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Taser Abuse in the United States

Since June 2001, more than 351 individuals in the United States have died after being shocked by police Tasers. Most of those individuals were not carrying a weapon. Amnesty International is concerned that Tasers are being used as tools of routine force -- rather than as an alternative to firearms.

Medical studies so far on the effects of Tasers have either been limited in scope or unduly influenced by the weapons' primary manufacturer. No study has adequately examined the impact of Tasers on potentially at-risk individuals -- people who have medical conditions, take prescription medications, are mentally ill or are under the influence of narcotics. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed to determine what role Tasers may have played in the 351 deaths and to determine appropriate guidelines for future Taser use.

Given the unresolved safety concerns, Amnesty International recommends that police departments either suspend the use of Tasers and stun guns pending further safety research or limit their use to situations where officers would otherwise be justified in resorting to firearms.



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Tasers: Increased deployment marks the start of a slippery slope

Posted: 31 August 2007

Amnesty International today (31 August) expressed grave concern at the wider deployment of Taser electro-shock weapons to police officers in ten forces across the UK which are taking part in a pilot 12-month trial expected to start on Saturday 1 September.

Up until now Taser electro-shock weapons have only been used by specialist firearms officers and only as an alternative to lethal force. From 1 September, other police units will be armed with Tasers and will be able to use the weapons in a wider set of circumstances.

Stun guns are potentially lethal electrical weapons. The pistol shaped weapon delivers 50,000 volts of electricity into a person's body. The result is excruciatingly painful, causing a person to fall to the ground and, at times, lose control of their bodily functions.

Amnesty International's Arms Programme Director, Oliver Sprague said:

'We're worried that this could be the start of a slippery slope - towards further arming of the police, or towards a situation like that in the US where Tasers have been widely misused and people have died.

'Because these weapons are potentially lethal, police officers must be trained to the same high standard as they are for using a firearm, receiving intensive, ongoing training to ensure that they only use these dangerous weapons in the right situations.'

Since 2001 Amnesty International has found that more than 220 people have died after being shot with Tasers in the US. In many of these cases, the coroner listed the use of the Taser as contributory factor or indeed a direct link to the death.

Amnesty International believes that Tasers can only be used if:

* Tasers are only used as an alternative to lethal force where situation presents an immediate threat of death or serious injury to officers or others
* Officers carrying Tasers are trained to firearms standards on an ongoing basis
* Roll-out is highly restricted and then only to specially trained officers
* he Home Office has demonstrated how the use of Taser will be consistent with its obligations under international human rights guidelines and what policies and procedures are in place to prevent misuse of electro-shock weapons.

As far as Amnesty International is aware, none of these things has been spelt out and therefore Amnesty continues to oppose widespread deployment beyond the current policy of Specialist Firearms Officers.

Oliver Sprague continued:

'The UK police force has always prided itself on policing by consent and not by force. This move to arm more police officers with Tasers is moving the UK force further and further away from this culture.

'The police absolutely have a duty to protect themselves and the community at large from violent situations, but arming more officers with dangerous weapons without the rigorous training and safeguards that's needed may not be the best solution.'


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Examples from the US:


Example from the UK:

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I remember watching a programme in the 70's about tasers, they said they needed a new weapon to tackle the growing numbers of PCP users. The police were being attacked by people after they were shot 6 or 7 times for being violent nutters in the high street. So they invent the taser from cattle prods. Now this I have no problem with, instead of shoot someone dead whilst on PCP or accidently hitting the public, use a taser, but that's how they get the public to agree, then they abuse our support. To shoot someone not on angel dust with a taser is disgusting and should be against human rights.
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I remember watching a programme in the 70's about tasers, they said they needed a new weapon to tackle the growing numbers of PCP users. The police were being attacked by people after they were shot 6 or 7 times for being violent nutters in the high street. So they invent the taser from cattle prods. Now this I have no problem with, instead of shoot someone dead whilst on PCP or accidently hitting the public, use a taser, but that's how they get the public to agree, then they abuse our support. To shoot someone not on angel dust with a taser is disgusting and should be against human rights.
Exactly, the tasers are currently being used as a means of punishment (or torture) for non-compliance, instead of an alternative method to firearms (which was its original purpose).

Besides, think of the other consequences of using tasers:
  • They leave no wounds or marks, so it would be difficult to prosecute an officer abusing its use (or misuse)
  • They can also be used in police station (or elsewhere) as the perfect tool for torture
  • They can even be used to kill someone, in extreme cases, and blame it on the device or the victim's health (for example: two officer tasering at a time would be a lethal 100,000 volts)
  • And God know what else...

