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Old 15-07-2007, 12:32 PM   #21
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Disinformation lol the producer made films like that.

Just nipped into the studio at the weekend and shot it lol that should give it away right at the start. Does any studio in London have a vacuum chamber miles across? To tell you the truth the genuine documentaries you speak of are just as much of a joke.

Someone posted me a link to Sibrels secret tape yesterday Another person one to paper Moon why dont HB's check things out for themselves instead of believing what some proven liars say on a DVD?
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Disinformation lol the producer made films like that.

Just nipped into the studio at the weekend and shot it lol that should give it away right at the start. Does any studio in London have a vacuum chamber miles across? To tell you the truth the genuine documentaries you speak of are just as much of a joke.

Someone posted me a link to Sibrels secret tape yesterday Another person one to paper Moon why dont HB's check things out for themselves instead of believing what some proven liars say on a DVD?
The proven liars are the government agencys like nasa.
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Old 15-07-2007, 11:39 PM   #23
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OK here's a lie by Bart Sibrel the current Mr Moon Hoax. He says in his film NASA sent him a previously unseen tape of astronauts faking TV footage. This is a lie the tape has been available for years on video and DVD and the broadcast was shown live. Sibrel cleverly edits the footage to make it look like it is something its not.

Arguments like that may appear strawman but its the arguments HB's use to support their theories.

Where did NASA lie?

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Old 16-07-2007, 02:07 AM   #24
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Where did NASA lie?

Nasa lied about the apollo missions landing man on the moon
Prove they did land on the moon without using nasa evidence..

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Old 16-07-2007, 12:05 PM   #25
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As im sure you will agree from the beginning of the space programme until Apollo 11 landed on the Moon is quite some time and a hell of a lot of things to cover.

Could you be a bit more specific if you have doubts say what they are.

Jodrell bank (nothing to do with NASA) tracked the Eagles decent to the moon and the point where Armstrong is forced to take manual control to land the LM is registered on their data. The Guidance computers shut down for a while on the way to the surface so Armstrong took manual control and throttled up. The computer when it came back up was long in its approach and was going to put them in a deep crater. So Armstrong kept powering forward untill he landed it by hand almost out of fuel.

The people at Jodrell Bank were tracking the descent for fun funny how they noticed all this going on.

How about the thousands of radio amateurs who pointed their antennas very precisely at the Moon and listened in.

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Jodrell bank (nothing to do with NASA) tracked the Eagles decent to the moon
Well, to be precise they tracked a spacecraft descending to the moon. Its identity as the LM with Armstrong and Aldrin aboard could not be verified from Jordrell Bank
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How about the thousands of radio amateurs who pointed their antennas very precisely at the Moon and listened in.
Yes, many of therm picked up the beam from the moon. There were also the people at Parkes Observatory in Australia who relayed the signal. But the same applies here as applies to Jodrell Bank: This doesn't prove that those signals originated on the moon.

Let's face it, this is the argument the Skeptics would use if we claimed that a supposed alien radio signal from space was really alien! They'd say: "Get away! That could be some people taking the mick with a satelite relaying the signal!"
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Old 17-07-2007, 08:08 PM   #28
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Its a mockumentary as they say.

King its not edited in certain parts to sway your view its all edited and made up. Its supposed to be a bit of a giggle. It wasnt made by people who believe in the Moon hoax and then edited like Sibrel does.
I dont think anyone watched it till the end you do have to watch it all because at the very end you see the outtakes.
Its a good way to show people how moon hoaxers edit interviews to make you sound like you are saying something you are not. This is why most people refuse to do interviews with Bart Sibrel.

This is the same film they are talking about it has around 3 titles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Si...n_(documentary)
ok, i'll check it out
my main point that there is conspiracy behind conspiracy, cold bloodedness of usual protagonists
and their 'business as usual'

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Old 18-07-2007, 12:09 PM   #29
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Hello

I Have not read all posts here so sorry if this has been posted before

http://www.freewebs.com/truestoriesvideoblog/seven.htm

some good videos on their about this, i like the "Apollo Moon Landing Wires Footage" were you can clearly see the wires LOL

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Here's 33 things that need to be answered!

