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Old 16-02-2011, 01:22 AM   #21
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So I'm a "troll" now am I?

I read enough of it to know that I have no intention of willingly subjecting my awareness to it, besides, its no different than every other post you make and is pushing the same misleading BS thats spouted all over the Gaia Healing(CLICKABLE) forum by yourself and others.



As a closing note, if you dont like people disagreeing with you then youd be better off staying on the gaia forums where seems to be a rather cultish agreement of facts going on.

There you have it zsymon, the defeat of your ideology.
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Old 16-02-2011, 03:41 AM   #22
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Old 16-02-2011, 06:54 AM   #23
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There you have it zsymon, the defeat of your ideology.
Yeah right.. Nectars insults me and that means my ideology is debunked.

Nectars, Merlincove and Tanelorn,

This thread was meant to be about ways to guide home earthbound spirits,
not an acidic ego fest. You all obviously have personal problems with me that
you can't get over, maybe my beliefs threaten you, I don't know, so you keep
attacking me in every thread I make like bullies picking on the guy with the
glasses.

Nectars, you seem to hate me so much, in another thread you said you'd
never talk to me again... well that is fine by me, why didn't you do what
you said? This thread would have been a lot less acidic then.

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Old 16-02-2011, 11:51 AM   #24
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Yeah right.. Nectars insults me and that means my ideology is debunked.

Nectars, Merlincove and Tanelorn,

This thread was meant to be about ways to guide home earthbound spirits,
not an acidic ego fest. You all obviously have personal problems with me that
you can't get over, maybe my beliefs threaten you, I don't know, so you keep
attacking me in every thread I make like bullies picking on the guy with the
glasses.
All i've done is ask questions, and raise a few points from my own understandings of what you have said - that isn't attacking, and neither is it entering an acidic ego fest - i'm not sure what one of those is in any case.

Your beliefs certainly don't threaten me, such a foolish notion could only be in accord if i suffered from insecurity. If i felt threatened then i'd seriously need to check why i felt such - and i'd look inwardly rather than look for an external source of attack.

Merely discussing idea's and concepts isn't threatening. If we didn't question or raise concern in regard to what is being presented then we'd all be blind followers - i think addressing certain aspects allows not only for a better understanding but also helps to fill in the gaps somewhat - gaps both in our own understanding and gaps in our understanding of what is being presented
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Old 16-02-2011, 11:54 AM   #25
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All i've done is ask questions, and raise a few points from my own understandings of what you have said - that isn't attacking, and neither is it entering an acidic ego fest - i'm not sure what one of those is in any case.

Your beliefs certainly don't threaten me, such a foolish notion could only be in accord if i suffered from insecurity. If i felt threatened then i'd seriously need to check why i felt such - and i'd look inwardly rather than look for an external source of attack.

Merely discussing idea's and concepts isn't threatening. If we didn't question or raise concern in regard to what is being presented then we'd all be blind followers - i think addressing certain aspects allows not only for a better understanding but also helps to fill in the gaps somewhat - gaps both in our own understanding and gaps in our understanding of what is being presented
The only reason I included you in the list was not because you attacked me,
but because when someone said "Let's not turn this into a slag fest", you said
that there is no slag fest, even though I was the one getting slagged, which
implies you are just dandy with me being slagged.

Excuse me for the whining, I am just so very disappointed that every thread I
make turns into a travesty like this, totally derailed after only two posts. The
moment someone like Nectars with their personal beef against me joins the
thread, saying for the umpteenth time they won't talk to me anymore, after
hosing around one insult after the other first, all chance of an adult spiritual
debate is lost.

Then someone like Tanelorn who nurtures his newly found beef with me in every
single thread, joins as well and the derail train is ready to ride down the canyon.

People keep asking me to stay here and keep writing, but man it is no fun
anymore.

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Old 16-02-2011, 12:41 PM   #26
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The only reason I included you in the list was not because you attacked me,
but because when someone said "Let's not turn this into a slag fest", you said
that there is no slag fest, even though I was the one getting slagged, which
implies you are just dandy with me being slagged.

Excuse me for the whining, I am just so very disappointed that every thread I
make turns into a travesty like this, totally derailed after only two posts. The
moment someone like Nectars with their personal beef against me joins the
thread, all chance of an adult metaphysical debate is lost.
If people don't agree with an aspect of what is presented, and voice disagreement, then that is simply a reflection of their own standing, slating them as a troll only serves to derail....

if someone said that i was a troll, i can choose whether to react or not, choose whether to allow that inertia to enter my reality - and my reaction will likely be either fueled by the inertia presented, or tempered by my understanding that the insult presented is not a true reflection of what i offered

Mother Earth is a little like a holo-deck - we form our own realities around a set of basic maxims, the world is a mergance of billions of realities, each one subtly different to the next - we don't have to allow other realities to effect our own

Of course if we are imposed upon by another reality holding a gun, then it becomes likely that that other reality will effect ours..... which brings me neatly back into topic

Symon, do you not feel that interacting with spirits in the way you describe is effecting their reality from our own perspective / ego / desire?