This has to be stopped before we reach the 350 death toll by police tasers in the US.

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I believe the police should be respected, but how can you respect a violent thug in combat outfit.
They shouldn't even handcuff you, you're innocent until proven guilty.
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I believe the police should be respected, but how can you respect a violent thug in combat outfit.
They shouldn't even handcuff you, you're innocent until proven guilty.
That's a good point; since most of these people wrongly think they are out there to administer the law (instead of simply serving it)

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Default A disgusting video (again)

If any of you still thinks that these nazi pigs have the right to torture this boy repeatedly, just because he doesn't comply; just let you know that I hope one day you and your kids get a full dose of your own medicine (honestly).

Watch these two bastards tasering this handcuffed boy once and again while he agonises (I just watched until the 4th shock, but they probably continued tasering him when I stopped the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayvrq...layer_embedded

This is disgusting, and has to be stopped now!!!

Here is the full story:
Taser Abuse- Caught on tape

Think all those ECSO taser incidents were uncalled for? Check this out.

On tuesday night, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a UCLA student, was in one of the school’s libraries at about 11:30pm. During a random sweep by some of the university’s community service officers to make sure all persons using the library at the late hour were students, Mostafa realized he had forgotten his BruinCard, the school’s identification card. With no other way to prove he was a student, he was asked to leave. When he did not immediately leave the library, University Police were called.

What followed was captured on video and is on the daily bruin’s website, as well as on YouTube. Mostafa can be heard screaming “Don’t touch me!!!” as he was trying to leave, and was subsequently handcuffed for not leaving the library in a timely manner. He started talking about the patriot act, and how they (the police) could just do what they want. At that time, he refused to walk out with the police, and was tased, while in handcuffs. Students can be heard pleading with the police, one girl in tears screaming, “This is so wrong, don’t do that, PLEASE!!” This happened three more times throughout the video, all while the suspect (if you want to call him that, what would the charge be? Reading without a license?) was in handcuffs, and what’s more, they did this in front of over 100 student witnesses. When the students started asking for the badge numbers of the officers involved, you can hear an officer on the tape say “if you don’t want to get tased too, you’d better get back.”

We know this scene all too well in Pensacola. Officers that would have just picked him up and carried him out 20 years ago now just pulling the trigger and sending 50,000 potentially deadly volts through him multiple times, while he is in handcuffs.

Source: Taser Abuse- Caught on tape (Better save our city)

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TASERS KILL
Despite manufacturer's label of "less-lethal," tasers have been involved in close to 250 deaths. [This figure is currently up to 370 in the US and Canada]

TASERS INCREASE DANGER TO PUBLIC, NOT DECREASE IT
Despite police claims that tasers reduce injuries and save lives by providing officers with an alternative to using their firearms or batons, independent studies conclude that tasers are mostly used in situations where police use of lethal force – or even batons, sprays, or hand controls – would never be justified. This means that tasers actually increase the amount of danger to the public, not decrease it. Electro-shock weapons are particularly open to abuse as they can inflict severe pain at the push of a button without leaving substantial marks. Police often subject targets to multiple taser shocks, even while in restraints and often use them against people posing no physical threat, such as against non-violent protesters or simply anyone they perceive to not be heeding a verbal command. Other studies have shown that suspect deaths by gun, or suspect and police injuries have not decreased.

EVEN POLICE ARE SUING TASER
Taser International is being sued by police officers across the nation claiming they were seriously injured after being shocked with the electronic stun gun during training classes. Injuries listed included "painful, permanent and progressive" hearing and vision loss and neurological damage, multiple spinal fractures, burns, a shoulder dislocation and soft-tissue injuries. Many lawsuits, including a few class action suits, have been filed from victims and victim's families for wrongful tasering or death, although Taser, Int. has managed to get many thrown out via legal loopholes.

ORGS CALL FOR BAN
Civil-rights organizations including Amnesty International and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and civil liberty groups including the ACLU of Texas call for moratoriums on their use until independent hard evidence is shown that they are safe, and liken the weapon to a tool of torture. Other community groups and organizations such as various ACLU affiliates promote policy restrictions through local or state legislation. Some cities/localities are curbing or restricting use on their own such as Chicago (they have 300 on the streets compared to Houston's 3,700) or Pflugerville, TX (not using them until the costly "TaserCams" were purchased for better accountability), and some have refused to purchase them altogether for fear of liability and worsening already-negative community relations.

