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Old 27-03-2013, 11:37 PM   #21
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Did you read the title of this thread?
"This is why Richard Gage has never been threateded"

No where in there does it say anything about debris. You brought that up when you could not sustain the truther side of Richard Gage.

My point has been made in both respects.
Just wanted to briefly remind you that what you demanded of Richard Gage in the OP is impossible. If I want to believe Evil Santa collapsed the towers with his Satanic Nuclear Reindeer (which everyone knows are invisible) there is likewise no way you could prove otherwise. It would be ridiculous, like the fire hypothesis is, but still impossible to disprove. It is therefore a nonsense to demand that Gage releases papers doing something impossible.
He has released a constant stream of material and documentation to support his view that explosives caused all three collapses though, and explained why this is the better hypothesis because it conforms to the available evidence without the need for exotic ad hoc supports like the fire hypothesis does.
And besides, he is constantly referring to Harrit`s and Jones`published papers on the physical and chemical proof of controlled demolition. Since nobody else has explored this hypothesis, and least of all the US government, these papers are the only valid scientific documentation on the issue. Ignoring evidence is no way to refute this even if it can be refuted. And neither is calling them kooks.

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Old 28-03-2013, 11:05 AM   #22
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It would be ridiculous, like the fire hypothesis is,
Sorry but the world accepts that steel framed building can come down due to fire alone.
Ask any fire department.
Ask any engineering firm.
Ask any physics department.
Why is it that you cannot get ANY main stream organization to support the conspiracy view?
Why is it that the conspiracy people cannot come to agreement on how things transpired? Thermite, cutting charges, space lasers, nukes, you name it and some faction of the conspiracy group insist their pet version was the true reason the building came down.

Which version does Gage support this week? What evidence does he use to prove it was thermite as opposed to cutting charges? There is a lack of evidence in both of those scenerios.
Specifics don't seem to matter to the conspiracy crowd. They just want to believe in something that says the government did it.

When it comes to explosive demolition the proof is just not there. In fact there are demo companies that specifically state on their company website that 911 was not demo. Show one company that supports the explosive demo side of 911.

All you have to support your demo theories are lone wolf indivuduals making a buck at YOUR expense. They sell you a bottle of snake oil to support your beliefs. But by the time you wake up from the hangover they have moved to the next venue.
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Old 28-03-2013, 01:03 PM   #23
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Sorry but the world accepts that steel framed building can come down due to fire alone.
Ask any fire department.
Ask any engineering firm.
Ask any physics department.
Why is it that you cannot get ANY main stream organization to support the conspiracy view?
Firefighters for 9/11 Truth
A&E for 9/11 Truth
Scholars for 9/11 Truth

All skeptics of what went down on 9/11. Ask them what they think. Or do they not count because they're skeptics?

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Which version does Gage support this week? What evidence does he use to prove it was thermite as opposed to cutting charges? There is a lack of evidence in both of those scenerios.
Specifics don't seem to matter to the conspiracy crowd. They just want to believe in something that says the government did it.

When it comes to explosive demolition the proof is just not there. In fact there are demo companies that specifically state on their company website that 911 was not demo. Show one company that supports the explosive demo side of 911.
Where is the evidence from the NIST? You have yet to provide to me 1 hypothetical explanation for the global collapse. NIST couldn't model it but you sure seem confident that they did.


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All you have to support your demo theories are lone wolf indivuduals making a buck at YOUR expense. They sell you a bottle of snake oil to support your beliefs. But by the time you wake up from the hangover they have moved to the next venue.
I've never paid anything to anybody in regards to researching 9/11. Wrong again
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Old 28-03-2013, 04:04 PM   #24
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Sorry but the world accepts that steel framed building can come down due to fire alone.
Ask any fire department.
Ask any engineering firm.
Ask any physics department.
Why is it that you cannot get ANY main stream organization to support the conspiracy view?
Why is it that the conspiracy people cannot come to agreement on how things transpired? Thermite, cutting charges, space lasers, nukes, you name it and some faction of the conspiracy group insist their pet version was the true reason the building came down.

Which version does Gage support this week? What evidence does he use to prove it was thermite as opposed to cutting charges? There is a lack of evidence in both of those scenerios.
Specifics don't seem to matter to the conspiracy crowd. They just want to believe in something that says the government did it.

When it comes to explosive demolition the proof is just not there. In fact there are demo companies that specifically state on their company website that 911 was not demo. Show one company that supports the explosive demo side of 911.

