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Old 22-03-2015, 04:46 PM   #10641
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You don't use kids as chess pieces. This is what that woman is doing. Have YOU any empathy or compassion for the children who ED named on her police statement video? Do you have any Idea of the damage she may be doing?

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Alas some people do not seem to care the damage she is doing more so to her own kids.

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That was my take on it and why i'm here.

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Old 22-03-2015, 04:48 PM   #10642
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Even the most craziest person can seem lucid if they are reading from a script.
Well I am sure she prepared what she was to say as it's clearly highly important.....
But no....she is "crazy" and it's all part of a highly elaborate hoax eh? To bamboozle truthers which number about 1 per cent of the population....rightttttt.....
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Old 22-03-2015, 04:51 PM   #10643
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ah thanks, I'm not upto speed with all the diferent facebooks and youtubes.

Would be interesting to see what reaction there was.
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Old 22-03-2015, 04:53 PM   #10644
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You don't use kids as chess pieces. This is what that woman is doing. Have YOU any empathy or compassion for the children who ED named on her police statement video? Do you have any Idea of the damage she may be doing?

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Yes plenty of empathy for the kids being abused and involved in satanic rituals...and witnessing murder and cannibalism....what should ED do exactly if it's true!? Please tell us oh wise one......

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Old 22-03-2015, 04:54 PM   #10645
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Yes plenty of empathy for the kids being abused and involved in satanic rituals...and witnessing murder and cannibalism....what should ED do exactly if it's true!? Please tell us oh wise one......
Well she shouldn't be naming names of innocent children on the internet where everyone including pedophiles and satanic cults can be drawn to those children. It is damn dangerous and foolish.

Is that a wise comment that I just made? Is it wise enough for you?

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Old 22-03-2015, 04:56 PM   #10646
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You know what I cry about Frase?
All the cover ups that have gone on over the years.
All the people who have turned a blind eye over the years.
All the kids whom now suffer some form of abuse.
All the people who are on the make from kids who are suffering abuse.
All the sickos that turn kids into sex slaves.

All the corruption that is going on. yes I will just go and cry in my bib
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Old 22-03-2015, 04:56 PM   #10647
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Well I am sure she prepared what she was to say as it's clearly highly important.....
But no....she is "crazy" and it's all part of a highly elaborate hoax eh? To bamboozle truthers which number about 1 per cent of the population....rightttttt.....

I don't believe she wrote what she was reading out. Considering Sabine/Belinda wrote the Mothers other witness statements with input from her, it stands to reason that this was also written by Sabine/Belinda.

It would be nice to see her own thoughts on this without reading from a preprepared script that was highly likely written by someone else.

Perhaps then we may get to see how lucid she really is.

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Old 22-03-2015, 04:58 PM   #10648
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I don't believe she wrote what she was reading out. Considering Sabine/Belinda wrote the Mothers other witness statements with input from her, it stands to reason that this was also written by Sabine/Belinda.

It would be nice to see her own thoughts on this without reading from a preprepared script that was highly likely written by someone else.

Perhaps then we may get to see how lucid she really is.
You know what towards the end of that vid I thought sounds like Sab who wrote it.

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Old 22-03-2015, 04:59 PM   #10649
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Nobody has 'won' anything.

All you need to really understand, is people questioning this, have as much right to be here as as the people who believe this.
Nobody is saying that they don't have a right. But why would you spend hours and hours still arguing something when the judge agrees with you.

Are you trying to convince the others?
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Old 22-03-2015, 04:59 PM   #10650
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Even the most craziest person can seem lucid if they are reading from a script.
Need to catch up here but for now, some thoughts on the new 'ED' video, which I assume has been seen and discussed here by now:


- Yes, she is reading from a script. It makes complete sense that she does this.
There is a lot she has to say for the statement, and if wanted to try to remain unemotional and clear, I would read from a script too. No doubt it was composed by herself in conjunction with others.

- The complete lack of movement in her upper face suggest to me that she may be 'botoxed'. This is notorious for making the face appear 'unemotional' - because of lack of movement, which is why some (good) actresses won't have it as they age.

- So rather than her being an unemotional '****' as she has been called, it seems to me that she wanted and needed to be clear and may in fact actually be very determined and brave.

