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Old 21-06-2013, 08:55 PM   #21
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Thank you so much for the information. When you say Urine therapy, is that a combination of drinking distilled water then passing and drinking your own urine?? Ok I'm willing to try anything to get off these meds. Have you or anyone else you know tried MSM??
Yes and no. The aim for total detoxification is to drink a gallon (about 4 litres) of distilled liquids a day, that includes water you've made from a distiller, urine and fresh fruit and vegetable juice (not pasturised shop bought), so your gallon can be any of those or a combination. To do the urine, you really need a clean diet, not meat or fish, processed foods, and not too much cooked foods either.

What a lot of people do is 'loping' so you pee and drink it, and then when you pee next time you drink that and you just keep on going, looping it, it gets clearer and clearer and eventually ends up tasting like coconut water, believe it or not. People have been doing this for thousands of years, all over the world too, this isn't just an Indian or Chinese thing.


Check out Dave Murphy (allegedly Dave) interviewing Andrew Norton Webber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ALshrGzB8

There are several videos of interviews with Andrew on youtube. Here's a good one with Lisa Harrison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtN0zKUggoo

Also check out this guy, he's got lots of 'how to' videos about urine therapy on his youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swIa6ktpwy8

When you say MSM do you mean Methylsulfonylmethane? I've seen it in tablet form in health food shops but I've never taken it myself, sorry.
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Old 21-06-2013, 09:04 PM   #22
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Are you on the wind up? Drinking your own piss? What the actual fuck!?!?
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Old 21-06-2013, 09:22 PM   #23
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I would suggest that the 'sick experiments' have been and gone years ago. Big pharma knows full well what its doing now. Its not an experiment any longer, the programme works. Medication is not to keep people healthy, its to keep people in a state of continual dependence on their drugs, whether it is for HIV/AIDS, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc.

ok, so you've asked for 'useful information' that could help. Colloidal silver, great. We use it all the time in our house, it is one of the greatest tools for healing. I've never used it for collonics or enemas, but I can see that working. (I can also see it being very costly as well!)

So....if you're not squeemish about that stuff, then urine enemas are probably the most powerful detoxification you'll ever likely to experience. Urine therapy is probably the most transformative thing I've ever done. It freaks people out, so I don't talk about it much.

Check out a guy called Andrew Norton Webber on youtube. He's an advocate of urine therapy and the drinking of distilled water. Since I've bought my water distiller, I've not looked back, I'm the healthiest I've ever been in my life. Lots of people are very fearful of distilled water (and urine therapy) due to A LOT of disinfo bandied around on the internet (and this forum!) but when something is this heavily suppressed, then you know its the good stuff If you want any advice then feel free to PM me

I'll be really interested to hear about your progress. You sound to me like you're doing the right thing and I wish you all the best
One of my fave boxers does it.. so if he's doing it and he's beating the likes of Manny pac. Then I'm up for trying it to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKulXSlNH70
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Old 21-06-2013, 09:24 PM   #24
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Are you on the wind up? Drinking your own piss? What the actual fuck!?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKulXSlNH70

Quite a few sportsman do it... here's UFC fighter Machida explaining how he does it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cag...urn=mma,150216
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Old 22-06-2013, 10:43 AM   #25
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Yes and no. The aim for total detoxification is to drink a gallon (about 4 litres) of distilled liquids a day, that includes water you've made from a distiller, urine and fresh fruit and vegetable juice (not pasturised shop bought), so your gallon can be any of those or a combination. To do the urine, you really need a clean diet, not meat or fish, processed foods, and not too much cooked foods either.

What a lot of people do is 'loping' so you pee and drink it, and then when you pee next time you drink that and you just keep on going, looping it, it gets clearer and clearer and eventually ends up tasting like coconut water, believe it or not. People have been doing this for thousands of years, all over the world too, this isn't just an Indian or Chinese thing.