All you have to support your demo theories are lone wolf indivuduals making a buck at YOUR expense. They sell you a bottle of snake oil to support your beliefs. But by the time you wake up from the hangover they have moved to the next venue.
Yeah the world has been told yet another lie and like I said: cowards like you, criminals like the people who work in governments and morons like the general public believe or pretend to believe it.
But you`re just too politically correct and brainwashed for there to be any point talking to you. Just like people of your kind were in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. They believed everything Hitler and Stalin said was the truth too, or pretended to believe it because they were cowards and didn`t want to get shot. The people who knew they were liars were persecuted, just like "conspiracy theorists" are today.
You`re a lackey. nothing more.

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Old 28-03-2013, 04:11 PM   #25
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Did you ever look at the members list(s) of those websites?

Judy Cunningham (AM)
Health Education, Counseling and Rehabilitation

Rose Davis (AM)
Publisher, Indian Voices

Steve De'ak (AM)
Network professional

George-Luis Dewey (AM)
Publisher of Liberty Steward, a Bill of Rights e-magazine

Thaddeus Dombrowski (AM)
Mathematics, Computer science, Software engineering

Karel Donk (AM)
Multimedia and Web Design

Shaun D. Taulbee, MOB, MA (AM)
Masters of Organizational Behavior

Gary Ryan Taylor (AM)
Videographer, Electronic media

Jörgen Thorlund (AM)
Attorney, Sweden

Coco Tralla (AM)
Writer, Speaker, Publisher, Distributor

Paul Tuffery (AM)
Film maker, Videographer, Computer technician

Tom Tvedten (AM)
Family Physician; Medical School instructor; Arkansas 9/11 Truth contact

H. Chris Videll (AM)
Accountant, Financial analyst

These are a few of the members of the Scholars website.
I mean really someone who lists 'indian voices' as qualifications for events on 911?
Just how long would it take for a first year law student to make a mockery of their testimony?
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Old 28-03-2013, 04:53 PM   #26
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Did you ever look at the members list(s) of those websites?

Judy Cunningham (AM)
Health Education, Counseling and Rehabilitation

Rose Davis (AM)
Publisher, Indian Voices

Steve De'ak (AM)
Network professional

George-Luis Dewey (AM)
Publisher of Liberty Steward, a Bill of Rights e-magazine

Thaddeus Dombrowski (AM)
Mathematics, Computer science, Software engineering

Karel Donk (AM)
Multimedia and Web Design

Shaun D. Taulbee, MOB, MA (AM)
Masters of Organizational Behavior

Gary Ryan Taylor (AM)
Videographer, Electronic media

Jörgen Thorlund (AM)
Attorney, Sweden

Coco Tralla (AM)
Writer, Speaker, Publisher, Distributor

Paul Tuffery (AM)
Film maker, Videographer, Computer technician

Tom Tvedten (AM)
Family Physician; Medical School instructor; Arkansas 9/11 Truth contact

H. Chris Videll (AM)
Accountant, Financial analyst

These are a few of the members of the Scholars website.
I mean really someone who lists 'indian voices' as qualifications for events on 911?
Just how long would it take for a first year law student to make a mockery of their testimony?
How sad an individual you truly are. You should be bloody banned from this forum. What you are doing is absolutely disgusting. I wondered why you never posted a link to the source. You visited the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website and instead of posting the "Full Members" details, you instead posted the "Associate Members", knowing that they would not be as qualified. You cherry picked the details and have to run away and hide and manipulate anything that goes against your programmed belief.

So lets post the details of Scholars including the "Full Members" and the other lists aswell shall we, instead of your personal biased cherry picking. There is a massive difference.

http://twilightpines.com/index.php?o...d=37&Itemid=35

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Michael M. Andregg (FM)

Domestic intelligence, Justice and Peace Studies, St. Thomas University, St. Paul, MN

Mark Bamberger, Ph.D. (FM)

Professor of Geology and Environmental Sciences, Miami University and Capital University

Kevin Barrett (FM)

Folklore, UW-Madison; Director, Khidria, Inc.; Founding Member, Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, mujca.com

Philip J. Berg, Esq. (FM)

Attorney at Law, Former Deputy Attorney General, former candidate for Governor, Lt. Governor, and U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania, whose website, 911forthetruth.com, covers the RICO lawsuit that is pending against Bush, Cheney and 53 other Defendantsin Federal Court, Southern District of New York

Joshua Blakeney (FM)
Journalist
9/11 Researcher
9/11 Acitivist

Tracy Blevins (FM)

Bioengineering, Rice University

Robert M. Bowman (FM)

