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IMO, I find nothing spiritual in Freemasonry. It is more about mind control and a system of control by organizations above them.

This I find telling "Such a Fraternity could not immediately include all men, but it could unite the activities of certain kinds of men,"

Yes indeed, certain types, very easily influenced, mediocre, lacking spirituality.

NOTE: All the occult offsprings and other organizations from freemasonry (and that would be a list!) are all part of the same octopus or spider web of control and manipulation.

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IMO, I find nothing spiritual in Freemasonry. It is more about mind control and a system of control by organizations above them.

This I find telling "Such a Fraternity could not immediately include all men, but it could unite the activities of certain kinds of men,"

Yes indeed, certain types, very easily influenced, mediocre, lacking spirituality.

NOTE: All the occult offsprings and other organizations from freemasonry (and that would be a list!) are all part of the same octopus or spider web of control and manipulation.
Who are carefully vetted and match made with an Eastern star before they can go all the way to the dizzy height of control.

All leading universities are recruitment grounds for the best brains, why would this be I wonder, many NGO's are in the veritable hive of man.
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From The Secret Science of Masonic Initiation by Freemason Robert Lomas:
"The four parts of this circle are a reminder that the human organism is compounded of those four elements in balanced proportions. Water represents the psychic nature: Air, the mentality; Fire, the will and nervous force; whilst Earth is the material condensation in which the other three become stabilised and encased." - p. 77.

"The Fifth Kingdom is not a matter of time or place but a state of consciousness. It comes like a lightning strike moving from East to West. It is like the rays of the Bright Morning Star which, in the Masonic sense, unites our spiritual and material poles (the East representing our spirituality and the West our material and rational thinking." - p. 79-80.

"The triangles can be drawn with their apexes pointing upwards and downwards respectively. These were knkown in mediaeval Kabbalism as the trangles of fire and water respectively. Symbolically the triangle of fire refers to the spiritual nature, and the triangle of water to the mental or rational nature; interlaced, they show the spirit in perfect balance with the mind." - p. 81.

"This symbol shows the candidate simultaneously as a square - finite, material and form-fettered - and yet as potentially a Circle - spiritual, infinite and free... ...Square the Circle. (This is an occult expression signifying that deity, symbolised by the all-containing Circle, has attained form and manifestation in a Square or human spirit. It expresses the mystery of the Initiation within the individual spirit." - p. 82.

"The Perfect Cube represents the human mind brought to perfection in the natural order." - p. 83.

"Five upward steps lead from the First to the Second Degree. That is why we are told to lift our eyes to a bright Five-Pointed Star whose riding in ourselves brings peace and salvation. That is why it is possible to develop Five Points of Fellowship and self-identification, and why the number five recurs so prominently in our system." - p. 85.

"We have latent mental faculties in us, which the Craft teaches us to harness." - p. 93.
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Who are carefully vetted and match made with an Eastern star before they can go all the way to the dizzy height of control.
Except Eastern Star is co-ed group within Freemasonry and has no impact how one progresses through the various appendant and concordant bodies of Freemasonry. Also, the Eastern Star is not recognized in England. This demonstrates that you need to do more research into Freemasonry and how it is structured.
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Except Eastern Star is co-ed group within Freemasonry and has no impact how one progresses through the various appendant and concordant bodies of Freemasonry. Also, the Eastern Star is not recognized in England. This demonstrates that you need to do more research into Freemasonry and how it is structured.
I'm learning all the time kigs, but one common theme is extant, who benefits and why.

For further interest, seek out all the other controlled breeding programs today, firstly the Electi of the Mormon Church which I was once a member.

The Amish.

The Shakers.

The Quakers.

The Royals.

All of which have their own Varroa destructors within their hives.

And as I mentioned before, know I know your worthiness.

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Except Eastern Star is co-ed group within Freemasonry and has no impact how one progresses through the various appendant and concordant bodies of Freemasonry.
A co-ed group? I'd say gathering info on people, in many cases an entire community, amounts to a little bit more than that. How do you think all this info and gossip on the people is collected? Because the Grand Masters will often drive these old women Eastern Star members in and out of these hospitals for the supposed charity work they do and that's where they collect the data on everyone. Hospitals, community gatherings, pubs, local stores. It doesn't matter whether the Eastern Star is recognized in England or not. Data is still collected. I have personally known this to be done. That's why the police can come right to your door when something happens and you're standing there scratching your head wondering how they knew about it. It's because once all the data is collected by the Masons it's passed on to the police sergeant of the local area who stores it all in little files.
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A co-ed group? I'd say gathering info on people, in many cases an entire community, amounts to a little bit more than that. How do you think all this info and gossip on the people is collected?

