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Old 21-02-2017, 10:50 PM   #101
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Wow, looks like some people on here are having serious mental health problems aren't they? World come crumbling down much ?

Can't believe Paddy just went and said all that nasty stuff to Aurum , who actually sounds like a very interesting and reasonably gentle person. Plus in my house, you don't disrespect women for having an opinion , but I've also noticed the tendency for modern marxist's to be just as violent with women as they are men. This is why I know they are cowards who need to be confronted. Pretending to be feminists while also supporting very patriarchal versions of Islam, cowardly bastards just don't have any morals at all.

Way to go paddy, why has nobody refuted my post about Obama and his current attempts at destabilising a nation , with his ties Organising for Action to Planned Parenthood and their murderous practices ( btw Planned Parenthood was created by a white supremacist with Eugenics in mind - look it up vancity & paddy )

But hey I guess it's tough to admit you might be on the same side as the Eugenics movement whilst also maintaining a good moral high ground on how everyone else is racist.

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Old 22-02-2017, 07:22 AM   #102
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Life was shit for the average working class person all over Europe 150 years ago, that's a given, we know that. We also know that in countries that stuck with capitalism standards of living for the average person rose beyond what could ever have been imagined, whereas countries that adopted or were forced into Communism went backwards or stagnated for 80 years.
*After* FDR's New Deal in the USA, or the Labour party (and some more genuine left wing movements) gained the UK's working class a few more scraps from the master's table.

Obviously there was more to it than that, but it was anything but the vindication of trickle-down economics that you seem to be trying to claim it as. As for communism causing countries to only "stagnate"... well, that has the whiff of a belief system to me, not an impartial observation of real history. Anyway, I'm not saying that full-blown Marxism is good for anyone, but forcing some left-wing ideas into mainstream politics *has* been beneficial to a lot of people.

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Old 22-02-2017, 08:35 AM   #103
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Correct Dr Jones. ( all ways wanted to say that )

There have been mechanisms in place to keep a society from going too far one way, but it appears to be hijacked.

Our media is awash with reductionism and division , fear and avarice.

Education system's across western nations have turned into a farce , again fascinated with reductionism and division, removing historical context , banning free speech.

Politicians across North America & Europe follow the same pied piper and his NLP dance towards the NWO in their mistaken belief they will be allowed a share of the pie in the grand scheme of things.

What has made democracy so successful is it's ability to let the pressure out of the system via the vote. Society never gets too worked up and revolts because they think they get to change the rules once in a while.

It's undeniable elements of socialism are beneficial for a society, but full blown Marxism/Communism ?

No because it immediately requires the abolition of free speech. Hence today's anxiety levels of people who do not want free speech. I do recall the term '' FAKE NEWS '' was a term introduced by today's so called liberals. It was only repeated enough times until everyone forgot who said it first and now they don't like anyone saying it unless they have control of the content of the accusation. They don't appreciate Free Speech.

I know Free Speech is not Free, it does come with responsibilities and repercussion , but that is one sign of an advanced society - it's ability to maintain order amongst Free Speech. Amongst other things IMO

But to ban thought is to ban humanity eventually, the NLP doesn't work on everyone, they have just seen what it does to people's anxiety levels when challenged though.
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Old 22-02-2017, 10:50 PM   #104
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*After* FDR's New Deal in the USA, or the Labour party (and some more genuine left wing movements) gained the UK's working class a few more scraps from the master's table.

Obviously there was more to it than that, but it was anything but the vindication of trickle-down economics that you seem to be trying to claim it as. As for communism causing countries to only "stagnate"... well, that has the whiff of a belief system to me, not an impartial observation of real history. Anyway, I'm not saying that full-blown Marxism is good for anyone, but forcing some left-wing ideas into mainstream politics *has* been beneficial to a lot of people.
Henry Ford cut the working week to 40 hours, introduced paid holidays and doubled wages. He did more for the working man than every single trade unionist or left wing idiot has ever done, all they have done is hold people back. It's quite simple really, to mass produce products you need a mass market and you can't have a mass market if the masses are paid peanuts. What was the point of Henry Ford mass producing cars if only the rich could afford to buy a car ? he would have sold 10 cars a week if the working class couldn't afford to buy a car.