Check out Dave Murphy (allegedly Dave) interviewing Andrew Norton Webber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ALshrGzB8

There are several videos of interviews with Andrew on youtube. Here's a good one with Lisa Harrison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtN0zKUggoo

Also check out this guy, he's got lots of 'how to' videos about urine therapy on his youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swIa6ktpwy8

When you say MSM do you mean Methylsulfonylmethane? I've seen it in tablet form in health food shops but I've never taken it myself, sorry.
Thanks again. We have been talking of getting a water distiller for a couple of months now. Getting one this payday. Makes sense. Do you need to take any kind of supplements at all. I heard it leeches good minerals from your body?? Or is this just a fallacy?
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Old 22-06-2013, 11:46 AM   #26
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Thanks again. We have been talking of getting a water distiller for a couple of months now. Getting one this payday. Makes sense. Do you need to take any kind of supplements at all. I heard it leeches good minerals from your body?? Or is this just a fallacy?
Its just bullshit about it making you ill and stripping your body of minerals, I only drink distilled water (along with fresh juice & raw milk), I know lots of people who do the same...no ones died, no ones become ill, quite the opposite.

This is the reason the information about it is really being suppressed. People who only drink distilled liquids are getting really, really healthy, as they lose the heavy metals and toxins from their systems. That has major implications for freedom from big pharma and the whole health care control system.

Distilled water removes non organic minerals...hence its fantastic detox abilities, it doesn't remove organic minerals from your body, the stuff you get from food.

I could get into a long diatribe about non organic minerals and vitamins, I'm very anti-supplements, but Andrew Norton Webber is far more articulate on the subject than I am, so his videos and interviews are much better

My water distiller is one of the best purchases I've ever made. If you are going to buy one, then I would suggest the 'Megahome' brand, and its worth paying a bit extra and getting one with a glass jug rather than the plastic one.
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Old 22-06-2013, 12:22 PM   #27
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"AIDS" is a scam. It's nothing. It's a syndrome which arbitrarily groups a variety of illnesses together, and supposedly caused by a virus which doesn't actually exist.

Both aids and hiv are total phantoms and scientifically and medically fraudulent.

The gullibility of people is fucking sad. I bought into the scam myself essentially lock stock and barrel until a few months ago when i discovered the documentary I cited.

froiboi knows what's up. I'd say play the game and continue to get benefits if you're currently receiving them and then otherwise live a long, healthy, happy life.

So many billions of dollars have been flushed down the toilet perpetrating this fraud. The shit ends now.

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BD, I like and respect you, but your emotions about this issue, which are understandable, are not allowing your normal clear headedness to come through.

AIDS is real. HIV is not. Lots of people have died from AIDS. No one has died from HIV. In Japan AIDS is virtually unknown, yet, in random testing, 25% of people were found to be HIV-positive. "HIV-positive response means nothing of any relevance to health: it can be triggered by vaccination, malnutrition, M.S., measles, influenza, papilloma virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, glandular fever, hepatitis, syphillis, in total, over sixty different conditions." Dr Robert E. Willner

There is no known scientific explanation for how a retrovirus like HIV could kill anyone. Many of the people who are dying these days are people who received HIV diagnoses but had no AIDS symptoms of any kind. They then began taking various HIV drugs which are almost all highly toxic poisons and immune suppresants, and then they sickened and died. They didn't die from HIV. They died from HIV drugs. If you love your friends, keep them away from HIV drugs. You can fight real AIDS the same way you can fight real cancer, through boosting your immune system.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of physicians who recognize that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS, including Dr. Peter Duesberg, professor of molecular biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and one of the world's leading experts on retroviruses, a field he helped pioneer. Duesberg doesn't belive that it is scientifically possible for HIV, if it exists, to cause AIDS. He first raised his concerns in the 1980s. They have never been disproven.

"AIDS - You Can Cure It
Dr. Richard Schulze

To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill. Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you’re as nuts as the doctors. How stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that a single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body breakdown? We don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. In case you are groggy or dense and didn't get my point, I will repeat it: AIDS can be cured. Right now. Forget the DNA research. Forget the emotional fund-raisers. They're not necessary. It can also save those who are skin and bone and sores and diarrhea. If you follow all this information, you can end up cured and HIV-negative. Sympathy and understanding cannot cure AIDS. This information will cure --- but only if you use it with all your heart and soul. If people would live right, eat right, think right, use natural healing, and stop taking all drugs, the AIDS epidemic would end.