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1) Sceptics argue that the lack of stars on Moon photographs is acceptable, despite zero atmosphere to obscure the view. Yuri Gagarin, pronounced the stars to be "astonishingly brilliant". See the official NASA pictures above that I have reproduced that show 'stars' in the sky, as viewed from the lunar surface. And why exactly do you think there are hardly any stars visible on Apollo films taken from the Moon? The answers simple - Professional astronomers would quickly calculate that the configuration and distances of star formations were incorrect and so NASA had to remove them to make sure they could keep up the scam.

2) The pure oxygen atmosphere in the module would have melted the Hasselblad's camera covering and produced poisonous gases. Why weren't the astronauts affected?

3) There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the LM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LM as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot print if all the dust had been blown away?

4) Sceptics claim that you cannot produce a flame in a vacuum because of the lack of oxygen. So how come I have footage on this page showing a flame coming from the exhaust of an Apollo lander? (Obviously the sceptics are wrong or the footage shows the lander working in an atmosphere)

5) Footprints are the result of weight displacing air or moisture from between particles of dirt, dust, or sand. The astronauts left distinct footprints all over the place.

6) The Apollo 11 TV pictures were lousy, yet the broadcast quality magically became fine on the five subsequent missions.

7) Why in most Apollo photos, is there a clear line of definition between the rough foreground and the smooth background?

8) Why did so many NASA Moonscape photos have non parallel shadows? sceptics will tell you because there is two sources of light on the Moon - the Sun and the Earth... That maybe the case, but the shadows would still fall in the same direction, not two or three different angles and Earth shine would have no effect during the bright lunar day (the time at which the Apollo was on the Moon).

9) Why did one of the stage prop rocks have a capital "C" on it and a 'C' on the ground in front of it?

10) How did the fibreglass whip antenna on the Gemini 6A capsule survive the tremendous heat of atmospheric re-entry?

11) In Ron Howard's 1995 science fiction movie, Apollo 13, the astronauts lose electrical power and begin worrying about freezing to death. In reality, of course, the relentless bombardment of the Sun's rays would rapidly have overheated the vehicle to lethal temperatures with no atmosphere into which to dump the heat build up.

12) Who would dare risk using the LM on the Moon when a simulated Moon landing was never tested?

13) Instead of being able to jump at least ten feet high in "one sixth" gravity, the highest jump was about nineteen inches.

14) Even though slow motion photography was able to give a fairly convincing appearance of very low gravity, it could not disguise the fact that the astronauts travelled no further between steps than they would have on Earth.

15) If the Rover buggy had actually been moving in one-sixth gravity, then it would have required a twenty foot width in order not to have flipped over on nearly every turn. The Rover had the same width as ordinary small cars.

16) An astrophysicist who has worked for NASA writes that it takes two meters of shielding to protect against medium solar flares and that heavy ones give out tens of thousands of rem in a few hours. Russian scientists calculated in 1959 that astronauts needed a shield of 4 feet of lead to protect them on the Moons surface. Why didn't the astronauts on Apollo 14 and 16 die after exposure to this immense amount of radiation? And why are NASA only starting a project now to test the lunar radiation levels and what their effects would be on the human body if they have sent 12 men there already?

17) The fabric space suits had a crotch to shoulder zipper. There should have been fast leakage of air since even a pinhole deflates a tyre in short order.

18) The astronauts in these "pressurized" suits were easily able to bend their fingers, wrists, elbows, and knees at 5.2 p.s.i. and yet a boxer's 4 p.s.i. speed bag is virtually unbendable. The guys would have looked like balloon men if the suits had actually been pressurized.

19) How did the astronauts leave the LEM? In the documentary 'Paper Moon' The host measures a replica of the LEM at The Space Centre in Houston, what he finds is that the 'official' measurements released by NASA are bogus and that the astronauts could not have got out of the LEM.

