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Old 30-12-2012, 10:45 AM   #241
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PLease..
discussing diffrent opinons..
fuck off all of you
What's bad about that?
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Old 30-12-2012, 12:17 PM   #242
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You stated on this thread that you practice Aleister Crowley's techniques. Crowley was a Satanist. David Icke in his book The Biggest Secret quotes Crowley:

Compassion is the vice of kings, stamp down the wretched and the weak...Pity not the fallen!...I hate the consoled and the consoler...Worship me with fire and blood...O warrior, I will give you their flesh to eat...sacrifice cattle, little and big; after a child...kill and torture; spare not: be upon them! pg 248

Icke comments on Crowley's statements: `The classic sentiments of the lower 4th dimensional reptilians and the SATANIC RINGS which serve them'.

Crowley also described the perfect human sacrifice: a beautiful intelligent boy of 5 years, without mark or infirmity. Exactly as the ancient pagan's believed. Their demons had to have the best...whether the victims were man or animal.
Crowley did worship Lucifer/Satan, he also made up rituals for Mary, Jesus, the greek and egyptian gods, etc.

Crowley tried out all the religions and like Luther and Smith before him, found them all unsatisfactory and preceded to make his own. Thelemites will tell you he recieved divine revelation from a god, Don't see how that is any different from Muhammed and Gabriel and Smith and Moroni.
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Old 30-12-2012, 12:26 PM   #243
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Sure don't.



Sure don't.



I'm not science.



Sure doesn't.
I didn't make a good arguement, but I don't see how saying no to everything is a good refutation.

I will sum it up in these simple points: Atheism and Science are not the same thing, just like how religion and ethics are not the same thing, they have a connection, but are not synonomous( I don't have spell check and am typing fast).

Atheism, like nihilism gives itself the status of religion by saying it is not a religion. Just like how nihilism condemns all meaning, and yet by not having a meaning, it gives itself meaning.

We cannot be sure of anything, whether spiritual or physical, true skepticism, like that practiced by Chaung Tzu, would argue that nothing can be known for sure, not even the seperation between dreams and waking reality.

Whether or not science is interesting is up to the individual. Personally I find Mathematics and History more interesting, you may find science more interesting. Arguing about whether something is interesting or not is stupid. So let me rephrase: Science is not fucking boring, science simply strips away emotion and the feeling I get from science is a rather cold and callous one. I am simply going by emotions here.

And lastly, Religion is emotional, Science is intelectual, when you argue them against each other you are not playing on the same field. One is reached though the heart the other through the mind. The heart and mind are equally important for a balanced perspective.

And please don't just "refute" my arguements simply by saying no. I was speaking stupidly, but now my mind has returned to me, hopefully we can have a dignified conversation.

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Old 30-12-2012, 12:28 PM   #244
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Pr0fanus has just blown any credibility he had with his Crowley confession. Crowley fans have the same relationship to their idol that Goths do to their "dark" ideology. Both are a bunch of pussies adopting a pseudo-transgressive image to hide deeply conformist and mild personalities.

Crowley was a fat, rich, homosexual, junkie.
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Old 30-12-2012, 12:31 PM   #245
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lol...
OK how about this, perhaps science claims to know not much now, but it will know everything in the future, if only the emprical is real, then eventually we will know everything through science according to science, Am I wrong in suggesting that?

according to some branches of physics, the past, present and future all exist at the same time, then if something is true in the future it is true now.

Therefore if science claims to know everything in the future, then it claims to know everything right now, therefore science claims to contain all knowledge.

If you disagree say why, instead of simply replying lol. Thank you.

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Old 30-12-2012, 12:33 PM   #246
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Pr0fanus has just blown any credibility he had with his Crowley confession. Crowley fans have the same relationship to their idol that Goths do to their "dark" ideology. Both are a bunch of pussies adopting a pseudo-transgressive image to hide deeply conformist and mild personalities.

Crowley was a fat, rich, homosexual, junkie.
One should be suspicious of anyone starting a religion. Crowley, Jospeh Smith, L ron Hubbard, Gerald Gardner

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Old 30-12-2012, 12:37 PM   #247
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OK how about this, perhaps science claims to know not much now, but it will know everything in the future, if only the emprical is real, then eventually we will know everything through science according to science, Am I wrong in suggesting that?
Yes I think you're wrong. The evolution puzzle for example will never be complete. There is no way in hell we will be able to know everything. Ironically, many New Agers on the other hand claim that they can know everything when they reach 'self-realization'..

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Old 30-12-2012, 12:40 PM   #248
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Yes I think you're wrong. The evolution puzzle for example will never be complete. There is no way in hell we will be able to know everything. Ironically, many New Agers on the other hand claim that they can know everything when they reach 'self-realization'..
Like I said before, you're just like an angry anti-semite who constantly brings up Jews in every conversation. And why won't we know everything? Can you scientifically prove that we will not know everything in a million years?
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Old 30-12-2012, 01:00 PM   #249
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I didn't make a good arguement, but I don't see how saying no to everything is a good refutation.
Oh, it's my job to prove you wrong on unfounded accusations, some of which are evidently false?

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I will sum it up in these simple points: Atheism and Science are not the same thing, just like how religion and ethics are not the same thing, they have a connection, but are not synonomous( I don't have spell check and am typing fast).
Not necessarily. Atheists (may) have a connection to science, atheism as such does not.

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Atheism, like nihilism gives itself the status of religion by saying it is not a religion. Just like how nihilism condemns all meaning, and yet by not having a meaning, it gives itself meaning.
So... If you claim not to be something you in fact are that thing?

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We cannot be sure of anything, whether spiritual or physical, true skepticism, like that practiced by Chaung Tzu, would argue that nothing can be known for sure, not even the seperation between dreams and waking reality.
Absolutely.