- 'This' has been going on since last August - we don't know how much crying/breaking down/despairing she has done in that time.
Comparing this woman to, say, Kate McCann or Amanda Knox - two people whose affects and presentations I find, with my own eyes, to be very strange and not fitting to their situations, I feel, from watching the ED video, that here is a very intelligent woman, who is of sound mind, not psychotic. I don't feel that she is under duress, intoxicated or 'brainwashed'.

- I'm not buying the demonisation of E and A (in this case in particular, I mean, for A because I know he might have some 'dodgy' things in his past/background) here. Such demonisation is of course a classic 'cover-up' component. Which is not to say that I am 100% sure there IS a cover-up, I am just leaning strongly that way.

- I do not think that woman has been a neglectful mother - that is my overall impression. We have been TOLD that she has a history of neglect etc. but we don't KNOW if that is true.

- By saying all this, I am not implying that any named individual is in fact 'guilty', but I do believe there is at least a kernel of truth in these allegations, no matter who subsequently became 'attached', for whatever reason, to the case.
It has been documented that abusing adults can perform 'pseudo-Satanic' activities in order to scare, control and silence children. This might be another point to consider.

- The naming of children in the video - yes, it struck me as 'ouch' at first, but IF the initial allegations are true, at least in large part, and the Law has not helped and the cover-up allegation is true - then maybe this is the ONLY way to try to help those children??

- All the 'common law' stuff - huh??? I'm not sure about all that stuff or why it's being brought in but again, maybe it's a last measure when all else has failed, to get a proper investigation/justice/protect all the children/stop the criminals etc.
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:01 PM   #10651
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I don't believe she wrote what she was reading out. Considering Sabine/Belinda wrote the Mothers other witness statements with input from her, it stands to reason that this was also written by Sabine/Belinda.

It would be nice to see her own thoughts on this without reading from a preprepared script that was highly likely written by someone else.

Perhaps then we may get to see how lucid she really is.
I don't think it was written by them, more likely NB or Lady NB as she seems to be now.
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:05 PM   #10652
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Has anything more been heard from June Wiggan who said one of her children went to the school and confirms what the children are saying to be true?
that was a spoof youtube account freshly set up at the time, i know cos i checked. anyone with a vested interest could have written it
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:05 PM   #10653
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I don't think it was written by them, more likely NB or Lady NB as she seems to be now.
That is deinitely another likleyhood also. Either way those three are all singing from the same common law song sheet.
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:11 PM   #10654
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Need to catch up here but for now, some thoughts on the new 'ED' video, which I assume has been seen and discussed here by now:


- Yes, she is reading from a script. It makes complete sense that she does this.
There is a lot she has to say for the statement, and if wanted to try to remain unemotional and clear, I would read from a script too. No doubt it was composed by herself in conjunction with others.

- The complete lack of movement in her upper face suggest to me that she may be 'botoxed'. This is notorious for making the face appear 'unemotional' - because of lack of movement, which is why some (good) actresses won't have it as they age.

- So rather than her being an unemotional '****' as she has been called, it seems to me that she wanted and needed to be clear and may in fact actually be very determined and brave.

- 'This' has been going on since last August - we don't know how much crying/breaking down/despairing she has done in that time.
Comparing this woman to, say, Kate McCann or Amanda Knox - two people whose affects and presentations I find, with my own eyes, to be very strange and not fitting to their situations, I feel, from watching the ED video, that here is a very intelligent woman, who is of sound mind, not psychotic. I don't feel that she is under duress, intoxicated or 'brainwashed'.

- I'm not buying the demonisation of E and A (in this case in particular, I mean, for A because I know he might have some 'dodgy' things in his past/background) here. Such demonisation is of course a classic 'cover-up' component. Which is not to say that I am 100% sure there IS a cover-up, I am just leaning strongly that way.

- I do not think that woman has been a neglectful mother - that is my overall impression. We have been TOLD that she has a history of neglect etc. but we don't KNOW if that is true.

- By saying all this, I am not implying that any named individual is in fact 'guilty', but I do believe there is at least a kernel of truth in these allegations, no matter who subsequently became 'attached', for whatever reason, to the case.
It has been documented that abusing adults can perform 'pseudo-Satanic' activities in order to scare, control and silence children. This might be another point to consider.

- The naming of children in the video - yes, it struck me as 'ouch' at first, but IF the initial allegations are true, at least in large part, and the Law has not helped and the cover-up allegation is true - then maybe this is the ONLY way to try to help those children??