Former Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" Space Defense Programin both Republican and Democratic administrations, and a former Air ForceLieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions

Robert S. Boyer (FM)

Philosophy; Mathematics; Computer Science; University of Texas,Austin

Clare Brandabur (FM)

Assistant Professor of English Literature at Dogus University in Istanbul

Joseph G. Buchman, Ph.D. (FM)

Associate Professor of Marketing, Adams State College

Andreas von Buelow (FM)

Former assistant German defense minister, director of the GermanSecret Service, minister for research and technology, and member of Parliamentfor 25 years

Don Bustion (FM)

Attorney, Adjunct Professor, Southern Arkansas University

John Bylsma (FM)

French language and culture

William A. Cook (FM)

Professor of English, University of La Verne, Author of "Tracking Deception: Bush Mid-East Policy"

Richard Curtis (FM)

Dr. Curtis is an Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at several Seattle area colleges.

Elias Davidsson (FM)

9/11 investigator
Human Rights Activist
International Affairs
Public International Law

Joseph Diaferia (FM)

Political Science and History, State University and City University,New York

Albert Dragstedt (FM)

Classics and Philosophy, St. Mary's College, Oakland, CA

Mike Earl-Taylor (FM)

Criminal Profiling, Investigative and Forensic Psychology,Rhodes University, South Africa

Ted Elden (FM)

Architect, Communicator

Constance Eichenlaub (FM)

Classical Languages
Comparative Literature

James H. Fetzer (FM)

Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, a former Marine Corps officer, author or editor of more than 20 books, and founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Marcus Ford (FM)

Humanities, NAU

Ruth Frankenberg (FM)

American Studies, Cultural Studies, Author of four books

Paul D. Haemig, Ph.D. (FM)

Department of Biology and Environment, Kalmar University, Sweden

Bill Hammel (FM)

Ph.D. Physics at U. Wisconsin, Milwaukee (ret.)

Bruce R. Henry (FM)

Mathematics, Worcester State College

James Hill (FM)

Intellectual property attorney, Radiology, USC School of Medicine

Joel S. Hirschhorn (FM)
Metallurgical Engineering
Materials Engineering
Environmental Education
Political Analysis
Public Policy

Jim Hogue (FM)

MS Theatre, Taught at Community College of Vermont

Robert G. Horn (FM)

Former full-time faculty Department of Pathology, at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine

Charles Hux (FM)

Associate Professor, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School

Mehmet Inan (FM)

Electronics
Industrial Engineering

Don "Four Arrows" Jacobs (FM)

Former Dean of Education, Oglala Lakota College and currently professor of educational leadership at Fielding Graduate University and at Northern Arizona University

Aaron Jones (FM)

Computer Engineering at The University of Illinois - Chicago

Stephen F. LeRoy (FM)

Professor of Economics, University of California, Santa Barbara

Davidson Loehr (FM)

Theology; Philosophy of science; Philosophy of religion

Catherine Lowther (FM)

Goddard College

Jim Marrs (FM)

Author, Researcher, 9/11, JFK, more

Richard McGinn (FM)

Associate Professor Emeritus of Linguistics and Southeast AsianStudies, Ohio University. Former chair of Linguistics (10 years) and Directorof Southeast Asian Studies (4 years) at Ohio University

John McMurtry, Ph.D. (FM)

Professor of Philosophy, University Professor Emeritus Elect,University of Guelph, Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, and the authorof six books dealing with public policy issues

Scott Meredith (FM)

Oriental languages; Theoretical linguistics; Computationallinguistics

Robert Merrill (FM)

Literature and Humanities; Maryland Institute College of Art;Editor, Maisonneuve Press

Donald C. Meserlian (FM)

Forensic engineering
Mechanical engineering
Citizens' Commission Report on 9/11

Ted Micceri (FM)

Statistical Research, Planning and Analysis, University ofSouth Florida

Raymond Munro (FM)

Professor of Theatre, Clark University

Richard C. Murray (FM)

Sociology, George Williams College, Downers Grove, Illinois

Jesus Nieto (FM)

College of Education, San Diego State University

Daniel Orr (FM)

Professor Emeritus, Department of Economics, University ofIllinois

Matthew Orr (FM)

Population Biology, Evolution and Ecology, University of Oregon"Is the War on Terror Fraudulent?"

