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Old 19-07-2014, 04:55 PM   #1
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Hi all..

I've been researching for so long, and although I have accepted that in pre-Islamic Arabia they depicted Allah to be a "moon-God."

However, the description in the Quran points to them (the Arabs then) that they should not pray to the Moon or the Sun but pray to the one who created them, and he's the "King," of all there is. In addition, reading the Quranic story of Abraham (in the Quran Chapter 6 - Al-An'aam verse 75-79) teaching his people why he'd not take the Moon and Sun as the Absolute (God, Creator) and then he tells them his god is the Creator, makes more sense that it's obviously contradicting the idea that moon is considered the God.

Yes, it's true that there are many verses that points to the moon, but there are also many other verses that points to the stars in the sky as well as the sun, but whenever these verses are mentioned they point to how their powers and sources are creations of God subjugated for us within this reality.

So, if indeed it is so, then I can only explain is that Islam/Quran understands that stars, moon, sun, and so on tend to effect, and that it does utilities their power. Such as when Muslims are required to fast in Ramadan which has to do with the phases of the moon.

Secondly, it seems that what Icke explains as all there is and "All possibility" the Infinite-Consciousness, is almost relatively similar to the Sufi and many ancient cultures describe as to what Absolute God.

Here is the main and obvious Quranic verse (translation from Arabic) regarding taking the moon as the God:
"The night and day; the sun and the moon; are (only) some of His prodigies. So do not bow before the sun and the moon, but bow in homage to God who created them, if you truly worship Him."
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Old 19-07-2014, 05:16 PM   #2
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does it matter? the quran is a fairy tale.
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Old 19-07-2014, 05:18 PM   #3
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Hi all..

I've been researching for so long, and although I have accepted that in pre-Islamic Arabia they depicted Allah to be a "moon-God."

However, the description in the Quran points to them (the Arabs then) that they should not pray to the Moon or the Sun but pray to the one who created them, and he's the "King," of all there is. In addition, reading the Quranic story of Abraham (in the Quran Chapter 6 - Al-An'aam verse 75-79) teaching his people why he'd not take the Moon and Sun as the Absolute (God, Creator) and then he tells them his god is the Creator, makes more sense that it's obviously contradicting the idea that moon is considered the God.

Yes, it's true that there are many verses that points to the moon, but there are also many other verses that points to the stars in the sky as well as the sun, but whenever these verses are mentioned they point to how their powers and sources are creations of God subjugated for us within this reality.

So, if indeed it is so, then I can only explain is that Islam/Quran understands that stars, moon, sun, and so on tend to effect, and that it does utilities their power. Such as when Muslims are required to fast in Ramadan which has to do with the phases of the moon.

Secondly, it seems that what Icke explains as all there is and "All possibility" the Infinite-Consciousness, is almost relatively similar to the Sufi and many ancient cultures describe as to what Absolute God.

Here is the main and obvious Quranic verse (translation from Arabic) regarding taking the moon as the God:
"The night and day; the sun and the moon; are (only) some of His prodigies. So do not bow before the sun and the moon, but bow in homage to God who created them, if you truly worship Him."
The beings on the Moon with superior intelligence to Humans, would never want to take responsibility for the Human disgrace!
When Humans first met with those on the Moon, the occupiers were very wary, because they know what a bunch of dickheads Humans are!
Allah is not the true God creator! The Reptilian God/creator, is the true creator!
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Old 19-07-2014, 06:23 PM   #4
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It is possible. When you think that one Hebrew name for God is Jah, and the Egyptians had a moon god by that name it could tie in.
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Old 20-07-2014, 02:17 PM   #5
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It is possible. When you think that one Hebrew name for God is Jah, and the Egyptians had a moon god by that name it could tie in.
it's not that
Jahbulon, I am I
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Old 20-07-2014, 04:34 PM   #6
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does it matter? the quran is a fairy tale.
ok maybe fairytale is too strong a word unless you take allah to be the creator god. that would be a fairy tale thinking all started with allah.

cresent moons and moon god...hmmm....nannar. enlil's son. that might not be a fairy tale....
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ok maybe fairytale is too strong a word unless you take allah to be the creator god. that would be a fairy tale thinking all started with allah.

cresent moons and moon god...hmmm....nannar. enlil's son. that might not be a fairy tale....
part of the problem that the abrahamics have is that they insist on calling 'god' by his job description, rather than his name.
the bible, translated to arabic, uses "allah" to replace "god."

"allah" just means "god."
(job description)
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Jahbulon is not a name of God. It is a composite word
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Old 20-07-2014, 06:38 PM   #9
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Jahbulon is not a name of God. It is a composite word
a composite word meaning what?
regardless, what's silly, all the rituals, the practice, the secrecy around it and for what
to get to step one in other more open more loving spiritual clubs, like advaita, where one learns on the first lesson that "you are God"
very nice indeed and what can one do with it
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a composite word meaning what?
regardless, what's silly, all the rituals, the practice, the secrecy around it and for what
to get to step one in other more open more loving spiritual clubs, like advaita, where one learns on the first lesson that "you are God"
very nice indeed and what can one do with it
lol, sounds like a nice cosy little group. Free tea and cakes at meetings?

I think that any teaching that doesn't need to be guarded is probably due to it lacking any real power to transform on more than a superficial level. In India, Tibet, Nepal, etc. people may spend a very long time trying to gain the trust of a guru in order to have teachings transmitted to them. Do you think that people would go to such lengths if such things could be given over tea and biscuits?

Anything that has the power to real mess your life up or that of another person should be guarded against people who would want such knowledge for their own gain or people who are just curious or thrill seekers.
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Old 20-07-2014, 10:20 PM   #11
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lol, sounds like a nice cosy little group. Free tea and cakes at meetings?

I think that any teaching that doesn't need to be guarded is probably due to it lacking any real power to transform on more than a superficial level. In India, Tibet, Nepal, etc. people may spend a very long time trying to gain the trust of a guru in order to have teachings transmitted to them. Do you think that people would go to such lengths if such things could be given over tea and biscuits?

Anything that has the power to real mess your life up or that of another person should be guarded against people who would want such knowledge for their own gain or people who are just curious or thrill seekers.
people spending a long time trying to gain the trust of gurus?
that's hysterical
either some false guru playing the game or a true guru doing some motivation work stick and carrot style cause that's the only way to deal with some people.
the truth is out in the open, all the "secret" techniques
even so, totally useless to an untrained mind
don't worry about truth falling in the wrong hands
truth can take care of itself just fine, it's like a broken Alladin's lamp for whomever couldn't be trusted with it
people who want knowledge for their own gain? what's wrong with that unless they intend to hurt others in the process - and that's impossible when truth is involved
thrill seekers playing with truth? again, what's wrong with that, everyone has the right to enjoy themselves and have the nicest time possible, agree?
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people spending a long time trying to gain the trust of gurus?
that's hysterical
either some false guru playing the game or a true guru doing some motivation work stick and carrot style cause that's the only way to deal with some people.
the truth is out in the open, all the "secret" techniques
even so, totally useless to an untrained mind
don't worry about truth falling in the wrong hands
truth can take care of itself just fine, it's like a broken Alladin's lamp for whomever couldn't be trusted with it
people who want knowledge for their own gain? what's wrong with that unless they intend to hurt others in the process - and that's impossible when truth is involved
thrill seekers playing with truth? again, what's wrong with that, everyone has the right to enjoy themselves and have the nicest time possible, agree?
Well it would seem you are an expert on the entire world.
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Well it would seem you are an expert on the entire world.
and if I were, then good for me, why should you feel bothered
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