MEDICALLY AND SCIENTIFICALLY UNSOUND
There continues to be a lack of rigorous, independent testing of their medical effects. Amnesty International is calling on US state, federal and local authorities to suspend all transfers and use of tasers and other electro-shock weapons pending a rigorous, independent inquiry into their use and effects. Such an inquiry must be carried out by acknowledged medical, scientific, legal and law enforcement experts who are independent of commercial and political interests in promoting such equipment. Some 'independent' studies that exonerate the weapon have been shown to have ties to Taser, Int.. The US Department of Justice is in the midst of a 2-year comprehensive study that will likely shed some light. At the crux of this debate is that the weapon delivers electroshock directly to the central nervous system via the darts/needle delivery method vs. on the skin/across the grounded body and there is very little information available about the effects of electricity on the brain/nervous system.

CORRUPTION
Taser, Int. stays afloat despite the dead bodies and broad criticism primarily due to taking advantage of many layers of systematic corruption in play long before Tasers. Overly strong local law enforcement associations undermining the community's ability to "police the police" have led to many conflicts of interest such as with county medical examiners who wrongfully rule deaths of persons in police custody to avoid implicating police. Coroners rule many deaths as solely attributed to secondary factors such as drugs, and even going so far to specifically exclude the taser as a possible contributing factor (a brave few HAVE implicated the taser, however, ruling the death as a "homocide"). The new non-medically-recognized catch term, "excited delirium," is being logged as cause of death in many cases (taser and otherwise), suggesting a breach of professionalism as never before. In the judicial system which rarely holds law enforcement accountable, Taser, Int. is breaking ground in filing lawsuits against entities that have published critical medical reviews or conducted critical studies, resulting in a recent chilling effect on the medical and scientific community. Meanwhile, they have embarked on a campaign to meet with and intimidate activists and critical lawmakers as well.

Source: Taser Factsheet (STAT! – Stop Taser Abuse Today)
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...is disgusting and should be against human rights.
Actually, it is against human rights!!!

The Human Rights Act 1998 gives further legal effect in the UK to the fundamental rights and freedoms contained in the European Convention on Human Rights. These rights not only impact matters of life and death, they also affect the rights you have in your everyday life.

Certain rights – such as the right not to be tortured – can never be limited by a court or anybody else.

Your human rights are:
  • the right to life
  • freedom from torture and degrading treatment
  • freedom from slavery and forced labour
  • the right to liberty
  • the right to a fair trial
  • the right not to be punished for something that wasn't a crime when you did it
  • the right to respect for private and family life
  • freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and freedom to express your beliefs
  • freedom of expression
  • freedom of assembly and association
  • the right to marry and to start a family
  • the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights and freedoms
  • the right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
  • the right to an education
  • the right to participate in free elections
  • the right not to be subjected to the death penalty
If any of these rights and freedoms are breached, you have a right to an effective solution in law, even if the breach was by someone in authority, such as, for example, a police officer.

Being tasered by a police officer, just for not complying with him, is against the human rights act of 1998, as:
  • He can kill you with a taser (350 people already died in the US)
  • Being tasered is degradating
  • Being tasered is a cruel form of torture
  • And, you are being punished for something that is not even a crime
Are you interested in fighting for your (and other's) human rights: sign not the petition against any police officers carrying tasers at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/EndTasers/

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Default Consequences of the use of tasers

According to Amnesty International, the use of tasers have the following consequences:
  • Tasers are promoted as a safer alternative than firearms or impact weapons when dealing with dangerous suspects. However, in practice they are used as a routine force tool against people who do not pose a serious threat. They are frequently used in situations where use of firearms, or even batons, would never be justified.
  • There have been numerous reports of police using tasers inappropriately and abusively, including multiple discharges, and in conjunction with pepper spray and restraint holds which dangerously restrict breathing and carry a risk of death from "positional asphyxia". Amnesty International is concerned that using combined techniques such as pepper spray, tasers and physical restraint could exacerbate stress levels, leading to cardiac or respiratory failure.
  • Since June 2001, more than 70 [appx. 370 by now] people have died in the USA and Canada after being struck by M26 and X26 tasers, sometimes combined with techniques described above. The number of deaths are growing every year.
  • Most of those who died were unarmed men who, while displaying disturbed or combative behaviour, did not appear to present a serious threat to themselves or to the lives and safety of others.
  • There have been several cases of police use of tasers against children.
  • Tasers are also authorised for use by the general public in the USA. For instance, they have reportedly been used as instruments of private torture or abuse, including against children and women by abusive partners.
  • There has been no rigorous, independent and impartial study into the use and medical effects of the "new generation" tasers.
  • AI has found use of tasers in many instances violate international standards which require that officers should only use force as a last resort, after exhausting non-violent alternatives, and in proportion to the threat posed. In many instances their use has amounted to torture or cruel, inhuman and degradating treatment.

