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Old 04-02-2014, 11:04 AM   #21
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If you need to look in some book for moral guidance the problem ain't the book.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:01 PM   #22
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Slaves in the OT meant the whole family was involved and no slavery (without consent) could last longer than 7 years.
That is completely wrong. The 7 years only applied to fellow Israelites who had had to sell themselves into bond service. Gentiles could be enslaved for life and could be inherited by your heirs. Look it up. Most Jews and Christians prefer to forget this and try and make other people believe a lie.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:18 PM   #23
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I have issues with concubines of the state if women are forced to bear children under the law. This was once a slavery too.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:28 PM   #24
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That is completely wrong. The 7 years only applied to fellow Israelites who had had to sell themselves into bond service. Gentiles could be enslaved for life and could be inherited by your heirs. Look it up. Most Jews and Christians prefer to forget this and try and make other people believe a lie.
'They' know this was updated with the cross event, ... right?

Le:25:44-46:
Both thy bondmen,
and thy bondmaids,
which thou shalt have,
shall be of the heathen that are round about you;
of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you,
of them shall ye buy,
and of their families that are with you,
which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you,
to inherit them for a possession;
they shall be your bondmen for ever:
but over your brethren the children of Israel,
ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:30 PM   #25
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I have issues with concubines of the state if women are forced to bear children under the law. This was once a slavery too.
You don't force a 'mistress' to have a child, those are called 'accidents'.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:44 PM   #26
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i'm surprised that logos has not entered the fray.
this is the perfect opportunity to begin another ROUND of arguments.
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:54 PM   #27
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How can one respect stupid? Stupid is, stupid does!
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Old 09-02-2014, 07:56 PM   #28
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There's far more good things in the bible than bad.

Also the man credited with freeing the slaves was William Wilberforce, an Evangelical Bible reading Christian.

Don't let that get In the way of your Christian hating wankfest though.

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Old 09-02-2014, 08:26 PM   #29
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There's far more good things in the bible than bad.

Also the man credited with freeing the slaves was William Wilberforce, an Evangelical Bible reading Christian.

Don't let that get In the way of your Christian hating wankfest though.
Says the guy always posting on the DI forum?

Ever read a book by Icke where he exposes your vile fundi religion, whether 'chrisitian' or 'Islamic' ?

Is he too a christain hater wanker?

Or do you just hate the truth?
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Old 09-02-2014, 08:31 PM   #30
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Some people are born to rule and some are born to be ruled. It's apropos that Maxine should mention "stupid is as stupid does", for yesterday and today the billions enslaved prostrate themselves out of ignorance, stupidity, and a lacking in the will to rise above culture. Don't blame the sociopath that is "jesus" for preying on others, it's in his nature as a predatorial entity inasmuch as it is for the lion that preys on the gazelle. In the same breath, though, it is also in the nature of a gazelle to elude it's predator.

As Achilles stated in Troy, there are no pacts between lions and men. Power does what it wants. You either have it or you become vulnerable to those who do have it -- IF you have it (and this is the main point of my post) whatever you choose to do with it is neither "right" or "wrong" -- there's nothing "correct" or "incorrect" about the choices we make.
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:13 PM   #31
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You don't force a 'mistress' to have a child, those are called 'accidents'.
mehahertz,

You do not force accidents on a mistress. That is called slavery. Love children are free will offerings.
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Old 13-02-2014, 03:29 AM   #32
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by slave, it really means servant or an indentured labourer.

Keep in mind that the Hebrew word for Servant is the same word used to describe Moses as being a servant for GOD, etc. so its not really a negative connotation.

It is also against the Mosaic law TO KIDNAP SOMEBODY AND MAKE THEM A SLAVE. This is a law punishable by death.


EXODUS 21:16

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death

THIS LAW CLEARLY PUTS TO DEATH ANY IDEA THAT THE BIBLE WOULD CONDONE LARGE EVENTS SUCH AS THE TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE OR THE EARLIER ISLAMIC SLAVE TRADE, WHERE SLAVES WERE KIDNAPPED.
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Old 13-02-2014, 04:28 AM   #33
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Why would we even need a proof...If i claim i talk to god, wouldn't everyone (If they don't totally ignore me, of course) ask ME for a proof? It wouldn't make sense if i tell you "Proof to me i don't talk with god", would it?

That's why religion is so ridiculous.
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Old 15-02-2014, 09:02 PM   #34
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by slave, it really means servant or an indentured labourer.

Keep in mind that the Hebrew word for Servant is the same word used to describe Moses as being a servant for GOD, etc. so its not really a negative connotation.

It is also against the Mosaic law TO KIDNAP SOMEBODY AND MAKE THEM A SLAVE. This is a law punishable by death.


EXODUS 21:16

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death

THIS LAW CLEARLY PUTS TO DEATH ANY IDEA THAT THE BIBLE WOULD CONDONE LARGE EVENTS SUCH AS THE TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE OR THE EARLIER ISLAMIC SLAVE TRADE, WHERE SLAVES WERE KIDNAPPED.
Deuteronomy 24:7 makes it clear that the 'somebody' in the above verse is a fellow Israelite:

"If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you."

It was fine to buy a Gentile slave and enslave him for life and many of the Gentile slaves would have come through kidnap, so it would have been hypocritical to make kidnapping an offense.

Joel 3:8 says about the citizens of Tyre:

"I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away." The LORD has spoken."

Wholesale slavery for the people of Tyre by order of Yahweh.
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Old 15-02-2014, 11:57 PM   #35
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All slaves had to be released in a jubile year.

Le:25:10:
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year,
and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof:
it shall be a jubile unto you;
and ye shall return every man unto his possession,
and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Le:25:39:
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor,
and be sold unto thee;
thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
Le:25:40:
But as an hired servant,
and as a sojourner,
he shall be with thee,
and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile:

Gentiles became equal heirs in Acts:10 so along with Gentile food being made clean Gentiles as a whole were also made 'clean'.
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Old 16-02-2014, 12:47 AM   #36
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I wonder if that Jubilee schtick ever actually worked?
Can't see any slave holders being in too much of a hurry to set their assets free just cos of the calendar.
They certainly never applied it in the Old South and they were good Bible believin' Christians.
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Old 16-02-2014, 01:07 AM   #37
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Sure it did, the old south just saw it the same way OT Jews did, gentiles made into slaves could be kept as a slave until death, that is why I said the Gentiles were changed by Acts:10

Le:25:44-46:
Both thy bondmen,
and thy bondmaids,
which thou shalt have,
shall be of the heathen that are round about you;
of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you,
of them shall ye buy,
and of their families that are with you,
which they begat in your land:
and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you,
to inherit them for a possession;
they shall be your bondmen for ever:
but over your brethren the children of Israel,
ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
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Old 16-02-2014, 01:12 AM   #38
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Old 16-02-2014, 01:15 AM   #39
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There's far more good things in the bible than bad.
There's no easy way to balance the good things (trying hard to think of any at the moment) against the bad things, but if you're gay, there are definitely far more bad things in the Bible than good.
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Old 16-02-2014, 01:42 AM   #40
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That is not the only form of adultery. The NT ups the anti as far as what adultery is so there will be a lot more than gays missing out on the 1,000 year reign as none of these incidents would be repented by 'normal' men and women.

M't:5:28:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
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