And thats the history of Capitalism in North Amertica, Japan and Western Europe for the last 100 years, the rich need consumers with money to spend so they can get even richer themselves. It's a basic concept that is so simple that any fool should be able to understand, except left wingers and trade unionists who think they achieved everything by having a few stikes, what a load of bollocks.
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Old 23-02-2017, 02:55 AM   #105
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Meanwhile here is a freduian slip by a self obsessed self important media whore confirming what most of us knew all along and why Trump is at war with them. presstitutes.


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Old 23-02-2017, 03:14 AM   #106
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*After* FDR's New Deal in the USA, or the Labour party (and some more genuine left wing movements) gained the UK's working class a few more scraps from the master's table.

Obviously there was more to it than that, but it was anything but the vindication of trickle-down economics that you seem to be trying to claim it as. As for communism causing countries to only "stagnate"... well, that has the whiff of a belief system to me, not an impartial observation of real history. Anyway, I'm not saying that full-blown Marxism is good for anyone, but forcing some left-wing ideas into mainstream politics *has* been beneficial to a lot of people.
These alt right crowd are just shills for big business and corporations.

Thats why the biggest billionaires like the Koch brothers have funded all of the right wing think tanks and ideologies which espouse "free market capitalism" AKA Neoliberalism or Libertarianism.

They have a completely distorted view of history.

The United States is the richest country in the world, yet it has incredibly high rates of violence, poverty, highest incarceration in the world, poor education and health care system. It has the worst health care system of virtually any first world country in the entire world. It has delapidated infrastructure, poor roads. When I cross the border from Canada you can immedietly see how poor and crappy the American roads are. They are shit.

All this is a result of Capitalism, "trickle down economics" nonsense. Spend all our money on war and ignore everyone else, because "we can't be socialist now can we"

By comparison if you look at Western Europe which is much closer to the socialist model, health care, education and general well being is much better.

People always like to compare the US to some country like Cuba.

You cannot do that, you have to compare like for like.

The Soviet Union was far better for average people that Tzarist Russia. It isn't even close. Anyone claiming otherwise does not know what the fuck they are talking about.

Socialist Cuba was also far better than pre Socialist Cuba.

Eastern Europe has suffered since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Socialism is responsible for transforming both Russia and China into powerful nations. Had they not made these transitions, they would have remained bannana republic style client states under the control of Western corporations. Oh as for the "stagnation"of communism. I guess putting the first man in space and having the second largest economy of the world is "stagnation" Do you see the bullshit propaganda comming from these people ?

Thats why the CIA (wallstreet) have been spreading anti-socialist propaganda for a century.

The resident Nazis eat it up because they are useful idiot shills who already have their worldviews predetermined and fail to look at any history or research which counters their narrative. Their white supremacist masters have told them that "socialism" is a threat to the white man by Jews, so thats all they need to know.

As you correctly outlined, it was FDR's "New Deal" which made America great for the middle class. Without it America was a shit hole, and America is becomming a shit hole again with the mass austerity, lowering of taxes on billionaires, "trickle down economics", gutting of social programs.

All of this promoted by the Koch brothers, the Mont Pellerin society and the whole myriad of right wing think tanks and organizations like the Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, American Enterprise Institute, Council for National Policy, Hoover Institute.

That is who is "destroying America" the same billionaires who back Trump and the whole "alt right" agenda.

These are the people behind your Alex Jones', your Breitbart, your John Birch Society, Your "patriot movement" , your "tea party", your white nationalists.

All fake, 100% controlled psuedo oppositon, bankrolled by the oligarchs. Look how extensive is the reach of the Kochs, but there are many others as well. Look at Robert Mercer who partially owns Breitbart, and sunk a cool 15 million into Trump supporting Super PACs. These criminals own "the alt right".

These are the same elites who opposed FDR, attempted a coup, and eventually most likely had him assasinated. There was an earlier assasination attempt which took the life of a Chicago mayor.

