrations that the spirit didn't want to be around. There was a time in Mark 9 when the disciples were upset that they couldn't cast out an extraordinarily powerful demon. It didn't have to do with them not being christian enough or having enough faith, but they hadn't reached a certain spiritual capacity which requires prayer and fasting. Prayer and fasting will open up anyone to spiritually profound experiences. It enables them to get a better glimpse of reality so they know how spirits and humans interact. Fasting is not just about showing devotion to God. It's preparing your own mind and body for great spiritual things.

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Now you also mentioned children as well. And that becomes even more complicated again. There are important questions to be asked when it's children who are being attacked by the devil and his demons. Beginning, first, with what are the adults involved in who surround these children? Evil and sin are powerful and far-reaching. If, as adults, we invite these things into our lives, then we not only endanger ourselves, but we also endanger the children God has gifted us with.
IMO it doesn't have to be that someone, somewhere, had to be involved in evil for there to be these spiritual problems. I don't know if you believe in haunted houses, but these are a source of torment for innocent children and adults everywhere. The location is energetically contaminated. It doesn't have to mean that occult activity happened there at some point, although that does happens too. These places need to be spiritually cleansed, and until people are willing to find out how exactly the spiritual realm affects us, they will continue in frustration trying things that don't work to rid their house of the demons. Meanwhile the children are seeing and hearing spirit beings and it's certainly not their fault. But it's possible it will lead to them getting into dark stuff later in life because they know it's real, and that is the way they choose to handle it.

I'm just trying to show that there are so many factors involved in spiritual things. It's not as basic as being born again imo.

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I agree with you that there are those instances where the devil tries to attack when he has no right to attack. The devil lives to destroy people. But it happens far, far more often that it's the people who live their lives in such a way that they hand the devil authority over their lives. In this forum alone, I've met many people who profess to believe in Jesus Christ. But so far, I've met only one person in the whole group who both professes to believe in Christ and who also follows the Word of God strictly. It doesn't surprise me, then, that many of these people are suffering the way Christ warned they would suffer. They profess to believe in Christ, and then they follow someone or something else.
That's true that some people live their lives in such a way to attract spiritual abuse. I'm sorry to see anyone suffering. Please understand that I know where christianity is coming from, I just don't think it gives a (much needed) good explanation of what spiritual issues really are about.
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