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Old 25-03-2011, 11:35 AM   #21
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cool, (comma) for the reasons I listed...that's why sport is cool to me.
Gets people together, releases the endorphins. I'm talking about doing sport not watching it.
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Old 25-03-2011, 11:43 AM   #22
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yes, good points Flint

these men are INVESTING THIER EMOTIONAL ENERGY in another male

clearly not a healthy behaviour for grown 'men', little boys have 'heros' like superman or bat(y)man, grown men should not INVEST thier EMOTIONAL ENERGY in the actions of other males , that is just wrong on so many levels
Good advice that.

Never really thought about it in that way before.

But yes - the actions of other men - should not concern someone who is their own man.

Why get all emotional over other men for ?

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Old 25-03-2011, 11:55 AM   #23
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But what did you actually ACHIEVE?
Achieving in the sense of getting towards the goal of winning with the team and my teammates.

Did I get money? NO.

Did I get fame? NO.

But I wasnt looking for that in the first place.

Ultimately we played for fun, and we wouldnt scream desperate or kill ourselves if we didnt win, but hell, if you`re playing a sport what better thing than wanting to win? Am I competitive? yes. But I wouldnt grab a depression or go crazy if I lost. Ive lost many times and just tried to play better next time and overcome myself, no big deal and moving on.

All this talk about professional sports and some people being too fanatic about them, money...etc is true, and I agree with what flint said. People shouldnt be so obsessed with their team winning and so on...

But real sports has nothing to do with that. Real basketball, or football or whatever its what is played in the play-ground with your friends, creating teams, meeting people and having fun (while at the same time winning if you can), well thats the real spirit of sports. Nothing more nothing less.

And people are free to like them (just as long as they dont fall into fanatism), nobody should go around telling others what they should like or dislike.

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Old 25-03-2011, 12:25 PM   #24
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The concept of people being either mostly "winners " or "losers" is totally idiotic and usually promoted by people who are struggling to feel secure in thier identity

applying labels to oneself such as 'winner' or 'loser' is just adding an extension to one's EGO or FALSE SELF

A man who is in control of his EGO (self image) and thus at one with his SELF or SOUL has no need to apply such 'titles' to himself

"I'm a winner"

"I'm a PROFESSIONAL"

"I'm an ARTIST"

"I'm a good mother"

THESE ARE ALL JUST LABELS WE OR OTRHERS TRY TO STICK ON US (OOPS caps)

How many REAL LIFE (not 'sport') interactions or events can really have an outcome that could be regarded as 'winning'?

I suppose that depends on the individual and if they feel that they are in competition with others all the time.
A competetive attitude blights so many males , I just find it tedious, I don';t feel the need to constantly compare myself with other males and engineer situations to prove to myself that I am a 'winner' , so why do so many males do this?
because they are mentally ill and have LOW SELF ESTEEM.
I give them no time and no energy, they can join a 'sport' team if they need reassurance, I will not give it to them .

This is why I find the majority of males so tedious that I just have no patience with them.



People who refer to themselves as 'winners' always remind me of the scene in TV hospital sit-com 'Scrubs' when the blonde doctor ask the janitor if he ever feels like life was getting on top of him

the janitor replies "I'm a winner"




I knew this one guy, Sinclair Eiloart, A filthy drug dealing thief , snide little 'public schoolboy' who had a lot of money. His wealthy family, drug dealing and general theivery made him a good income but still he would HAVE to 'WIN' and 'PROFIT' from EVERY single interaction with another human being.
He would HAVE to get 'ONE UP' at all times
Even thoiugh he had a lot of cash he would steal from shops all the time, batteries, sweets, anything just so he FELT like he had 'WON' against whichever supermarket he was in

He was risking getting caught and losing his drug dealing business just for a few batteries or whatever but he couldn'e help himself, it was a CLEPTOMANIA, he just had to 'WIN', it wasn't enough to have plenty of money to buy whatever he wanted to eat, no he had to get 'one up' on the shop

I know, totally batshit crazy

I blame his upbringing in a hyper competetive 'public school' (that's a private or POSH school to the americans) and his judaic family upbringing.
he LOVED usury, he would always charge £10 'fee' if people bought an ounce on 'credit'. A real dirty snide usurer

he would laugh and brag about how he sold people garbage contaminated cannabis, he would think it was great that he had got one over on them. And these were the people who thought he was a friend




REgarding 'sport' .....