20) The water sourced air conditioner backpacks should have produced frequent explosive vapour discharges. They never did.

21) During the Apollo 14 flag setup ceremony, the flag would not stop fluttering.

22) With more than a two second signal transmission round trip, how did a camera pan upward to track the departure of the Apollo 16 LEM? Gus Grissom, before he got burned alive in the Apollo I disaster A few minutes before he was burned to death in the Apollo I tragedy, Gus Grissom said, 'Hey, you guys in the control center, get with it. You expect me to go to the moon and you can't even maintain telephonic communications over three miles.' This statement says a lot about what Grissom thought about NASA's progress in the great space race.

23) Why did NASA's administrator resign just days before the first Apollo mission?

24) NASA launched the TETR-A satellite just months before the first lunar mission. The proclaimed purpose was to simulate transmissions coming from the moon so that the Houston ground crews (all those employees sitting behind computer screens at Mission Control) could "rehearse" the first moon landing. In other words, though NASA claimed that the satellite crashed shortly before the first lunar mission (a misinformation lie), its real purpose was to relay voice, fuel consumption, altitude, and telemetry data as if the transmissions were coming from an Apollo spacecraft as it neared the moon. Very few NASA employees knew the truth because they believed that the computer and television data they were receiving was the genuine article. Merely a hundred or so knew what was really going on; not tens of thousands as it might first appear.

25) In 1998, the Space Shuttle flew to one of its highest altitudes ever, three hundred and fifty miles, hundreds of miles below merely the beginning of the Van Allen Radiation Belts. Inside of their shielding, superior to that which the Apollo astronauts possessed, the shuttle astronauts reported being able to "see" the radiation with their eyes closed penetrating their shielding as well as the retinas of their closed eyes. For a dental x-ray on Earth which lasts 1/100th of a second we wear a 1/4 inch lead vest. Imagine what it would be like to endure several hours of radiation that you can see with your eyes closed from hundreds of miles away with 1/8 of an inch of aluminium shielding!

26) The Apollo 1 fire of January 27, 1967, killed what would have been the first crew to walk on the Moon just days after the commander, Gus Grissom, held an unapproved press conference complaining that they were at least ten years, not two, from reaching the Moon. The dead man's own son, who is a seasoned pilot himself, has in his possession forensic evidence personally retrieved from the charred spacecraft (that the government has tried to destroy on two or more occasions). Gus Grissom was obviously trying to make a big statement as he placed a lemon in the window of the Apollo I spacecraft as it sat ready for launch!

27) CNN issued the following report, "The radiation belts surrounding Earth may be more dangerous for astronauts than previously believed (like when they supposedly went through them thirty years ago to reach the Moon.) The phenomenon known as the 'Van Allen Belts' can spawn (newly discovered) 'Killer Electrons' that can dramatically affect the astronauts' health."

28) In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned building. In 2002 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the memory required to take off again once landed. The alleged computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory. That's the equivalent of a simple calculator.

29) If debris from the Apollo missions was left on the Moon, then it would be visible today through a powerful telescope, however no such debris can be seen. The Clementine probe that recently mapped the Moons surface failed to show any Apollo artefacts left by Man during the missions. Where did the Moon Buggy and base of the LM go?

30) In the year 2005 NASA does not have the technology to land any man, or woman on the Moon, and return them safely to Earth.

31) Film evidence has recently been uncovered of a mis-labelled, unedited, behind-the-scenes video film, showing the crew of Apollo 11 staging part of their photography. The film evidence is shown in the video "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon!". and appears above in the 'Why Did Apollo 11 Astronauts Lie About Being In Deep Space?' section.

32) Why did the blueprints and plans for the Lunar Module and Moon Buggy get destroyed if this was one of History's greatest accomplishments?