John Pepper (FM)

Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona

Dale Allen Pfeiffer (FM)

Novelist
Geologist
Science Journalist

Joseph M. Phelps (FM)

MS, PE. Structural Dynamicist (ret.), Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers

Jean-Pierre Petit (FM)

Aeronautics, astrophysics, engineering

Diana Ralph (FM)

Associate Professor Carleton University School of Social Work.Author of Work and Madness: The Rise of Community Psychiatry

Joseph Raso (FM)

Political Science, Comparative and International Politics,State-sponsored terrorism, resourcespc.org

Morgan Reynolds (FM)

Professor of Economics Emeritus, Texas A&M University; former Chief Economist,
Department of Labor, Bush Administration; Director of the Criminal Justice
Center and Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas

Gera Rosy (FM)

Sociology, taught at University of Texas at El Paso and Metropolitan State College in Denver

Christian Schladetsch (FM)

Computer scientist, simulation systems; Lectured at Univ of Queensland

James G. Smart, Ph.D. (FM)

U. S. History Asst. Prof., University of Chattanooga, TN then Assoc Prof, Professor, Keene State College, Keene, NH (now Prof. emeritus)

Kenneth Sowden (FM)

Mathematics, West Hills Community College

David Sprintzen (FM)

Professor Emeritus of Philosophy, Long Island Progressive Coalition, Citizen Action of New York

Morgan Stack (FM)

Accounting, Finance & Information Systems, University College Cork (UCC), Ireland. Co-founder of the Irish 9/11 Truth Movement

Robert J. Stern (FM)

Associate Prof. of Mathematics, Pellissippi State Technical Community College

Webster Griffin Tarpley (FM)

President, Washington Grove Institute Government-sponsoredterror, Author, "9/11 Synthetic Terror"

Martin Walter (FM)

Professor, Mathematics, University of Colorado at Boulder

Richard Welser (FM)

Psychology, Neuropsychology, Philosophy of Science

Grant Williams (FM)

Commercial construction with emphasis on seismic and structural engineering

Gerhard Wisnewski (FM)

Political scientist; Author of "Das RAF-Phantom", "Operation 9/11", "Aktenzeichen 11.9. ungeloest" (Case 9/11 Unsolved), "Mythos 9/11" and (forthcoming), "Verschlusssache Terror" (The secret files of terror)

William Woodward (FM)

Psychology, Political Psychology, University of New Hampshire

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Joe E. Adams (AM)

Active American

Michael Allen (AM)

Doctoral Candidate
Department of Education
University of New Hampshire

Garry Anaquod (AM)

Sessional instructor, First Nations University of Canada

Gary Anderson (AM)

Plant molecular genetics, Indiana University

James Arft (AM)

America First Party

Gwendolyn Atwood (AM)

Clinical psychologist, Ed.D., Harvard University

John C. Austin (AM)

Juris Doctorate; Music publishing; Radio broadcasting

Steve Baer (AM)

Solar energy, Manufacturing

Whitney Baron (AM)

Philosophy, Psychology, Protest Music

Kenneth Bauman (AM)

Law enforcement, Explosives detection, Railroad detective (retired), Author of "Leaves of Lavendered Lily"

Mark L. Beauchamp, MD (AM)

Physician

Steve Bishop (AM)

Information Technology

John Blacker (AM)

Physical systems
Renewable energy
Science correspondent

Ray Bock (AM)

Systems analyst (ret). BA Economics and MA in Education

Len Bracken (AM)

Credentialed Journalist, Graduate of GWU's Elliott School ofInternational Affairs, Author of "Shadow Government: 9/11 and State Terror"

Jordan Brewster (AM)

Conspiracies

James Roger Brown (AM)

Director, The Sociology Center; Congressional Evidence BookAuthor

D'Anne Burley (AM)

Talk Show Host, Truthradio,RBNLIVE.COM

Bill Carlson (AM)

Webmaster, groups.yahoo.com/group/wrh/

Don Childs (AM)

Aviation Mechanic
Air Transport Pilot

Thom Clark (AM)

Registered geologist, Environmental geologist

Mike Cogan (AM)

Computer professional

Muhammad Columbo (AM)

Graduate Engineer electronics wide industrial experience

Michael Copass (AM)

Microbiology, Vaccinology, Immunology

Patrick B. Cottrell (AM)

Graduate of the University of Notre Dame (Electrical Engineering) and Saint Anselm College (Liberal Arts)

Judy Cunningham (AM)

Health Education, Counseling and Rehabilitation

Rose Davis (AM)

Publisher, Indian Voices

Steve De'ak (AM)

Network professional

George-Luis Dewey (AM)

Publisher of Liberty Steward, a Bill of Rights e-magazine

Thaddeus Dombrowski (AM)