And, of course, we think of AIDS as a disease, but it really isn't. It's just the combination of diseases that happens when your immune system gets depressed. You build up your immune system and.. oh, and this guy ended up not even testing HIV positive. I almost forgot that. It's supposed to be impossible, but then, in the last 5 years, I've heard of hundreds of cases like that. In other words, he got so well they couldn't even find the antibody for HIV in him. And that's how you know that a lot of the information out there is garbage. For example, 5% of AIDS cases today don't test HIV-positive. His lung fibrosis went away, but there was always some scar tissue in there. His lungs were never 100%, but they could have been if he had done more work in that direction. But I do remember that a couple of years after, he had a slip, and this is quite common. And his T-cell count started going down. He had a relapse and, of course, he had gone off his program. He got back onto a program, and everything went back to healthy I had a woman patient who had breast cancer with a malignant tumor, golf-ball size. Got rid of it through natural healing, and she had a lump come back in her breast about 10 times probably every year. When I call her, and she goes back on her program, it goes away."

http://www.whale.to/a/schulze.html
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Old 22-06-2013, 05:13 PM   #28
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Here are some long discussions about it:

Peter Duesburg on Red Ice and Rogan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcypP7PYNng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUINR38eEDY

They talk about this at length.


Also David crowe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMrpBH8AfgQ

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Old 22-06-2013, 06:03 PM   #29
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You don't need to drink your own urine, dude. Seriously.

If you haven't already, check out the work of gary null, one of the most knowledgeable people out there; he has some intelligent things to say about the so-called aids crisis.

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Thank you so much for the information. When you say Urine therapy, is that a combination of drinking distilled water then passing and drinking your own urine?? Ok I'm willing to try anything to get off these meds. Have you or anyone else you know tried MSM??
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Old 22-06-2013, 06:08 PM   #30
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Yeah, can you believe it? Taking drugs non-stop, staying awake for weeks at a time, having sex with hundreds of men every month, being infected with and spreading multiple std's wasn't healthy?!? Shocking.

The hiv virus doesn't exist; when you have supposed experts on hiv who can't confirm that they've actually seen it, this is a pretty large tipoff that the whole thing is a scam.

You don't need ARV's; it's poison, period. And yes, you do need an alternative to poison, which goes without saying.

I'm fired up about this: I hate scammers, and this is a big 'un.

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I have an opinion that in the 80s when people didn't know they had it, constant partying, drug use and the lack of personal care contributed towards their deaths. There is 2 types of HIV, type 1 & 2 one supposedly more deadly than the other. I strongly believe however that there are natural alternatives to ARV's out there. Plus with simple lifestyle changes, exercise and a positive (no pun intended) outlook can work wonders. I will keep you posted on my journey... Thanks for your contribution.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:55 AM   #31
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Hhmmmm. didnt take long for this to degenerate into dichotomy.

ls there any progress, even at this early stage Franboi?
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:26 PM   #32
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Hhmmmm. didnt take long for this to degenerate into dichotomy.

ls there any progress, even at this early stage Franboi?
I have seen my specialist, I have to come off the meds gradually due to absorption time frames etc. he has recommended that I don't but I gave him a good argument. He finished by saying it was my choice, as the informaion is only after all textbook.

I'll be stopping them once my next bloods are back so they can monitor my progress. I will keep you up to date as and when. I have a ordered Zinc and Selenium supplements as well as Vitamin D for when I come off them. I will also continue with the colloidal silver.
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I have seen my specialist, I have to come off the meds gradually due to absorption time frames etc. he has recommended that I don't but I gave him a good argument. He finished by saying it was my choice, as the informaion is only after all textbook.

I'll be stopping them once my next bloods are back so they can monitor my progress. I will keep you up to date as and when. I have a ordered Zinc and Selenium supplements as well as Vitamin D for when I come off them. I will also continue with the colloidal silver.
i wish you well, mate.
i will watch this thread with great interest.
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There's another element to the HIV madness that needs to be exposed. It's an insidious one.