Because the Grand Masters will often drive these old women Eastern Star members in and out of these hospitals for the supposed charity work they do and that's where they collect the data on everyone. Hospitals, community gatherings, pubs, local stores. It doesn't matter whether the Eastern Star is recognized in England or not.

Data is still collected. I have personally known this to be done. That's why the police can come right to your door when something happens and you're standing there scratching your head wondering how they knew about it. It's because once all the data is collected by the Masons it's passed on to the police sergeant of the local area who stores it all in little files.
It's called silent whispers.

The Easter star is chosen but still not allowed within proceedings, only a few times of year for a meal at their Inn.

If women were allowed to join in on the "boning in" as it's known in the masonry of the stones, or preparing of the first flat surface of a corner stone, things would be altogether different today.

It's best to be completely open and conspicuous then there can be nothing to hide from.
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From The Secret Science of Masonic Initiation by Freemason Robert Lomas:
"The four parts of this circle are a reminder that the human organism is compounded of those four elements in balanced proportions. Water represents the psychic nature: Air, the mentality; Fire, the will and nervous force; whilst Earth is the material condensation in which the other three become stabilised and encased." - p. 77.

"The Fifth Kingdom is not a matter of time or place but a state of consciousness. It comes like a lightning strike moving from East to West. It is like the rays of the Bright Morning Star which, in the Masonic sense, unites our spiritual and material poles (the East representing our spirituality and the West our material and rational thinking." - p. 79-80.

"The triangles can be drawn with their apexes pointing upwards and downwards respectively. These were knkown in mediaeval Kabbalism as the trangles of fire and water respectively. Symbolically the triangle of fire refers to the spiritual nature, and the triangle of water to the mental or rational nature; interlaced, they show the spirit in perfect balance with the mind." - p. 81.

"This symbol shows the candidate simultaneously as a square - finite, material and form-fettered - and yet as potentially a Circle - spiritual, infinite and free... ...Square the Circle. (This is an occult expression signifying that deity, symbolised by the all-containing Circle, has attained form and manifestation in a Square or human spirit. It expresses the mystery of the Initiation within the individual spirit." - p. 82.

"The Perfect Cube represents the human mind brought to perfection in the natural order." - p. 83.

"Five upward steps lead from the First to the Second Degree. That is why we are told to lift our eyes to a bright Five-Pointed Star whose riding in ourselves brings peace and salvation. That is why it is possible to develop Five Points of Fellowship and self-identification, and why the number five recurs so prominently in our system." - p. 85.

"We have latent mental faculties in us, which the Craft teaches us to harness." - p. 93.
Those four elements that Taylor mentions. I N R I

Iumi
Nour
Ruach
Iebeschal

Squaring the circle or mind comes from the Mortar Board aloft the head at graduation, here the mind is not being perfected but programmed and on many different levels.

If you see where Vitruvian Wo-Man stands you see perfection, it is an hermaphrodite showing the male part in front.

In the inner portico, they believe that God will eventually come from Man, not Woman, this is why women are chosen, not found for a mate, where in nature it is the women who holds the keys to the natural heaven, and the males who does the displaying, see the Peacock in all his glory, there are two in front of the Vatican.

There is now enough evidence to show how the right and title of the female is being dismantled by encouraging them not to have children, and men to be he.she.

Palace Athens stands in charge aloft the most powerful nation on earth, with the motto, out of many there shall be one, E Pluribus Unum.

It's what is called hemaphroditic in thinking and in being.

Sh.E, has other cousins looking out overy the kingdom, Liberty is another.

It is so plain to see.

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It's called silent whispers.

The Easter star is chosen but still not allowed within proceedings, only a few times of year for a meal at their Inn.

If women were allowed to join in on the "boning in" as it's known in the masonry of the stones, or preparing of the first flat surface of a corner stone, things would be altogether different today.