Mathematics, Computer science, Software engineering

Karel Donk (AM)

Multimedia and Web Design

Eric Douglas (AM)

New York City architect Chair of the Independent Peer ReviewCommitte for the NIST WTC Reports at nistreview.org

Curtis T. Dunlap (AM)

Weather forecaster, Global Hawk technology

John Ekonomou (AM)

Attorney at Law

Ronald Feintech (AM)

Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska, Licensed Psychologist

Scott Fenton (AM)

Physics, Chemistry, Information Technology

Joel Ferrell (AM)

Pilot, Aeronautical engineer, physics911.net/spine.htm

Paul Fortunato (AM)

Graphic designer

Robert Fritzius (AM)

Electrical Engineering, Radar and telecommunications

Craig T. Furlong (AM)

Quantitative Methods, Business Administration

Cathy Garger (AM)

Freelance Writer, Motivational Speaker

Kenyon Gibson (AM)

Former US Naval Intelligence, author of "Common Sense: A Study of the Bushes, the CIA and the Suspicions Regarding 9/11" (2003, in Arabic)and of "Hemp for Victory" (2006)

Gordon Ginn (AM)

Motives behind attack

Sean Glazier (AM)

Software engineering

Donald Theodore Grahn (AM)

TV Producer, "All-ways Pursuing Truth", Public Access TV, Seattle

Rick Guerard (AM)

Journeyman ironworker, Industrial maintenance

Dan Hamburg (AM)

Former US Representative; Author, Headwaters Forest Act; ExecutiveDirector, VOTE Action Committee

Mia Hamel (AM)

Broadcaster

David Hastings (AM)

Boilermaker, Shipbuilder, Blacksmith Forger

Jesse Hemingway (AM)

Author of "Friendly Fire on Holy Grounds"

Rodger Herbst (AM)

777 and 787 Aeronautics, Flight Controls and Simulation Engineering

Eric Hermanson (AM)

Engineering Physics, Nuclear Engineering, Software Architect

John Herold (AM)

Studio Art
Computer Consultant
Communication Studies

T. Mark Hightower (AM)

BS, MS Chemical Engineering
Member of AIChE (American institute for Chemical Engineers) & AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics)

Michael Himes (AM)

Paralegal, witness to 9/11

Jim Hogue (AM)

Radio talk show host, WGDR in Vermont

James F. Holwell (AM)

Mathematics, Communication

Nick Hull (AM)

Particle Physics, geocities.com/CapitolHill/

Wade Inganamort (AM)

Writer, Webmaster, Awoken Research Group

Nick Irving (AM)

Audio Engineeer
Website Manager
Musician (singer, songwriter)

Richard T. Jeroloman (AM)

International law; Intellectual property; Electronic engineering

Debbie Johnson (AM)

Writer, Editor, Proofreader

Doug Kabourek (AM)

WTC album, Singer and songwriter

Klaus Kapr (AM)

Education
Public Administration
International Relations

Malcom Kirkman (AM)

LLB Hons (Law degree with honours, UK)

Peter Kirsh (AM)

Forensic pathologist

Robert Klassen (AM)

Editor, Freelance writer, Critical care respiratory therapy

Rebecca R. Kline (AM)

Teacher, Journalist

Kent Knudson (AM)

Systems Engineering

Paul Landis (AM)

Industrial engineering, Author of "A Real 9/11 Commission"

Jerry Leaphart (AM)

Activist lawyer, Amateur Philosopher, Quaker peacenik

Greg Lemon (AM)

Animation, Simulation, Special Effects

John Leonard (AM)

Publicist, linguist and Publisher, Master of BusinessAdministration

Jerry Liebler (AM)

Electrical Engineering, Metal fabrication and welding

Davidson Loehr (AM)

Minister

Stevan Douglas Looney (AM)

Attorney

Wayne Madsen (AM)

Investigative journalist and syndicated columnist, a formercommunications security analyst with NSA and a former intelligence officerin the USMC and a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center

Michael Maguire (AM)

Mechanical engineering, Aeronatutical engineering, Prognostic Health Monitoring

Gene Maier (AM)

Corporate controller

Arno Mansouri (AM)

Publisher at Editions Demi-Lune in Paris, France

Eric Martineau (AM)

VP of Web Operations

David Masdon (AM)

Electrical Engineering

Thomas J. Mattingly (AM)

9/11 Literary Agent Member, McClendon Group, The National Press Club

Brad Mayeux (AM)