'sport' is all about KILLING TIME, it is an INDUSTRY built on the need for dull and boring (thus bored) people to MURDER THIER DAY

The outcome of ALL 'sports' is of no importance , that is one of the defining charachteristics of 'sport', at the end of the 'game'/'match'/'tournament'/'season' you press the RESET BUTTON and all is voided.
You can't carry it with you whatever you 'gained' last season, the whole point of the game was to MURDER the day AND/or get sweaty and semi naked with a load of people of the same sex!!!

Don't start me about the idiots who call 'skateboarding' a 'sport'

it's not a 'sport' , it's a toy
OK B...you've raised a couple of points that I wanted to look at in the first post but chose not to.

The concept of 'winning and losing' - it's related to 'good fortune and bad fortune'. If a couple break up, from the narrow perspective it was "bad luck" - but it may well be good fortune because they can both grow as people having learnt from their time with each other.

What do they call sports at school? Games. Well, they did when I was at school. I used to love having sprint races or playing football with friends at school and the buzz was in trying to beat each other. I can relate to the passion that participants and supporters have. But it's entertainment, not life and death - this I can also relate to. However, passion and drama are big business - lots of people want that adrenalin rush. It's just being able to switch it off that they have problems with! And we get all these sports channels who discuss it all day.

Competition is something that we can't get away from. Personally, I don't think about my 'competitors' in my field but I do know that if I don't keep my skills honed, someone else will get the gigs.
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Old 25-03-2011, 12:27 PM   #25
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As much as footballers get paid crazy amounts of money and all the rest, I still like sport. My period is the 70s though. And I'm looking forward to The Grand National in a fortnight.
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I used to love having sprint races or playing football with friends at school and the buzz was in trying to beat each other.
Exactly, it was a "buzz" , a 'HIT' of chemicals , dopamines and the like that are released in your brain that you experience as a "buzz" or emotion

Just like i could smoke a bowl of herbs to trigger a chemical release, just like the 'fix' one gets from a cigarette or watching a 'scary movie' or looking at pornography, all these things TRIGGER a release of chemicals

but that is NOT any kind of 'achievement'

so it is not a real 'win', as the 'opposition' is all an act, the 'sport' teams are only on competition for the game, thus they cannot really 'win' in any way that impacts thier real life existance

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not so, I am not currently in competition with anyone

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Personally, I don't think about my 'competitors' in my field but I do know that if I don't keep my skills honed, someone else will get the gigs.
But that is not 'competition' because however the "someone else" tries to 'better' or even emulate you, he will not be Imani

Even if he does the exact same music as you , even if Keith Jarrett started doing 'Bollywood piano' , he would still not be 'competition' and he could not 'win'

You do not have ANY competitors in your 'field' because your 'field' is being Imani, whatever that means, 'Bollywood pianist', 'composer', 'performer', 'singer' , 'lyricist' , etc

the 'thing' that you do cannot be reduced to the mere technical aspects or even the 'material' itself, the 'thing' that you do is ALL THAT YOU ARE, every experience, thought , post you read on D.I.F, all these things shape the 'thing' that you do , not how 'proficient' or 'prolific' some other musician is

I have no 'competition' as I am not competing

there is no one else to compete with

I am the ONLY man in my field

My 'field' is being me

Even if some deluded fool tries his best to compete with me, he cannot 'win , nor can he 'lose' , he is not me , thus he is not in my 'field'

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And I'm looking forward to The Grand National in a fortnight.
nothing like strapping a tiny man to the back of a horse and paying him to beat it with a whip to make it run while grown men risk thier money to see which tiny man can whip which horse enough so that it reaches some arbitary goal

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Old 25-03-2011, 01:00 PM   #27
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Achieving in the sense of getting towards the goal of winning with the team and my teammates.

Did I get money? NO.

Did I get fame? NO.

But I wasnt looking for that in the first place.
So, given that "winning with the team and my teammates" is NOT an "achievement" and only a means of triggering your body to release 'feelgood' chemicals, dopamines and the like.....