I've done a few house clearances etc in the past, aided the transition of a few Earth bound spirits to move on, along their journey - but i also ask, was that 'earth bound' aspect another part of their journey, were they eart bound for a reson - and if so, then who am i to interfere?

One time, some years ago, my parents moved into a new flat, the old houses that had stood on the spot for over 150 years had been pulled down and new flats erected. After some time they would wake in the night and all the taps would be switched on, the kettle switched itself on one time too and the DVD player began playing a DVD, even though the remote was in a drawer out of the way. When they mentioned these aspects to me i went over with my gf and tapped into the energy there - there were two spirits, a young girl of perhaps 8 or 9 years old and an adult male. when i tuned in i felt as though my chest was tightening (as i'm typing, i'm remembering that feeling / sensation) and i understood that the young girl had suffered from breathing difficulties and died as a result. The other spirit was her father who had passed over in an accident in the mines that are prevalent in the town, there had been a fall in in one of the tunnels and he had been trapped and later died from drowning, i think the father had stayed on because his daughter had not moved on, and he felt that it was his duty - i understand these aspects from tuning into the energies there.

i opened a channel up to infinite consciousness and the little girls mother came through, it was ail pretty emotional

i did take it that the disturbances were a sign that these energies wanted to move on, and whereas i didn't push them through the door, i did open that door for them

But i do ask myself if doing this work was a reflection of Ego - or an imposition of my reality over theirs?

In this case i do think the spirits wanted to move on - but consider that i had moved on the parental energy and not the child's energy.... while that 'parental' spirit had took it as a duty to remain - had i interfered then i would be interfering with that spirit's journey - and i question our right to do that to some degree.

Do you see where i am coming from, symon?

And of course, before someone says it - yeah, of course this could all be a concept within, an illusion or delusion, of sorts - but either way, after i had 'opened the door' my parents didn't have taps being switched on in the night any more

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Old 16-02-2011, 12:47 PM   #27
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[Do you see where i am coming from, symon?

Yes, I see where you are coming from and it is just the struggle I have! What to do for the best?
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Old 16-02-2011, 12:56 PM   #28
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Merlincove, say what you will but Nectars replied to my post with utter
disrespect.. I doubt he will deny that.. he enjoys chasing me around my
threads and insulting me.

That is called trolling.

About guiding spirits home.. those spirits I guided home came back a few
days afterwards to thank me for what I've done for them, so I am quite
sure what I am doing is the right thing.

Many souls became earthbound because of how they died and lived, and
it is our DUTY to help them home whenever we can.

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Old 16-02-2011, 01:38 PM   #29
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Merlincove, say what you will but Nectars replied to my post with utter
disrespect.. I doubt he will deny that.. he enjoys chasing me around my
threads and insulting me.

That is called trolling.
Let it go, it will eat at you otherwise

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About guiding spirits home.. those spirits I guided home came back a few
days afterwards to thank me for what I've done for them, so I am quite
sure what I am doing is the right thing.

Many souls became earthbound because of how they died and lived, and
it is our DUTY to help them home whenever we can.
How can they 'come back' if they have gone from this place?

Who said it is our duty? i understand what you are saying, but i've not heard of such a duty, and i ask such in respect of how do we know what we believe is our duty is the right thing - is our 'duty' interfering with their reality or journey?

Consider that you 'discover' a spirit that is Earth bound and move it on, into the light etc...... That spirit may be Earthbound for a reason that we can not comprehend: waiting for someone who misses them greatly, wanting to relay an important message to someone, they may be attached to the physical with unknown, unseen chords - is it our duty to interfere with another's purpose? If so, who or what gave us this duty - to effect a dimensional frequency beyond ours?
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Old 16-02-2011, 02:05 PM   #30
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We'll just have to agree to disagree about earthbound spirits Merlincove.

When an earthbound spirit has been led into the Light, he is free to go where
he pleases, and many of them give me a visit to thank me for freeing them of
the darkness they were in. I recognized their energy so I know it is not some
illusion.

That is all the evidence I need to continue doing the work of guiding spirits
home if their horrible life or death has bound them to the Earth. It is a noble
work and one that will need to be done for quite a while longer.

If your beliefs keep you from doing this important work, then that is your
business, but I do find it very sad.. with your abilities you could be guiding
home a lot of lost spirits.

Being earthbound is truly horrible, it is no one's purpose to be earthbound
against their will.

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Old 16-02-2011, 02:20 PM   #31
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If your beliefs keep you from doing this important work, then that is your
business, but I do find it very sad.. with your abilities you could be guiding
home a lot of lost spirits.
i'm just asking questions to gain a better understanding

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Often I can hear them calling out for help, and you actually call helping them
"interfering" with them? So if you're drowning in a lake because you can not
swim, I shouldn't "interfere" by saving you?
If i asked for help, then of course, if such were the case then helping is not interfering - and i am sure it is ok to help if one is asked to help

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]Being earthbound is truly horrible, it is no one's purpose to be earthbound
against their will.
iz not that bad

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i think that 'the afterlife' is different from returning to source or 'ascension,' perse.

