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Default A galaxy made of 99.9% dark matter

Although it’s relatively nearby, Dragonfly 44 was missed for decades by astronomers because it’s very dim. But there’s more to this galaxy than meets the eye.

Astronomers have now identified and described a galaxy made almost entirely of dark matter, the mysterious unseen stuff known to us only via the force of gravity, which also makes up a significant fraction of the mass of the universe. The galaxy is relatively nearby. It’s called Dragonfly 44. It appears dim even through large telescopes, but looks can be deceiving and astronomers now know that there’s more – much more – to this galaxy than meets the eye.

The findings were published August 25, 2016 in The Astrophysical Journal Letters.

The region of the sky where this galaxy lies – in the Coma galaxy cluster – had been well scrutinized by astronomers over many decades.

Then, in 2015, the Dragonfly Telephoto Array was observing the Coma cluster and noticed something interesting. Upon further scrutiny, the team realized Dragonfly 44 has so few stars that it would be quickly ripped apart unless something were holding it together.

That something, according to the thinking of modern astronomers, is likely to be dark matter.

Astronomers set about trying to determine the amount of dark matter in Dragonfly 44. They first used the DEIMOS instrument ((DEep Imaging Multi-Object Spectrograph) installed on the Keck II telescope in Hawaii to measure the velocities of stars within the galaxy, observing a total of 33.5 hours over a period of six nights.

They found that the stars in this galaxy are moving unexpectedly fast. Because the motions of stars in a galaxy tell you how much matter there is, the astronomers were able to determine the galaxy’s mass. They realized that the amount of mass indicated by the motions of the stars in Dragonfly 44 was much greater than the mass indicated by the visible stars.

The mass of Dragonfly 44 is estimated to be a trillion times that of our sun. That’s similar to the mass of our own Milky Way galaxy, but our Milky Way has more than a hundred times more stars than Dragonfly 44.

In Dragonfly 44, only one hundredth of one percent of the mass appears to be in the form of stars and “normal” matter; the other 99.99 percent is thought to be in the form of dark matter.

Finding a galaxy with the mass of the Milky Way that is almost entirely dark was unexpected, and, what’s more, Dragonfly 44 isn’t the only one. Although these astronomers scrutinized Dragonfly 44 in their study (reported mostly thoroughly upon it), they also reported a population of large, very low surface brightness, spheroidal galaxies within in the Coma cluster. The apparent survival of these ultra-diffuse galaxies (UDGs) in a rich cluster suggests that they have very high masses.

Dragonfly 44 is one of the largest ultra diffuse galaxies in the Coma cluster.

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Our results add to other recent evidence that many UDGs are ‘failed’ galaxies, with the sizes, dark matter content, and globular cluster systems of much more luminous objects.

Study author Pieter van Dokkum also said:
This has big implications for the study of dark matter. It helps to have objects that are almost entirely made of dark matter so we don’t get confused by stars and all the other things that galaxies have. The only such galaxies we had to study before were tiny. This finding opens up a whole new class of massive objects that we can study.

Ultimately what we really want to learn is what dark matter is. The race is on to find massive dark galaxies that are even closer to us than Dragonfly 44, so we can look for feeble signals that may reveal a dark matter particle.

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Bottom line: Dragonfly 44 is a relatively nearby galaxy that appears to be made almost entirely of dark matter.

http://earthsky.org/space/dragonfly-...er-galaxy-2016
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Astrophysics is a mess of disinformation and confusion ... so much so it has spawned a breakaway movement ...Electric Universe ... they have their own forum with some very smart people ...

Most there agree dark mater, and dark energy are non-sense inventions, dreamed up to keep alive a gravity only view of the universe, which is failing rapidly , as new data comes in from space based telescopes...

Other lies are Big Bang , expanding universe , an exclusively fusion powered sun ...

This is a conspiracy to keep humanity in ignorance , instigated by the controllers at universities, who appoint who becomes professors and teachers ...anyone not supporting the lie ends up flipping hamburgers .

http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction

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Astrophysics is a mess of disinformation and confusion ... so much so it has spawned a breakaway movement ...Electric Universe ... they have their own forum with some very smart people ...

Most there agree dark mater, and dark energy are non-sense inventions, dreamed up to keep alive a gravity only view of the universe, which is failing rapidly , as new data comes in from space based telescopes...

Other lies are Big Bang , expanding universe , an exclusively fusion powered sun ...

This is a conspiracy to keep humanity in ignorance , instigated by the controllers at universities, who appoint who becomes professors and teachers ...anyone not supporting the lie ends up flipping hamburgers .

http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/index.php
I think it's interesting how "mainstream" science deals with arguments like these always more often. Maybe they need to be one always step forward from the awakening people? :P
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Nothing in the world of astrophysics should be considered as unlikely, surprising or impossible. It really is an unexplored frontier.
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So in fact we can say that we have explored less than 1% of the matter? Or the rest is studied by quantum physics?
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I think it's interesting how "mainstream" science deals with arguments like these always more often. Maybe they need to be one always step forward from the awakening people? :P

Traditionally they've always had a job to keep up with us in terms of theories.
But lately they have seemed to be speaking about our concepts more openly, possibly more of a case of them adopting what has become popular culture than anything else.