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The Giuliani Connection to the TASER Abuse Explosion

November 29, 2007 at 10:11:29

by Zak Maymin
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Bernard Kerik, former Giuliani's driver , is behind the sudden advancement of tasers. The phenominal rise of tasers is mainly due to the efforts of Rudy Giuliani. In 2001, Taser International developed its "Advanced Taser Electro-Muscular Disruption" system and became a publicly traded company ("Taser"). In 2000, Giuliani installed Kerik as the New York City police commissioner. In 2002, Kerik, a senior vice president at Giuliani Partners and CEO of Giuliani-Kerik LLC, became Taser's director.

With Kerik at the steering wheel, Taser's profits grew ten times in two years, to $68 million in 2004, up from just under $7 million in 2001. By the way, sales have been helped along by police officers who have received payments and/or stock options from Taser to serve as instructors and trainers.

In 2003, Taser received weapons orders from Homeland Security. In 2004 Bush, lobbied by Giuliani, nominated Kerik as Secretary of Homeland Security. The same year, Kerik made more than $6 million from Taser.

Just five years earlier, Kerik faced lawsuits over delinquent payments for his condo. The life of this high school dropout changed after he became Giuliani's chauffeur. Giuliani made him rich, powerful, and, as a result, well-educated. After Kerik got a mail-order Bachelor's Degree from Empire State College in 2002, he went on to receive Honorary Doctorates from Iona College, New York Institute of Technology, Manhattanville College, the College of New Rochelle, and Michigan State University. In 2002, according to keriklegaltrust.com, "Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, also honored him with an honorary appointment as Commander of the Most Excellent Royal Order of the British Empire."

In 2004, the Commander of the Most Excellent Royal Order withdrew as nominee for secretary of homeland security and resigned from Giuliani Partners "to clear his good name. " "He continues to be a friend,'' said Giuliani of the Commander and immediately renamed Giuliani-Kerik LLC to Giuliani Security & Safety LLC.

Earlier this month, Kerik was indicted on federal criminal charges.

A U.N. committee called the use of tasers "a form of torture." Amnesty International estimated in hundreds taser related deaths.

Giuliani: "Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

Ok, we get it. It's all because of the war on terror. Just where is it all going?

Next we will see flying taser saucers zapping us from the sky. Don't believe it? This weapon has already been built by Taser and tested in Houston. Then there is the crowd control taser. The Air Force secretary Wynne called for using it against US citizens first, before we try it on terrorists, because that "... would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns."

Yesterday's poll showed Rudy Taser Giuliani as the best candidate to address terrorism. Just don't tase us, bro!


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Thanks flyermay for your very good efforts! Having (in the past) been a TV technician for several years, I know how painful EHT voltage can be. I once received a shock of around 25,000 volts (off a TV tube anode) and it was not only very painful, be left me in a state of shock and feeling very faint for several hours - and that was with just one spark at 25,000 volts, not pulsed (10 times per second) at 50,000 volts for several seconds at a time as is with the Taser.

Medical.
If the skin is broken to expose the nerve ends which are under the skin (as what happens with the spikes of a Taser), the pain can be much worse. Just 50 volts put through spikes that penetrate to damp flesh exposing nerves which are underneath the skin (epidermis), that is enough to make most people shout; let alone a thousand times that at 50,000 volts!

Then suppose someone has a heart condition and/or has a pace-maker? The use of a Taser on such a person would very likely kill them, as Tazers have already killed several hundreds of people already. Then suppose the spikes go directly across the spine? With 50,000 volts burning across the spinal chord, that could very likely leave someone crippled for life! Then suppose the spikes should miss the body and land on someone's head? That could leave them blind, deaf, or with very serious brain injury, or even completely brain dead!

Instant death penalty.
Tasers can (and have) given many people an instant death penalty for daring to not cooperate with the police or even daring to question them, when by far most of those people have not committed any serious crime; nor have posed any serious threat to the safety of the police, or to the general public.

It is now widely know that as the name Police implies, the Police are Policy enforcers, rather than being true advocates of the Law. And the use of Tasers not only conflict with International law and human rights, but most certainly conflict with the Law of the land.

Sadly, most Police officers do not know the difference and some even think that they are the law - after all, they have been told that they are "law officers" when in fact they are not and as can be seen they have a job as Policy enforcers of which policies may or may not be Lawful but more often than not, are not Lawful.