In the gay male community including on certain online message boards, which is a sub-sect of those who are HIV positive, there is a phenomenon called "Bug Chasing" and "Gift Giving", which involves the intentional seeking and providing of the HIV virus by use of unprotected sex between men who are HIV positive and those who are not. To both it's considered the utmost sexual experience. It's extremely Dark in nature, as some refer to it as the "death fuck" and one man "charging up" another. Some have even discussed ways to make the transmission easier, by means such as taking a toothbrush into the rectum, brushing the rectal area with it in order to make the skin more porous so that the virus more easily enters and infects. This is insidious and this community needs to be embarrassed publicly into desisting from the behavior.

edit: especially because some of the men are bisexual and have the audacity to have condomless sex with women. This has to be stopped because the participants are extremely arrogant.

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The illnesses which comprise aids existed long before they were arbitrarily grouped together as a syndrome. I suppose you will never understand this elementary point, but that's your problem.

Nor does it provide any evidence that hiv exists, because it doesn't.

Again, you have no evidence showing hiv exists or that it 'causes' aids.

You don't even know what you're talking about.
you will note that i never mentioned HIV.
so, your rather rude post falls flat on its face.
not interested in civil discussion?
shocking.
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continue with the colloidal silver
They have cured HIV positive people with colloidal silver, just make sure that it is true colloidal silver, and not ionic silver. Several vendors market ionic silver as colloidal silver, most colloidal silver generators makes ionic silver. They have also cured people with tetrasilver tetroxide, the took a patent on it afterwards, patent 5676977. And also Gc-MAF, Immunotherapy of HIV-infected patients with Gc protein-derived macrophage activating factor (GcMAF). Though they continue to claim that there is no cure. The government and big pharma, they are not our friends.
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There is no such thing as hiv, nor aids.

AIDS is simply a collection of diseases associated with gay men who abused drugs, had unprotected sex, and otherwise destroyed their immune systems by partying 24/7 and never allowing themselves to sleep or rest.

Stop abusing drugs, use condoms and get some normal sleep and rest, and there's no problem.

In poor, developing countries, people are dying of starvation and their immune systems compromised by a complete lack of sanitation. They are labeled as "aids" patients.

It's a complete crock. It's sad that so many people on here are still sheep.

Virologists cannot isolate hiv because it simply does not exist. It is a complete fabrication.

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They have cured HIV positive people with colloidal silver, just make sure that it is true colloidal silver, and not ionic silver. Several vendors market ionic silver as colloidal silver, most colloidal silver generators makes ionic silver. They have also cured people with tetrasilver tetroxide, the took a patent on it afterwards, patent 5676977. And also Gc-MAF, Immunotherapy of HIV-infected patients with Gc protein-derived macrophage activating factor (GcMAF). Though they continue to claim that there is no cure. The government and big pharma, they are not our friends.
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There is no such thing as hiv, nor aids.

AIDS is simply a collection of diseases associated with gay men who abused drugs, had unprotected sex, and otherwise destroyed their immune systems by partying 24/7 and never allowing themselves to sleep or rest.

Stop abusing drugs, use condoms and get some normal sleep and rest, and there's no problem.

In poor, developing countries, people are dying of starvation and their immune systems compromised by a complete lack of sanitation. They are labeled as "aids" patients.

It's a complete crock. It's sad that so many people on here are still sheep.

Virologists cannot isolate hiv because it simply does not exist. It is a complete fabrication.
have you ever known anyone who has died of that which you claim does not exist?
i have.
many.
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That doesn't mean that hiv exists.

Nor does it mean that hiv causes aids.

What it DOES mean is that the people you knew who died died because they had diseases associated with a compromised immune system.

You are very confused and your thinking muddled. Try to think logically. Although I know it's impossible for you, I have to give you a chance.

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i have.
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There is no such thing as hiv, nor aids.
I believe in HIV, but not that it causes AIDS, or that it would somehow be a dangerous virus.
I've seen studies where silver binds to gp120 glycoprotein knobs on the virus they call HIV-1, and inhibits the virus from binding to host cells.
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