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Old 15-04-2018, 11:41 PM   #1
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Okay. I have read all of David Icke's books, been to some live gigs, watched a lot of videos and I am pretty sure I understand what he is saying. He is brilliant and has been given a gift of insight. But I am confused by the whole Putin Russian thing. Now maybe I missed something and I am hoping that someone can explain it, but it makes no sense to me.

David has said that the Archons are controlling things through the elite and that the elite are mere puppets, that we live in a hologram matrix - that makes sense. I know some don't agree with that but it does make sense. He also says that to be elite you have to do certain things, be part of hybrid bloodlines and what they get up to (paedophilia, Satanism etc.), again this makes sense. That the media is controlled and there are there no proper journalists any more.

Then how is it possible that Putin ISN'T in on the Archon controlled game and one of the elite?

How can Putin be a true enemy of the West? In anything other than a game that wants to make us believe they are enemies when in fact Putin is friends to the West and Putin is just playing his part in the Archon game?

If Putin isn't one of *their* pawns how did he get to the top in Russia? If that is possible then why did David say no one could make political change through getting into politics? Surely if Putin isn't one of *their* puppets then surely anyone can make it to the top and change things politically?

Also, Putin and Trump invest in the same investments and have the same connections. Are we meant to believe that Putin is a freedom fighter? Even though he oppresses gays and blacks and the poor and Putin is pushing 5G and AI in his own country!!!

It seems to me that what we know of this system, and especially because of the truth David Icke has told us about it! That Putin can't be anything other than involved in THE PLAN and he knows exactly what he is doing and it is all part of THEIR PLAN and he is just a puppet like Trump etc.

Anyway, as I say if anyone else can explain this I would welcome the discussion.
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Old 16-04-2018, 05:16 PM   #2
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we've had 2 weeks of msm warmongering and scaremongering about ww3, now the west has bombed syria the msm are saying beware of cyber attacks. the script is totally shite.
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Old 16-04-2018, 11:38 PM   #3
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It is scripted for sure.

But Putin has to be on message? After all WW3 is exactly part of their plan!
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Old 17-04-2018, 04:34 PM   #4
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The script is all set for the USA to try and cut off the internet!!
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Old 17-04-2018, 08:56 PM   #5
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"Putin" is on one side of the chessboard and "Trump" on the other. The chessboard is owned by the "archons" or whatever you wanna call 'em.

The chess game is being played out on tv. It's not real, it's just a game in which they insert names like Trump, Putin, Russia, USA etc.

People believe that the game is real. But it isnt. It's a just fictional story that they have named "The News" but the characters in the story exist....sort of.

I think that Trump was genuinely trying to stop the NWO, but he is not doing it any more because he is now either dead or being controlled.

Probably a similar situation with Putin.
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Old 17-04-2018, 09:10 PM   #6
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"Putin" is on one side of the chessboard and "Trump" on the other. The chessboard is owned by the "archons" or whatever you wanna call 'em.

The chess game is being played out on tv. It's not real, it's just a game in which they insert names like Trump, Putin, Russia, USA etc.

People believe that the game is real. But it isnt. It's a just fictional story that they have named "The News" but the characters in the story exist....sort of.

I think that Trump was genuinely trying to stop the NWO, but he is not doing it any more because he is now either dead or being controlled.

Probably a similar situation with Putin.
Do you mean that Trump and Putin weren't controlled until they reached a certain level of power? Otherwise how, or even why, were they trying to stop the NWO? Surely they would want the NWO?
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Old 17-04-2018, 09:21 PM   #7
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The script is all set for the USA to try and cut off the internet!!

All this 'cyber attack' BS is about that agenda.
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Old 17-04-2018, 09:35 PM   #8
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When you first come accross Putin in conspiracy circles we are told he kicked out the oligarchs and imprisoned some of them, thus we make the conclusion he is "anti NWO"

In sort of the same way they did the same with Trump. Although the Trump deception is a far easier one to call bullshit.

In reality Putin jailed one or two oligarchs but is friends with a whole bunch of others. He partially nationalized some of Russia's oil infrastructure. So a sort of hybrid between the old Soviet system and the capitalist world.

Putin told us 911 conspiracies are false. Big mark against him.

Putin hesitates to sell S-400 or even S-300 anti missile systems to Iran or Syria.

Putin is good friends with NWO Knight of Malta heavy hitter Henry Kissinger.

Putin is close to Chabad Lubavich in Russia, he is in with the Russian/Jewish mobsters who also back Trump. So in reality the "Russian collusion" story is not entirely false.

Yet on the other hand he is fighting ISIS and stopping US and Israeli plans in Syria.

What are his motives for this?

Is Putin just playing "good cop" to the Wests "bad cop"

I think I don't really trust Putin, but he is better than any western leader. Probably all a ruse though. He is doing good on Syria though.

Remember he also basically let the West take out Gaddafi and at least "feigned outrage"

Something is definately going on and things are not what they seem.

I don't think we are getting an accurate assessment of the truth either on the MSM or alt media.

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Old 17-04-2018, 09:59 PM   #9
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Do you mean that Trump and Putin weren't controlled until they reached a certain level of power? Otherwise how, or even why, were they trying to stop the NWO? Surely they would want the NWO?
No one in their right mind would want the NWO.

What do the ptb do if Trump flat-out refuses to be controlled - They would have to kill him (or put him under house arrest) with a similar fate for his family and close associates (look at the long list of Trump associates who are being prosecuted).

Maybe there is no-one actually in the Whitehouse ? Maybe Trump is dead ? But if so, who is it then who is Tweeting all the messages in the name of "Trump" to the MSM ?