Through study of Asian mysticism, Yogananda and Sri Yukteswar i feel that true ascension and mergence with Oneness is only possible from the lifetime wherein all karmic debt is relinquished coupled with reaching an advancement of all levels of awareness - therein we ascend back into source / Oneness with Higher Self - though until such time, all other vibratory transitions focus one's frequency within the Matrix school.

If we are able to transcend through the frequencies without carrying any negative emotions, or reflections (anchors) to negativity (fear, attachment worry etc) then we are able to shed the physical form - if we wish - and at that point of ascension back to Self we can choose our journey and decide whether to return with the amassed knowledge to further the journey of our kin, sacrificing our own ascension (in part, and temporarily) for that of mankind - though in doing so we are liable to create more attachment and karma.
I understand better now - cheers.
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There are so many earthbound souls who are trapped, I give people a way
so that anyone, psychic or not, can guide a spirit home, and these are the
responses I get?
Home? Where is that home? What is it?

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You people have no interest in helping others at all, have
you.
That depends on what one considers as help. "Guiding" a soul into another
illusion in the invisible astral world, so called "realm of ight",
isn't the idea of helping for all of us.

From your posts I kinda got you don't believe in karma.
Feel free to correct me if it isn't so.

Edit: We're all earthbound, that's why we come back incarnated all over again.
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Old 16-02-2011, 05:28 PM   #35
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iz not that bad

Yes, it is.. I've seen in what conditions they exist.

For some it's worse than for others, depending on the wounds of their soul.
Some souls chose to remain earthbound to act as ancestral guides, for them
it's not that bad either, because they made the choice with love.. but for
most earthbound souls, such an existence is horrible. The ones who were
earthbound against their will, or were confused, were very happy to finally
have someone guide them home.

Some Light workers are born with the sole purpose of guiding earthbound
spirits home.. because there are just so many earthbounds. Me and my
friends do it whenever we have the opportunity, but my medication is not
helping my ability to see and hear them much.

They come to ask me for help when I'm in slumber, then I try to stay in
slumber as long as I can to guide them home. In slumber I can hear and
see and feel them.. often even feel their name, where they died, etc.

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i'm just asking questions to gain a better understanding

If i asked for help, then of course, if such were the case then helping is not interfering - and i am sure it is ok to help if one is asked to help
Some earthbound souls initially don't want to move on.. they claim a house
for their own and terrorize the owners through telekinesis, pyrokinesis and
your general poltergeist tactics. Then it's necessary to convince the spirit
to move on, even if initially he doesn't want to move on.

What my friend does in such instances is surround the being with so much
love energy that he remembers what it's like to be loved, his resistance
falters and he'll allow himself to be guided home.

Earthbound souls that didn't choose to be earthbound as ancestral spirits,
must be moved on, whether they initially want to or not, because they can
seriously ruin the lives of people. It is no spirits purpose to be earthbound,
except ancenstral spirits. So all spirits that are not ancestral guides, must
be helped to move on. They can't be forced, but they can be pursuaded
strongly by disconnecting them from the Earth through love and healing.

Love is key.. anyone can guide a confused earthbound soul home, but if it
is an angry, hateful and raging poltergeist, then it takes a person with the
ability to see, hear and feel spirits, and the ability to channel very large
amounts of Light and unconditional love energy.

That is why there are haunted homes where no one is successful, their
heart just isn't able to channel enough unconditional love to overcome the
hatred that keeps the spirit locked on Earth. There has to be an equal or
greater amount of Light, than darkness.. to overcome the hatred. If the
darkness is in too high quantity, the spirit will not be convinced.

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The ones who were
earthbound against their will, c.
Hi Zsymon,

Am interested to hear your views.... can you tell me how a spirit can be earthbound against their will?

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Hi Zsymon,

Am interested to hear your views.... can you tell me how a spirit can be earthbound against their will?

Thanks
When a spirit has such great wounds to his soul that he cannot enter the
Light when he dies. Those that caused the wounds, use that wound to
keep the soul trapped on Earth.. like a chain that prevents the soul from
going home.

Other times spirits choose to be earthbound because they don't want to
let go of the earth. Those are the easiest to guide home. If I meet a soul
that is literally chained to Earth by such a wound, I can do nothing, and
I have to ask my friend to remove the chain and heal the wound.

You won't feel comfortable if I go any deeper into this though, the Universe
is a place of almost limitless possibilities, and some of those possibilities will
keep you out of your sleep.
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When a spirit has such great wounds to his soul that he cannot enter the
Light when he dies. Those that caused the wounds, use that wound to
keep the soul trapped on Earth.. like a chain that prevents the soul from
going home.
Can the soul really be wounded? Or is it just the conciousness of that person retaining memories and experiences from earth that keep them 'here'?


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You won't feel comfortable if I go any deeper into this though, the Universe
is a place of almost limitless possibilities, and some of those possibilities will
keep you out of your sleep.
This is the DI forums and his material is very disturbing in parts. Please elaborate.
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Zsymon, with all the love to a fellow thruthseeker I will tell you this:

You can lead a soul to the light, but have me on ignore list obviously...
I don't know...
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