What , if anything did you actually ACHIEVE?

"winning with the team and my teammates" is only a 'gain' if you have set yourself the abstract goal of "winning with the team and my teammates"

it's like me setting myself the goal of not stepping on the cracks in the pavement all day and feeling like I've 'achieved' something when I make it to 6pm without stepping on any cracks.
really I have just wasted a lot more time when going about my day and the 'acheivement' is purely imagined like a sporting 'win'
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Sport is cool,
Define "cool"
cool, (comma) for the reasons I listed...that's why sport is cool to me.
Gets people together, releases the endorphins. I'm talking about doing sport not watching it.
No, I didn't ask you WHY you think it is "cool"

I asked you to DEFINE "cool"

what does "cool" actually mean TO YOU?

to some people it means sharp suits and muted trumpets

to some it means driving really fast cars (on hot days)

what does "cool" actually mean TO YOU?

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Gets people together, releases the endorphins. I'm talking about doing sport not watching it.
thats all good. I get what you mean about DOING it rather than watching, a few minutes every day kicking a ball around is good for co-ordination and it is good to run and raise the heart rate above usual every day, i am totally with you on the health benefit of doing a physical 'sport' .

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Exactly, it was a "buzz" , a 'HIT' of chemicals , dopamines and the like that are released in your brain that you experience as a "buzz" or emotion

Just like i could smoke a bowl of herbs to trigger a chemical release, just like the 'fix' one gets from a cigarette or watching a 'scary movie' or looking at pornography, all these things TRIGGER a release of chemicals

but that is NOT any kind of 'achievement'

so it is not a real 'win', as the 'opposition' is all an act, the 'sport' teams are only on competition for the game, thus they cannot really 'win' in any way that impacts thier real life existance



not so, I am not currently in competition with anyone



But that is not 'competition' because however the "someone else" tries to 'better' or even emulate you, he will not be Imani

Even if he does the exact same music as you , even if Keith Jarrett started doing 'Bollywood piano' , he would still not be 'competition' and he could not 'win'

You do not have ANY competitors in your 'field' because your 'field' is being Imani, whatever that means, 'Bollywood pianist', 'composer', 'performer', 'singer' , 'lyricist' , etc

the 'thing' that you do cannot be reduced to the mere technical aspects or even the 'material' itself, the 'thing' that you do is ALL THAT YOU ARE, every experience, thought , post you read on D.I.F, all these things shape the 'thing' that you do , not how 'proficient' or 'prolific' some other musician is

I have no 'competition' as I am not competing

there is no one else to compete with

I am the ONLY man in my field

My 'field' is being me

Even if some deluded fool tries his best to compete with me, he cannot 'win , nor can he 'lose' , he is not me , thus he is not in my 'field'



nothing like strapping a tiny man to the back of a horse and paying him to beat it with a whip to make it run while grown men risk thier money to see which tiny man can whip which horse enough so that it reaches some arbitary goal
Great post, cheers B.

First: The feelgood factor/buzz from a sports match shouldn't be underestimated. All of those chemical reactions in the body, endorphins and what have you, promote good health. It's also the camaraderie, the social aspect.

I hear what you're saying and in terms of your observations on music, I agree. The best creativity, in fact the only type of creativity worth talking about, is internally driven. Trying to reach another plateau in your work so that you can a) entertain yourself and b) entertain others. It's not motivated by a desire to be 'better' than anyone else. The singing styles of Billie Holiday and Sarah Vaughan were quite different but each great in their own right. Both of them used their experience and expressed it in a way that fit them.

Horse racing. I know that a few horses have died on that particular gruelling race but generally, it's not set up to be cruel to animals. Again, it's just theatre and i'm sure we could look at even the most innocuous pursuits and find something "harmful" - if we looked hard enough.
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Old 25-03-2011, 01:36 PM   #30
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Great post.

Some men - need to domainate the situation and be the alpha male in all situtations. And have a strong insecure need to impose this.

I met many of these wankers.

And sport really is not important at all in relation to "real" life.




And thats coming from the David Icke forums very own Heat magazine journalist.
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