- All the 'common law' stuff - huh??? I'm not sure about all that stuff or why it's being brought in but again, maybe it's a last measure when all else has failed, to get a proper investigation/justice/protect all the children/stop the criminals etc.
It's important bcos the accused cant make a claim for libel/slander until they rebut the allegations.

So far, they have remained silent - this might bring them out of the woodwork as they will have to respond if they don't want their names to remain in the public eye.

If they bring evidence to satisfy ED that she is wrong, she would need to remove their name/s from her list (another video perhaps).
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:12 PM   #10655
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You know what I cry about Frase?
All the cover ups that have gone on over the years.
All the people who have turned a blind eye over the years.
All the kids whom now suffer some form of abuse.
All the people who are on the make from kids who are suffering abuse.
All the sickos that turn kids into sex slaves.

All the corruption that is going on. yes I will just go and cry in my bib
And yet you attack a mother who is trying to do something about her kids and their claims of a satanic cult. Social services took them away and the police tried to arrest her, which is why she is gone. What was she supposed to do? Both the social services and the police have been named by the kids as part of the cult.

I don't think the people complaining about the videos want to protect the children at all, but stop people digging around the said cult.

Everything must be brought to light. Enough of the secrecy. Institutions have failed the poeple again and again so people must take things into their own hands. Internet is a tool for that.

Deal with it.
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:13 PM   #10656
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Nobody is saying that they don't have a right. But why would you spend hours and hours still arguing something when the judge agrees with you.

Are you trying to convince the others?
I like to discuss things on discussion forums, it really is that simple.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, i am simply discussing and debating on the interent.

Please tell me why that seems to be a bad thing in your book?

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Other named suspects are mentioned in the interviews, none of these appear to be recorded as suspects on the Crime Report. 55. To state categorically that the children had been coached (which is written on the Crime Report) which I understand is the assertion from Social Services, is simply not feasible. To find a lie in a conversation without some other comparative evidence to contradict such an assertion from a witness is extremely difficult and not generally admissible on its own, but merely opinion. Even a confession from a child to coaching would not in itself be conclusive evidence that this was in fact true, corroboration of some kind would be necessary support this. In fact in this case both children indicate they gave in to the mistaken beliefs of Mr Christie and made up their stories, neither actually say Mr Christie invented accounts that he then forced them to say.
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:18 PM   #10658
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It's important bcos the accused cant make a claim for libel/slander until they rebut the allegations.

So far, they have remained silent - this might bring them out of the woodwork as they will have to respond if they don't want their names to remain in the public eye.

If they bring evidence to satisfy ED that she is wrong, she would need to remove their name/s from her list (another video perhaps).
So we are all guilty till we can prove we are innocent?

Its ok for people to slander one because they can be taken to the courts to prove their innocence and claim for damages.
Regardless of the damage it may have caused? like loss of job, break up of the family. , loss of home that's just to begin with.
Once you have been named even if you are totally innocent there will always be those people who will doubt your innocence.
The poor or low income cannot afford to take it to the claims courts.

People talk of justice and the law here
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:21 PM   #10659
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The first judge transferred case to paufley..,..she was appointed by her majesty the queen also....http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/here-c...39F94E3D1C6FEA
wtf

who do you think appoints all judges

give you a clue its under the CROWN

who do you want to appoint her stevie wonder?
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Old 22-03-2015, 05:24 PM   #10660
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And yet you attack a mother who is trying to do something about her kids and their claims of a satanic cult. Social services took them away and the police tried to arrest her, which is why she is gone. What was she supposed to do? Both the social services and the police have been named by the kids as part of the cult.

I don't think the people complaining about the videos want to protect the children at all, but stop people digging around the said cult.

Everything must be brought to light. Enough of the secrecy. Institutions have failed the poeple again and again so people must take things into their own hands. Internet is a tool for that.

Deal with it.
The police did not try to arrest her, they simply wanted to speak to her. They did mention that they had grounds to gain access if they needed to and stated the laws which they would use to gain access. She ran because she knows the whole thing was a lie and fabrication. If people take things into their own hands there will be a lot of innocent blood. This type of attitude and lack of logic is dangerous and kind of plays into the hands of the new world order. If people cannot be responsible, then they maybe do need to be ruled over. This thread has lost touch with reality completely.

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