It's best to be completely open and conspicuous then there can be nothing to hide from.
Yes. According to Freemasonry itself only man is capable of receiving spirit and only man has spirit. Women can't. The Masons say that a woman can only reflect her husbands glory. So they give off these side degrees to the women. Theosophy for instance got the women in and was given a charter as a Masonic institution, but women can't get all the secrets. They don't believe women should have access to the secrets. It's all very sexist.
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Yes. According to Freemasonry itself only man is capable of receiving spirit and only man has spirit. Women can't. The Masons say that a woman can only reflect her husbands glory. So they give off these side degrees to the women. Theosophy for instance got the women in and was given a charter as a Masonic institution, but women can't get all the secrets. They don't believe women should have access to the secrets. It's all very sexist.
If I was a women I would be cutting up my husband parifinalia as we speak, in this so called global consciousness things simply won't work as long as we have secret societies.
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Freemasons. What do you really serve. Do you know? Do you even care?

Misguided fools. What you serve you would not wish to know by the light of day.

You would tremble before it.

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Freemasons. What do you really serve. Do you know? Do you even care?

Misguided fools. What you serve you would not wish to know by the light of day.

You would tremble before it.

Fools.
I would not vent my direct anger towards masonry, but let them know that the Mysteries they are baptized into during their walk into their world of darkness is yet another control system that outweighs their own spirituality, the one we were all born with, and that is the knowing the difference between right and wrong.

The best wisdom I have heard is this one, right at the end of the film at 23.50 onwards, but he fails to say that everything they know can be passed to others before they do die, and herein lies our future comforts and link with nature and it's rawness.

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A co-ed group?
Yes. The Eastern Star is a co-ed group.

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I'd say gathering info on people, in many cases an entire community, amounts to a little bit more than that.
This has nothing to do with the purpose and mission of the Order of the Eastern Star.

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How do you think all this info and gossip on the people is collected?
What info and gossip are you talking about?

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Because the Grand Masters will often drive these old women Eastern Star members in and out of these hospitals for the supposed charity work they do and that's where they collect the data on everyone.
You have quite the imagination.

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It doesn't matter whether the Eastern Star is recognized in England or not.
Actually it does.

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Data is still collected.
Not by us.

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I have personally known this to be done.
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That's why the police can come right to your door when something happens and you're standing there scratching your head wondering how they knew about it. It's because once all the data is collected by the Masons it's passed on to the police sergeant of the local area who stores it all in little files.
No it's not.

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In the inner portico, they believe that God will eventually come from Man...
Where in Freemasonry is this taught?

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Yes. According to Freemasonry itself only man is capable of receiving spirit and only man has spirit. Women can't.
Where in our rituals does it state that?

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The Masons say that a woman can only reflect her husbands glory.
Where do we say that?

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Theosophy for instance got the women in and was given a charter as a Masonic institution, but women can't get all the secrets.
Who gave such a charter?

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It's all very sexist.
According to you.

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Freemasons. What do you really serve. Do you know? Do you even care?

Misguided fools. What you serve you would not wish to know by the light of day.

You would tremble before it.

Fools.
Yes we know. Yes we care.
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Here is the light of wisdom coming through the male to the women, an Eastern Star trapped between here husband and Hiram, this is how the esoterics were portrayed and never talked about directly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt...ontispiece.jpg

A late friend of mine was schooled alongside the Rothschild's at Leys in Cambridge in the fifties, he frequently visited Hampshire during those years, on one occasion he remember sitting on Victors knee and remembers Victor asking him this question.

He said, do you know why women make the best spies, because they always keep diaries and want to know all about you, this was a warning to him as a child to be careful of who was chosen for him at a later date.

One has to see Michaelangeo's Cybele of Tarquin, Liberty, Athena to know they are not women but Hermaphrodites, and masonic parlance, one does not need documentation to know the thought of those who promoted them from Greek antiquity and beyond.

Not very long ago scientists experimented on a male patient to see if they could get a full term birth, this was done on the case of a lady who had just had an hysterectomy, and then became with child. The result was the egg had become fertile and then embedded itself onto the abdominal cavity and began developing.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy

http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/malepreg.asp

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What info and gossip are you talking about?
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The gossip on the people, on the community. They would send people into the bars to eavesdrop on what the people were discussing and what was getting their backs up basically. Data was collected even down to what dog you owned, or what kind of beer is popular. But the public weren't allowed to know this that they had people placed into every little village and town collecting the data on them. The Eastern Star was actually famous for this. And we see some allegory of it in the great film They Live from the 80s i.e these people living among you but who really are not like you at all.