The same would happen (as mentioned above) to "Putin" unless he was co-operating.
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Old 17-04-2018, 11:09 PM   #10
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Putin has sent thousands - yep, you read that right thousands of his trolls to infiltrate the forum.

Thousands of Russian registrations over the last twelve months have hit the forum - ok, so they don't get through, but they keep on trying.

I'm not for one moment suggesting that they are attempting to undermine the forum or attack David perse, no more than they will be attempting to undermine other forums or attack their 'message.'

But, they have tried thousands of times to register here - and i am sure that they will have done the same to many other internet forums and sites, purely to house sleeper accounts that can flood the sites / domains with traffic and effectively create a DOS attack to down UK / EU based internet servers.

So, when i read that Putin is attempting a Cyber Attack, and i see the thousands of Russian based regs coming in day after day after day, i see some correlation.

Of course, it could just as well be our friend Tiswas creating thousands of accounts for lols, but i doubt it
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Putin has sent thousands - yep, you read that right thousands of his trolls to infiltrate the forum.

Thousands of Russian registrations over the last twelve months have hit the forum - ok, so they don't get through, but they keep on trying.

I'm not for one moment suggesting that they are attempting to undermine the forum or attack David perse, no more than they will be attempting to undermine other forums or attack their 'message.'

But, they have tried thousands of times to register here - and i am sure that they will have done the same to many other internet forums and sites, purely to house sleeper accounts that can flood the sites / domains with traffic and effectively create a DOS attack to down UK / EU based internet servers.

So, when i read that Putin is attempting a Cyber Attack, and i see the thousands of Russian based regs coming in day after day after day, i see some correlation.

Of course, it could just as well be our friend Tiswas creating thousands of accounts for lols, but i doubt it
a simple use of VPN can cause the illusion or deception of a user being "Russian" can it not ?

This is what I also thought when the MSM was going on about "Russian bots"

How do we really know where people originate from ?

If they were really people connected to Putin, I am sure they would be able to hide their origin.

In fact I think it makes it more likely that these bots DO NOT originate in Russia.

I'd say its likely a set up.
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hm... We have tools to check, VC.

They're Russian.

......... Maybe

3436 so far... and that isn't counting those who used proxy's to register.
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A lot of them are spammers, selling time shares, currency exchange and viagra and that kind of shit.

In fact i'd say 90% were spammers selling that shit.

i'd doubt very much that they're directly related or connected to Putin.

We had a bunch (411, to be precise) register almost the same name - variations of xxxxxNide - all in one day, all Russian / Ukranian, linking to Hardware IP Address, Slobozhenyuk B.Y. PE, Russian ...

All in one day

i doubt they were trying to sign up to share some constructive information

Wankers.

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Putin has sent thousands - yep, you read that right thousands of his trolls to infiltrate the forum.

Thousands of Russian registrations over the last twelve months have hit the forum - ok, so they don't get through, but they keep on trying.

I'm not for one moment suggesting that they are attempting to undermine the forum or attack David perse, no more than they will be attempting to undermine other forums or attack their 'message.'

But, they have tried thousands of times to register here - and i am sure that they will have done the same to many other internet forums and sites, purely to house sleeper accounts that can flood the sites / domains with traffic and effectively create a DOS attack to down UK / EU based internet servers.

So, when i read that Putin is attempting a Cyber Attack, and i see the thousands of Russian based regs coming in day after day after day, i see some correlation.

Of course, it could just as well be our friend Tiswas creating thousands of accounts for lols, but i doubt it
If it was just for a laff, someone is very OCD.
I couldn't be bothered to create 1000 email accounts AND register as members 1000 times. Can you imagine how long that takes?

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A lot of them are spammers, selling time shares, currency exchange and viagra and that kind of shit.

In fact i'd say 90% were spammers selling that shit.

i'd doubt very much that they're directly related or connected to Putin.

We had a bunch (411, to be precise) register almost the same name - variations of xxxxxNide - all in one day, all Russian / Ukranian, linking to Hardware IP Address, Slobozhenyuk B.Y. PE, Russian ...

All in one day

i doubt they were trying to sign up to share some constructive information

Wankers.
You can buy Viagra without a prescription from Boots now guys.
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If it was just for a laff, someone is very OCD.
I couldn't be bothered to create 1000 email accounts AND register as members 1000 times. Can you imagine how long that takes?
We know she does it, Els, she can't help herself.

For the most part is easy to see too

We think of it like more 'care in the community'
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We know she does it, Els, she can't help herself.

For the most part is easy to see too

We think of it like more 'care in the community'
Do you think one of your life's lesson is to be tolerant?
Remember, we became tolerant with Islam way of life and look where we are now. Like that school teacher who couldn't help herself having sex with her student because it was mid life crisis. She got off.
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Do you think one of your life's lesson is to be tolerant?
Remember, we became tolerant with Islam way of life and look where we are now. Like that school teacher who couldn't help herself having sex with her student because it was mid life crisis. She got off.
And he got off too

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No one in their right mind would want the NWO.

What do the ptb do if Trump flat-out refuses to be controlled - They would have to kill him (or put him under house arrest) with a similar fate for his family and close associates (look at the long list of Trump associates who are being prosecuted).

Maybe there is no-one actually in the Whitehouse ? Maybe Trump is dead ? But if so, who is it then who is Tweeting all the messages in the name of "Trump" to the MSM ?

The same would happen (as mentioned above) to "Putin" unless he was co-operating.
Could be true. Not beyond possibility that is it all BS

Trump can't refuse - their minions don't get to refuse! Death would be the least of their worries at that point!

No one in their right mind - but Putin is not in his right mind - if he has one to begin with that is!
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