RF Engineering, 911review.org

John McCarthy (AM)

johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com

David McGowan (AM)

Author and lecturer

Jack McLamb (AM)

Founder, American Citizens & Lawmen Association
Publisher, Aid & Abet Police/Military Newsletter
Board Member, Police Against the New World Order

Scott Meredith (AM)

Theoretical Linguistics, High technology 21 years

Peter Meyer (AM)

Computational physics, computer programmer, software developer, creator of the Serendipity web site (serendipity.li) and of the Hermetic Systems web site (hermetic.ch)

Melissa Miles-Wallace (AM)

Environmental Biologist

Paul Andrew Mitchell (AM)

Federal witness; Criminal investigator; Private attorney general

Dennis "galen" Mitrzyk (AM)

Physics and math, Business administration

Max J. Mizejewski (AM)

Retired US Army combat veteran. Served as helicopter pilot in Viet Nam

Tony Morgan (AM)

BA, teaching in Japan

Foster Morrison (AM)

Forecasting, Dynamic Modeling

Jeff Moskin (AM)

Private pilot, Electronics engineer, Certified flight instructor

Ted Muga (AM)

Naval aviator; Commercial pilot; Structural engineering

Shane Mulligan (AM)

Philosophy, Political Theory, International Relations, InternationalDevelopment

Nori J. Muster (AM)

Author

Nicholas Newton (AM)

Astrophysics, Simulation Models

David A. Nolan (AM)

Writing, Research, Web Development

Chris North (AM)

Police Officer, London Metropolitan Police/New, Scotland Yard, retired, Homeland Security/Counter, Terrorism/Civil Defence

RC Oliver, Jr. (AM)

Chief Engineer

Alfons Olszewski (AM)

Webmaster, freedomisforeverybody.org

Ralph Omholt (AM)

Former airline captain; http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/how.htm

Larry Patriarca (AM)

Aviation structural mechanic, entrepreneur, Navy service

Lawrence Patriarca (AM)

Organizer of the Central Mass 9/11 Truth Alliance group

Scott Piper (AM)

Documentary Filmmaker

Scott Piper (AM)

Physics

Joe Plummer (AM)

StopTheLie.com

Lori Price (AM)

General Manager, Citizens For Legitimate Government; Writer/editor, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon University

Benjamin Pritchard (AM)

Software Engineer, 911TruthEmergence.com

Michael Provost (AM)

Independent film maker

Kevin Quirk (AM)

Author of "A Writer's Eye", Former journalist

Carter W. Rae (AM)

Biology, Chemistry, Dentistry

Craig Ranke (AM)

9/11 researcher/activist

Guy Razer (AM)

Lieutenant Colonel, USAF Retired

Paul Robins (AM)

Electronics, Aerospace products

Rein A. Roos (AM)

Airborne Dust and Aerosol Specialist

Gordon Ross (AM)

Mechanical engineering, Production engineering

Adam Rosszay (AM)

B.S. in Computer Engineering

Harlan Ryerson (AM)

Blacksmith

Vincent Salandria (AM)

Attorney at Law
JFK investigator
Civil Rights Activist

Michael Sansone (AM)

Master of Arts in English, Film and Media Studies

Michael Schmidt (AM)

Project engineer, Project manager, Highway construction

Daniel Schnizing (AM)

Author

E. Martin Schotz (AM)

Psychiatrist, Citizen Historian

Val Scott (AM)

General manager, Executive director, Chief executive officer,Labor, management, employee organizations

Keith Shannon (AM)

Web design, Hardware/software troubleshooting

Rick Siegel (AM)

911eyewitness.com, 911eyewitness.com/truth

Gunter Skupin (AM)

Audio engineer, computer engineer, volunteer firefighter

Neil Slade (AM)

film/video maker, author, artist, musical composer, concertperformer

Jimmy Smith (AM)

Communications Engineering

Tom Spellman (AM)

Civil engineering, architecture, non-profits, activism

Leonard Spencer (AM)

Twin Towers Attack, The Pentagon Attack, serendipity.li

Donald E. Stahl (AM)

MA in philosophy

Jacob G. Stansbury, Jr. (AM)

FSLIC and FDIC; members.cox.net/damor1/

Scott Star (AM)

Senior Digital Imaging Specialist

Stephen M. St. John (AM)

Author, An Eight-Part Peace Proposal for Greater Jerusalem;
Open Letters about 9/11 to the Attorney General of the USA
Michael B. Mukasey; web site: http://www.show-the-house.com/

Rob Steinhofer (AM)

Local Milwaukee Grassroots Contact Person for 911Truth.org,Local Milwaukee Coordinator for MUJCA.net (Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliancefor 911 Truth)

Harry Stottle (AM)

Philosopher, Author, Computer Consultant, Inventor. IT Directorof the Codel Project. Specialist in authentication and related issues.