The theory of dark matter is still not proven. CERN has failed to find any evidence, or so they say.
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Astrophysics is a mess of disinformation and confusion ... so much so it has spawned a breakaway movement ...Electric Universe ... they have their own forum with some very smart people ...

Most there agree dark mater, and dark energy are non-sense inventions, dreamed up to keep alive a gravity only view of the universe, which is failing rapidly , as new data comes in from space based telescopes...

Other lies are Big Bang , expanding universe , an exclusively fusion powered sun ...

This is a conspiracy to keep humanity in ignorance , instigated by the controllers at universities, who appoint who becomes professors and teachers ...anyone not supporting the lie ends up flipping hamburgers .

http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction

http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/index.php
You have some great posts sometimes, man. I've known about the Electric Universe/Plasma Theory since I read Eric J. Lerner's book The Big Bang Never Happened. It aligns with my natural sense of things. I never could believe that the universe is only some 80 billion years old or whatever and it happened in a Big Bang where all the atoms in the universe were together in a point with no volume and just exploded into everything. Lerner makes a good case that Plasma Theory (basically that electricity is the dominant force in the universe - not gravity) predicts astrological findings better than conventional astrophysics. The conventional people have to add like 90% of a theoretical thing called Dark Matter to make their predictions square with the research findings.
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Egyptian Book of the Dead also talks about darkness/void this is where things are created. Babies are created in the darkness, seeds are buried in the earth...get it?



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Other lies are Big Bang , expanding universe , an exclusively fusion powered sun ...
Yet all observational data places the EXPANDING UNIVERSE! at points that meet at a central point. The sun and all stars are fusion based. The crazy "electric" universe has more holes in it than a colander Their so called evidence which I completely debunked is the neutrino emissions.

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Haha what a crock. It isn't a conspiracy and nobody who questions this is ostracized as you lie. Cosmology is a massive intricate subject with evolving understanding. Attributing it as a big lie with all conspiring to propagate it whilst simultaneously proclaiming fringe nuts as warriors for the truth......is the height of total arrogance and bullshit

I explained the neutrino question....you ran away from my post
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The crazy "electric" universe has more holes in it than a colander Their so called evidence which I completely debunked is the neutrino emissions.

Have you debunked Lerner? I don't recall neutrinos being discussed in The Big Bang Never Happened.
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Have you debunked Lerner? I don't recall neutrinos being discussed in The Big Bang Never Happened.
Don't waste you energy on him,he is debunking everything that isn't main stream .....and i mean EVERYTHING.

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Have you debunked Lerner? I don't recall neutrinos being discussed in The Big Bang Never Happened.
He is a plasma universe proponent. He makes a barrage of tenuous links and flimsy unsubstabtiated claims.

I don't care to debunk a whole book. You post some of his evidence and I'll show you why it's rubbish.

This is a good start. It's wiki but it has external references to his peers and detailed rebuttal....


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Lerner
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EL universe is nonsense.......that means Nikola Tesala was stupid.....
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He is a plasma universe proponent. He makes a barrage of tenuous links and flimsy unsubstabtiated claims.

I don't care to debunk a whole book. You post some of his evidence and I'll show you why it's rubbish.

This is a good start. It's wiki but it has external references to his peers and detailed rebuttal....


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Physical cosmologists who have commented on the book have generally dismissed it. In particular, Edward L. Wright, the American astrophysicist and cosmologist, was critical of Lerner for making errors of fact and interpretation and criticized specifics of Lerner's alternative cosmology, making the following critiques:

Lerner's alternative model for Hubble's Law is dynamically unstable
the number density of distant radio sources falsifies Lerner's explanation for the cosmic microwave background
Lerner's explanation that the helium abundance is due to stellar nucleosynthesis fails because of the small observed abundance of heavier elements

Lerner's response: http://bigbangneverhappened.org/p25.htm

Dr. Wright is Wrong-- a reply to Ned Wright's "Errors in The Big Bang Never Happened"
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Lerner's response: http://bigbangneverhappened.org/p25.htm

Dr. Wright is Wrong-- a reply to Ned Wright's "Errors in The Big Bang Never Happened"
Explain why you find this persons fringe account so compelling....because clearly you don't understand any of it. His rebuttal consist largely of the dark matter doesn't exist mantra whilst claiming the universe is rife with electric/plasma ......something that is clearly bollocks
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Explain why you find this persons fringe account so compelling....because clearly you don't understand any of it.
I actually read the book. You said you debunked the Electric Universe cuz neutrinos so you explain.
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I actually read the book. You said you debunked the Electric Universe cuz neutrinos so you explain.
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=315320

Posts 4..10...12...76 and 77. I await your informed response

Reading the book doesn't impart understanding. List some of his most compelling evidence
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Two simple things: the modulating effect of plasma on red shift and the unexpected clustering of matter into threads and superthreads in the universe. Conventional theory predicts a smooth expansion. Another one: the Case of the Missing Matter. The conventional prediction turned out to be wrong so they just said "Wulp, there must be Dark Matter then" to fudge it. According to Lerner the data works in Plasma Theory without resorting to fudge factors like Dark Matter. You should read it. Open your mind a little, truegroup. Don't judge so quickly.
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because clearly you don't understand any of it. His rebuttal consist largely of the dark matter doesn't exist mantra whilst claiming the universe is rife with electric/plasma ......something that is clearly bollocks
Wait, what?


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Oh seriously...wait what? In simple terms so you can understand........the black bits
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