Dossiers are made up of this data and passed over to the police guy in charge in the local area who's always a Mason and he will that store that in files. This collecting of information, It's been going on for 50-60 years. Why do you think the police can just come right to your front door and have all this information on you that you were not aware of?
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Who gave such a charter?
It was Blavatsky actually that was given the charter (the first for females) and the job of creating this 'new religion'. She even said that herself that her job was to blend all these Eastern (Indian) Religions with the West, and the ultimate goal was to blend spirit with science. In her time they really believed in science, they really believed these scientists would become god-like figures. The goal of complete and absolute atheism hasn't changed much.
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It was Blavatsky actually that was given the charter (the first for females) and the job of creating this 'new religion'. She even said that herself that her job was to blend all these Eastern (Indian) Religions with the West, and the ultimate goal was to blend spirit with science. In her time they really believed in science, they really believed these scientists would become god-like figures. The goal of complete and absolute atheism hasn't changed much.
All of the isms and ologies are funded by the elite jack, some for the osophies as well.

Blavatsky, Marks, Watts, Russell and the whole of science are no different than they were in the era of Malthus, many were masons, and who controls the lower ruling classes, by their worker bees and varroa drones.

Quantum is merely the new relativity, all theories and all made up like religions as they go.

While nature thrives and smiles.

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Yes we know. Yes we care.
Let's assume that the vast majority of Masons are normal, everyday people who have nothing to do with a global conspiracy and are often involved in charity work and whatnot. I would agree that this seems to be true for the most part. My doctor is a 32 degree Mason who is a very nice person and seems to have little knowledge of the conspiracy world. I have this question, then:

Why wont Masons come out and explain to non-Masons the meaning of the fairly clear occult symbolism involved in the events of 9/11?

This doesnt mean that 9/11 was a Masonic conspiracy, and I would agree that there are a lot of wacky and incorrect interpretations out there regarding 9/11's occult meaning. The two pillars/columns are not exclusive to Masonry, though. You know this. You appear to be studying Tarot. What this means is that those behind the event incorporated this symbolism which Masons should be able to decipher and then let the rest of us know something is wrong with the story we were told about terrorists hitting the towers with planes.

Why are Masons not incredibly eager to let the rest of the world know something is up with the mainstream 9/11 story?





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Let's assume that the vast majority of Masons are normal, everyday people who have nothing to do with a global conspiracy and are often involved in charity work and whatnot. I would agree that this seems to be true for the most part. My doctor is a 32 degree Mason who is a very nice person and seems to have little knowledge of the conspiracy world. I have this question, then:

Why wont Masons come out and explain to non-Masons the meaning of the fairly clear occult symbolism involved in the events of 9/11?

This doesnt mean that 9/11 was a Masonic conspiracy, and I would agree that there are a lot of wacky and incorrect interpretations out there regarding 9/11's occult meaning. The two pillars/columns are not exclusive to Masonry, though. You know this. You appear to be studying Tarot. What this means is that those behind the event incorporated this symbolism which Masons should be able to decipher and then let the rest of us know something is wrong with the story we were told about terrorists hitting the towers with planes.

Why are Masons not incredibly eager to let the rest of the world know something is up with the mainstream 9/11 story?





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The gossip on the people, on the community. They would send people into the bars to eavesdrop on what the people were discussing and what was getting their backs up basically. Data was collected even down to what dog you owned, or what kind of beer is popular. But the public weren't allowed to know this that they had people placed into every little village and town collecting the data on them. The Eastern Star was actually famous for this. And we see some allegory of it in the great film They Live from the 80s i.e these people living among you but who really are not like you at all.

Dossiers are made up of this data and passed over to the police guy in charge in the local area who's always a Mason and he will that store that in files. This collecting of information, It's been going on for 50-60 years. Why do you think the police can just come right to your front door and have all this information on you that you were not aware of?
Yeah...none of what you said here is true about the Eastern Star.

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It was Blavatsky actually that was given the charter (the first for females) and the job of creating this 'new religion'. She even said that herself that her job was to blend all these Eastern (Indian) Religions with the West, and the ultimate goal was to blend spirit with science. In her time they really believed in science, they really believed these scientists would become god-like figures. The goal of complete and absolute atheism hasn't changed much.
From who? What Masonic body gave her a charter?

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Because Freemasonry had nothing to do with 9/11.

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