Shaun D. Taulbee, MOB, MA (AM)

Masters of Organizational Behavior

Gary Ryan Taylor (AM)

Videographer, Electronic media

Jörgen Thorlund (AM)

Attorney, Sweden

Coco Tralla (AM)

Writer, Speaker, Publisher, Distributor

Paul Tuffery (AM)

Film maker, Videographer, Computer technician

Tom Tvedten (AM)

Family Physician; Medical School instructor; Arkansas 9/11 Truth contact

H. Chris Videll (AM)

Accountant, Financial analyst

Jack White (AM)

Photoanalyst

David Whyte (AM)

Psychology
Sociology
Politics

Edgar Williams (AM)

Statistics, Computer Science, Database Management

Larry Winfrey (AM)

Network engineer

Judson Witham (AM)

Civil Rights Laws; High Rise/Mid Rise/Low Rise Construction/demolition

Ian Woods (AM)

Publisher and Editor of Global Outlook (the Magazine of 9/11Truth); president of S.I.F.T. - Skeptics Inquiry For Truth (aka 911inquiry.org)

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Economics, Chemical Engineering, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

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Gothenburg International Bioscience Business School, Sweden

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Music, University of Minnesota, Twin Cities

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Psychology, Telecommunications

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Biology, Indiana University

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Compute science, Indiana Univesity of Pennsyvania

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Business, Salt Lake Community College, Utah, Webmaster 911TruthSeekers.org

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Did you ever look at the members list(s) of those websites?

Judy Cunningham (AM)
Health Education, Counseling and Rehabilitation

Rose Davis (AM)
Publisher, Indian Voices

Steve De'ak (AM)
Network professional

George-Luis Dewey (AM)
Publisher of Liberty Steward, a Bill of Rights e-magazine

Thaddeus Dombrowski (AM)
Mathematics, Computer science, Software engineering

Karel Donk (AM)
Multimedia and Web Design

Shaun D. Taulbee, MOB, MA (AM)
Masters of Organizational Behavior

Gary Ryan Taylor (AM)
Videographer, Electronic media

Jörgen Thorlund (AM)
Attorney, Sweden

Coco Tralla (AM)
Writer, Speaker, Publisher, Distributor

Paul Tuffery (AM)
Film maker, Videographer, Computer technician

Tom Tvedten (AM)
Family Physician; Medical School instructor; Arkansas 9/11 Truth contact

H. Chris Videll (AM)
Accountant, Financial analyst

These are a few of the members of the Scholars website.
I mean really someone who lists 'indian voices' as qualifications for events on 911?
Just how long would it take for a first year law student to make a mockery of their testimony?


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Ask any fire department.
Ask any engineering firm.
Ask any physics department.
Why is it that you cannot get ANY main stream organization to support the conspiracy view?
Oh okay so now you're judging particular individuals within the groups I named. Perhaps it's because you're most definitely wrong by saying "any".
Do you even understand how certain you're trying to sound about this? I have seen you bash Richard Gage for not explaining in detail a controlled demolition and yet the NIST could not provide a detailed model of the global collapse despite it being "inevitable".

As far as law students and testimonies, the NIST investigation cannot be used in ANY court case.


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The National Construction Safety Team Act (H.R. 4687), signed into law October 1, 2002, authorizes the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) to establish investigative teams to assess building performance and emergency response and evacuation procedures in the wake of any building failure that has resulted in substantial loss of life or that posed significant potential of substantial loss of life.

Its investigations may not consider findings of fault, responsibility, or negligence and "No part of any report resulting from such investigation, or from an investigation under the National Construction Safety Team Act, shall be admitted as evidence or used in any suit or action for damages arising out of any matter mentioned in such report." [2] To date, the NCST has chosen not to exercise its subpoena authority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...afety_Team_Act
How convenient that this Act was passed right as the NIST was investigating the collapse of all 3 buildings. SUCH A COINCIDENCE!

So nobody in the world can refute the NIST's investigation in a court of law. There will never be a Richard Gage vs. NIST in court nor anybody else for that matter.