These are the elites who created the "alt right" as a fake opposition movement to promote pro business, anti socialist ideologies in order to promote fascism, and give corporations unlimited control and power of the economy, the government, and indeed the world.

But forget about all of this, I think there is a "communist" hiding under sombody's bed. There are "annoying" SJW's. The elites have been playing this diversion for over 100 years, and the guillable fear mongering right wing dupes still don't get it.

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Old 23-02-2017, 03:35 PM   #107
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Wow, looks like some people on here are having serious mental health problems aren't they? World come crumbling down much ?
I know one person on Facebook who is of the Trump is Hitler bent.

The craziness is due to the doubling down and doubling down again, and refusing to admit they are wrong, only to find out they have no facts to support their position and so they have nowhere to go to demonstrate they are correct other than wild attention-getting demonstrations of rhetoric and passion.

End result is the fulfilment of Godwin's Law.

Another example of the craziness:

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Old 23-02-2017, 08:12 PM   #108
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The Soviet Union was far better for average people that Tzarist Russia. It isn't even close. Anyone claiming otherwise does not know what the fuck they are talking about.

Socialism is responsible for transforming both Russia and China into powerful nations. Had they not made these transitions, they would have remained bannana republic style client states under the control of Western corporations. Oh as for the "stagnation"of communism. I guess putting the first man in space and having the second largest economy of the world is "stagnation" Do you see the bullshit propaganda comming from these people ?
Twisted logic 101 , you must be in awe of the Oligarchy at the head of the Russian and Chinese nations.

You think the reason China is considered the second largest economy is because they are free from corruption due to Socialism ?

You think the reasons Russia put the first man in space is because of Socialism ? Nothing to do with War and advanced weaponry at all which led from the industrial revolution ? Nothing to do with the ingenuity and intelligence of the Russian people ? Nothing to do with stealing Nazi technology at the end of the 2nd world war?

Fucking hypocrite.
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I know one person on Facebook who is of the Trump is Hitler bent.

The craziness is due to the doubling down and doubling down again, and refusing to admit they are wrong, only to find out they have no facts to support their position and so they have nowhere to go to demonstrate they are correct other than wild attention-getting demonstrations of rhetoric and passion.

End result is the fulfilment of Godwin's Law.

Another example of the craziness:

I saw an interesting few things recently , it does play into the whole race card thing, but you will find these same people panicking will all ways have a bone to pick with ole whitey as well.

https://twitter.com/UncleChangNYC/st...74424549707778

https://twitter.com/0yarn/status/829...010048/photo/1

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55863

Also this gem , not a race thing but still , double standards abound , she is the daughter of the man who bragged about funding the Islamic Mujahadeen ( sp ) in Afghanistan to cause problems with Russia. Nice lady, nice father.

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/s...390977/photo/1

That is all I am hearing from the rats who have been smoked out in 2016's democratic societies , double standards. Over and over and over again.

There was a pic of a protester , can't be bothered to find it again, but he was wearing all black and had a leather jacket on. He was fighting capitalism and the establishment. Thing is somebody recognised his leather jacket and put a link up to where you can buy it. It was over $750 !!!

I've never had a full set of clothes worth $750 for gods sake, nevermind just one jacket.

But I guess you need the good clothes to fight capitalism these days.
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Old 23-02-2017, 08:50 PM   #110
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What does everyone think about the whole 'freedom of the press' angle? I know DI and others think it's a very dangerous thing that Trump would refuse to take questions from certain sections of the media.

I personally do not necessarily see that as infringing on the freedom of the press. They are still free to listen to what he has to say and observe what he does and report accordingly without fear of retribution. Why should any MSM institution have an unbridled right to put its questions to the president? I could see it being a problem if he was refusing to speak to a wider section of the media but I gather it's pretty much CNN he has vendetta against.

Let's face it, regardless of what you think about Trump, the MSM has ran a serious of stories against him with the intention of making him out to be some sort of stooge for Russia without offering any evidence. It's always 'unnamed sources'. I say he is perfectly entitled to call them out as peddling fake news.
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