If we do not stop the use of Tasers not only will the general public loose any respect they have left for the Police, but we will end up with a full-fledged Police State which uses brutal tactics such as what happened in Nazi Germany, or with us having modern technology far worse. Sadly (at the time), most people in Germany did not want know what was really happening when Hitler and the Nazis took over. Likewise today if people ignore these warnings, they do so at their own, as well as at our collective peril.

So please people, lets not let dreadful history repeat itself yet again. Let's make the change and this time aound, let's all stand up and say a big NO, to the bully tactics of the forecast draconian NWO! Listen, this might be somewhat painful to acknowledge but without our cooperation 'they' can do nothing. Even if some of us should die in the process, unless we stand for what is right many, many will die and very likely in the most horrible way imaginable.

Together we stand... and people should know the rest...


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So far only about 100 people have bothered to sign the Petition but I hope we can change that soon. :-)
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they continue to taze him while asking him to stand up..?? they could of just dragged him out on his knees at the start.......why didn't they..??

b/c what they're after is total control....they want you to completely adhere to their wishes & follow their orders....

thats why they never dragged him out at the start, b/c it would have been admitting defeat...... its all psychological crap!!




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they continue to taze him while asking him to stand up..?? they could of just dragged him out on his knees at the start.......why didn't they..??

b/c what they're after is total control....they want you to completely adhere to their wishes & follow their orders....

thats why they never dragged him out at the start, b/c it would have been admitting defeat...... its all psychological crap!!
It is very difficult to stand up after one zapping at 50,000 volts and impossible after three or four times; so in the end they did have to drag him out. Yet for what? Not signing on before using the library computers???

Frankly, my first feelings are that those police officers should be shot in the head, after first being rendered helpless by being Tazered several times themselves! That is what my first feeling are but using my head, they should be more properly be brought to justice and spend an awful lot of time in jail.

Then I think that most (or all) of these police officers are married and I ask myself how on earth could genuine women make love to such selfish cold-hearted men. And I hope that because they have a conscience their wives leave them. But alas, many women are shallow as are many men.

Sorry but I think they are all the scum of the Earth.
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Thanks flyermay for your very good efforts! Having (in the past) been a TV technician for several years, I know how painful EHT voltage can be. I once received a shock of around 25,000 volts (off a TV tube anode) and it was not only very painful, be left me in a state of shock and feeling very faint for several hours - and that was with just one spark at 25,000 volts, not pulsed (10 times per second) at 50,000 volts for several seconds at a time as is with the Taser.
Me too, years ago while fixing an old TV

I completely agree with you in all you have just said. Far worst, according to AI there are evidences to support your view, but the authorities simply ignore them (as you can see above, due to other interests). But just say that already 370+ have died from police tasers in N. America.

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It is very difficult to stand up after one zapping at 50,000 volts and impossible after three or four times; so in the end they did have to drag him out. Yet for what? Not signing on before using the library computers???

Frankly, my first feelings are that those police officers should be shot in the head, after first being rendered helpless by being Tazered several times themselves! That is what my first feeling are but using my head, they should be more properly be brought to justice and spend an awful lot of time in jail.

Then I think that most (or all) of these police officers are married and I ask myself how on earth could genuine women make love to such selfish cold-hearted men. And I hope that because they have a conscience their wives leave them. But alas, many women are shallow as are many men.

Sorry but I think they are all the scum of the Earth.

I agree with all you said,both posts,i feel the same way,you summed it up perfectly.
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they continue to taze him while asking him to stand up..?? they could of just dragged him out on his knees at the start.......why didn't they..??

b/c what they're after is total control....they want you to completely adhere to their wishes & follow their orders....

thats why they never dragged him out at the start, b/c it would have been admitting defeat...... its all psychological crap!!
Now I am not a hateful guy but I don't think that Police who use Tasers (or Tazers) even deserve the title of Human.
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:53 AM   #19
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It is time we fought back. Preferably without using Tasers ourselves (which are now available to the public).

Send letters to newspapers and to the police and to politicians, demanding that the use of tazers are banned, explaining the reasons why.
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Notice to the Police

I am a Law-abiding person and I have a heart condition. If for any reason you take it upon yourself to Tazer me, it would likely kill me and with you being forewarned, you would likely be committing Murder.

With you being forewarned if you Tazer me and if I should survive your arrogant ignorance, I will not hesitate to "throw the book" at you which will ruin your life as you intended to ruin mine.
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That's the sort of stuff we need. Anomalously send something like the above to politicians and to every police station and newspaper in the country. It can be done. Lets do it.
Lets fight back. Any helpful suggestions are welcome.

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