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You might all find this thread, and in particular this recent post I made in it, informative with respect to the issues raised in this thread; the part under the map in that post there is what I am referring to explicitly here but you'll most likely need to read the rest of that thread for context.
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Old 28-03-2013, 05:28 PM   #30
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Oh okay so now you're judging particular individuals within the groups I named. Perhaps it's because you're most definitely wrong by saying "any".
Do you even understand how certain you're trying to sound about this? I have seen you bash Richard Gage for not explaining in detail a controlled demolition and yet the NIST could not provide a detailed model of the global collapse despite it being "inevitable".

As far as law students and testimonies, the NIST investigation cannot be used in ANY court case.




How convenient that this Act was passed right as the NIST was investigating the collapse of all 3 buildings. SUCH A COINCIDENCE!

So nobody in the world can refute the NIST's investigation in a court of law. There will never be a Richard Gage vs. NIST in court nor anybody else for that matter.
[My emphasis] - interestingly I happen to know that there are people at ae911truth looking into the prospect of such legal action. I am aware of this because I have evidence of previous, unrelated fraud that NIST can clearly be shown to have been involved in. I shall be cryptic here but if you read the thread I linked to above, in particular my most recent (at the time of typing this) post there, and then consider what kind of other areas NIST might be involved in, you might be able to make some guesses
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Old 28-03-2013, 06:25 PM   #31
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@samkent

Absolute bollox just like everything else that you have posted.

Back to reality - Read the entire list instead of the pathetic cherry picking. There are tons of highly qualified professionals in many different fields. Ignoring and dodging them doesnt make them disappear from reality.

What are your qualifications in the field by the way?

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Old 28-03-2013, 06:32 PM   #32
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@samkent


Funny how you didn't nitpick at Firefighters For 9/11 Truth & A&E 9/11.
Why is that?

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Old 28-03-2013, 06:53 PM   #33
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Funny how you didn't nitpick at Firefighters For 9/11 Truth & A&E 9/11.
Why is that?
Because I haven't had time.
I play here between repair jobs.

I did look at a&e once and their list didn't look any better.
Why don't have have two lists? The main one with professionals in the revevant fields. Then one with supporters.
Hint: The main one would be verrrry short.
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Old 28-03-2013, 06:56 PM   #34
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Please accept my advance apologies for digression from the topic of the OP.

I have read a few in depth descriptions and discussions on this forum about the methods used by "shills and dis-info agents." Until now, I could have said that this was fanciful. Now, I'm not so sure. This could be a textbook example, going on right before ny eyes! Hats off to the OP and others who haven't let it work. Come to think of it, it appears so blatant that it might even be counter productive.

To Samkent; If you truly have no ulterior motive, other than an honest desire for truth to prevail, then I apologise for making this comparison. It is just uncanny how like dis-info this appears, though. I see that you have a strong interest in de-bunking 911 "truther theories", as that is all you have done since you arrived (welcome to the forum!). Fair enough. While you are here, please accept the invitation to explore some of the other areas of dicussion on the David Icke forum. It's a pretty deep rabbit hole. Who knows how deep it goes?

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Old 28-03-2013, 07:14 PM   #35
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Everything samkent posts is made up nonsense. A&E have several different sections for professionals and supporters. Ignore every post from this guy folks. 100% Shill.

http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

1820 verified Architects/Engineers and 16,789 other supporters and all in different sections. Far too many names to copy here so go to link above.

Sections

Architects
(Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired)

Architectural Professionals
(Degreed Only)

Engineers
(Degreed & Licensed – Active & Retired)

Engineering Professionals
(Degreed Only)

Non-U.S. Architects and Engineers & Architectural and Engineering Professionals


http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php?o=1

Supporters and A&E Students - This one conatins 85 pages and counting.

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Old 28-03-2013, 07:16 PM   #36
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Because I haven't had time.
I play here between repair jobs.

I did look at a&e once and their list didn't look any better.
Why don't have have two lists? The main one with professionals in the revevant fields. Then one with supporters.
Hint: The main one would be verrrry short.
Oh okay well when you have time I'd like to see you nitpick all of those and tell us how professionals architects, engineers, and firefighters are completely unqualified to refute the OS. (Please tell us what you think constitutes as qualified since your standards seem to be the only ones that count)

I know the qualifications to back up the OS requires ignoring all blatant anomalies but in terms of refuting the OS I'm a little confused on who qualifies.
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Didn`t collapse. But I forgot, you`re not interested in reality!
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This is not a detonation squib. It`s the fire twenty stories above. Honest it is!. Would the Nazi US government lie to you!?
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Destroying the evidence, part 1.
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Destroying the evidence, part 2.
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