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Whether or not science is interesting is up to the individual. Personally I find Mathematics and History more interesting, you may find science more interesting. Arguing about whether something is interesting or not is stupid. So let me rephrase: Science is not fucking boring, science simply strips away emotion and the feeling I get from science is a rather cold and callous one. I am simply going by emotions here.
I don't see how you would come to that understanding, but fine.

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And lastly, Religion is emotional, Science is intelectual, when you argue them against each other you are not playing on the same field. One is reached though the heart the other through the mind. The heart and mind are equally important for a balanced perspective.
I agree.

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And please don't just "refute" my arguements simply by saying no. I was speaking stupidly, but now my mind has returned to me, hopefully we can have a dignified conversation.
It seems that we agree on more than we thought.
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Old 30-12-2012, 01:03 PM   #250
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Pr0fanus has just blown any credibility he had with his Crowley confession.
You're entitled to your opinion.

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Crowley fans have the same relationship to their idol that Goths do to their "dark" ideology.
I'm not a "fan".

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Both are a bunch of pussies adopting a pseudo-transgressive image to hide deeply conformist and mild personalities.
Luckily I don't belong to either group.

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Crowley was a fat, rich, homosexual, junkie.
And? I should also mention that Crowley wasn't homosexual, he was bisexual.
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One should be suspicious of anyone starting a religion. Crowley, Jospeh Smith, L ron Hubbard, Gerald Gardner
"Frater Perdurabo is the most honest of all the great religious teachers. Others have said: "Believe me!" He says:"Don't believe me!" He does not ask for followers; would despise and refuse them. He wants an independent and self-reliant body of students to follow out their own methods of research." Book IV, part I.
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OK how about this, perhaps science claims to know not much now, but it will know everything in the future, if only the emprical is real, then eventually we will know everything through science according to science, Am I wrong in suggesting that?
Yes. Science can never know anything for certain. Any given theory is always open for doubt. Also, it's rather doubtful to state that we will ever know everything, or that it's even possible for that to happen.

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according to some branches of physics, the past, present and future all exist at the same time, then if something is true in the future it is true now.
Such branches produce at best theories supported by math, i.e. theories that might work, but don't necessarily. They provide us with results that are obviously far from useful for use in day-to-day life.

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Therefore if science claims to know everything in the future, then it claims to know everything right now, therefore science claims to contain all knowledge.
One speculative branch of science does not represent "science" as a whole. Add to that the criticisms offered above.
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Old 30-12-2012, 02:29 PM   #253
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Lol...WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST THINK THE SAME DAMMIT
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Either god exists or he doesn't....... I'm still waiting for someone to conivce me he does.
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Either god exists or he doesn't....... I'm still waiting for someone to conivce me he does.
Why don't you find out for yourself?

Do you always wait for someone to tell you what to believe?

The first step is to learn how to put yourself into a state of Higher Consciousness. Surprize - the tools have been known and used for thousands of years. But it takes work, time and dedication. Or do you expect to experience God in the written word?

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Old 30-12-2012, 07:20 PM   #256
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Crowley did worship Lucifer/Satan, he also made up rituals for Mary, Jesus, the greek and egyptian gods, etc.

Crowley tried out all the religions and like Luther and Smith before him, found them all unsatisfactory and preceded to make his own. Thelemites will tell you he recieved divine revelation from a god, Don't see how that is any different from Muhammed and Gabriel and Smith and Moroni.
Or Jesus?

Jesus also claimed revelations from `My Father'.
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Either god exists or he doesn't....... I'm still waiting for someone to conivce me he does.


Hang on to your panties princess...


Do you ever sit alone and contemplate life?

Do you ever seek out the answers to questions on your own, you know, think about them?

In your mind, when you are discussing these matters with yourself, who are YOU talking to?

When you find the answers after thinking through a problem...

Has it ever occurred to you that the question and the answer came from within YOU.

God is YOU, the spirit of Life within you.



The Great Lie is that you are unworthy.

Thus each of you strive to make the next feel unworthy.

Why?

Because in this truth is the power to shape your reality.

Being this truth is simply being.

I AM.
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Hang on to your panties princess...


Do you ever sit alone and contemplate life?

Do you ever seek out the answers to questions on your own, you know, think about them?

In your mind, when you are discussing these matters with yourself, who are YOU talking to?

When you find the answers after thinking through a problem...

Has it ever occurred to you that the question and the answer came from within YOU.

God is YOU, the spirit of Life within you.



The Great Lie is that you are unworthy.

Thus each of you strive to make the next feel unworthy.

Why?

Because in this truth is the power to shape your reality.

Being this truth is simply being.

I AM.
Well said. The goal is to achieve Higher - God Consciousness.

Even Jesus had to go out into the desert to fast and pray for 40 days.

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Old 30-12-2012, 08:47 PM   #259
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Hang on to your panties princess...


Do you ever sit alone and contemplate life?

Do you ever seek out the answers to questions on your own, you know, think about them?

Yes. I've given them a great deal of thought, ever since I was a little girl.

In your mind, when you are discussing these matters with yourself, who are YOU talking to?

They were rehtorical questions. I was talking to myself.

When you find the answers after thinking through a problem...

Has it ever occurred to you that the question and the answer came from within YOU.

Yes, though logic a reason. any other explianion would be an insult to human intelligence.

God is YOU, the spirit of Life within you.



The Great Lie is that you are unworthy.


Thus each of you strive to make the next feel unworthy.

Why?

Because in this truth is the power to shape your reality.

Being this truth is simply being.

I AM.
To paraphrase sherlock holmes "supernatural agents need not apply."
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To paraphrase sherlock holmes "supernatural agents need not apply."
When YOU are naturally super, then will no supernatural agents apply. - I AM
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