33) Why did NASA need to airbrush out anomalies from lunar footage of the Moon if they have nothing to hide?
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Ah yes, Cosmic Dave's questions. They've been out for years and have been answered numerous times in numerous places. One of the best explanations can be found here
http://www.clavius.org/bibdave32.html
Of course some on here will dismiss the link based on the source and not the info contained therein. It is also interesting to note that the author of that page debated online with Dave Cosnette regarding his "questions" and Dave conceded on quite a few of them and promised to change them. Then Dave stopped debating and his page never got changed. Wonder why?
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Ah yes, Cosmic Dave's questions. They've been out for years and have been answered numerous times in numerous places. One of the best explanations can be found here
http://www.clavius.org/bibdave32.html
Of course some on here will dismiss the link based on the source and not the info contained therein. It is also interesting to note that the author of that page debated online with Dave Cosnette regarding his "questions" and Dave conceded on quite a few of them and promised to change them. Then Dave stopped debating and his page never got changed. Wonder why?
why dont YOU answer them then ?
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why dont YOU answer them then ?
I could, but I know my own limitations and the explanations that I've linked to do a much better job than I ever could. Why is the link not sufficient?
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I could, but I know my own limitations and the explanations that I've linked to do a much better job than I ever could. Why is the link not sufficient?
Thats a pro nasa disinfo site, thats why..
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You have evidence for this or just your opinion? Even if true, if the explanations are correct, then what is the problem?
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Yes, many of therm picked up the beam from the moon. There were also the people at Parkes Observatory in Australia who relayed the signal. But the same applies here as applies to Jodrell Bank: This doesn't prove that those signals originated on the moon.

Let's face it, this is the argument the Skeptics would use if we claimed that a supposed alien radio signal from space was really alien! They'd say: "Get away! That could be some people taking the mick with a satelite relaying the signal!"
Sorry you obviously know nothing about radio. Those radio armatures knew very well that the signal was coming from the Moon. You have to point you directional beam antenna very presently.
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Sorry you obviously know nothing about radio. Those radio armatures knew very well that the signal was coming from the Moon. You have to point you directional beam antenna very presently.
The signals would have been coming from this.

NASA launched the TETR-A satellite just months before the first lunar mission. The proclaimed purpose was to simulate transmissions coming from the moon so that the Houston ground crews (all those employees sitting behind computer screens at Mission Control) could "rehearse" the first moon landing. In other words, though NASA claimed that the satellite crashed shortly before the first lunar mission (a misinformation lie), its real purpose was to relay voice, fuel consumption, altitude, and telemetry data as if the transmissions were coming from an Apollo spacecraft as it neared the moon. Very few NASA employees knew the truth because they believed that the computer and television data they were receiving was the genuine article. Merely a hundred or so knew what was really going on; not tens of thousands as it might first appear
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You have evidence for this or just your opinion? Even if true, if the explanations are correct, then what is the problem?
The explanations are a pack of lies that my problem.

Can i ask you, why do you spend so much time on websites defending the nasa position ? why do you give a shit if me and others dont beleive the nasa hype, why are you doing their job for them ?

Do you work for nasa or have you in the past.
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The signals would have been coming from this.

NASA launched the TETR-A satellite just months before the first lunar mission. The proclaimed purpose was to simulate transmissions coming from the moon so that the Houston ground crews (all those employees sitting behind computer screens at Mission Control) could "rehearse" the first moon landing. In other words, though NASA claimed that the satellite crashed shortly before the first lunar mission (a misinformation lie), its real purpose was to relay voice, fuel consumption, altitude, and telemetry data as if the transmissions were coming from an Apollo spacecraft as it neared the moon. Very few NASA employees knew the truth because they believed that the computer and television data they were receiving was the genuine article. Merely a hundred or so knew what was really going on; not tens of thousands as it might first appear
Sorry not so as you state it says relay thats 2 trips the time delay difference would be wrong. Also a satellite orbiting the moon couldn't provide the coverage you would loose all communication every time it went around the side that faces away from the Earth.
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The explanations are a pack of lies that my problem.

Can i ask you, why do you spend so much time on websites defending the nasa position ? why do you give a shit if me and others dont beleive the nasa hype, why are you doing their job for them ?

Do you work for nasa or have you in the past.
Can you explain why you think they are lies instead of just throwing out insults?
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