If I give Up Religion What am I left with? - Page 11

deadhawk · 06-03-2014, 01:44 AM

no, love exists whether you accept it or not
but deities are not tied in any way to this feeling
what i mean is faith in god, gods or their supplicants is not required to know and accept love
with out gods love there IS still love with out the faith that god loves you, there IS still love
love is not gods to give or receive, it is ours to know

toru · 06-03-2014, 11:40 AM

[ LOVE is of the God ]

LOVE is the FORCE of the God makes and keeps this world exist as it does.
The awareness of the creature being to love is to appreciate the gifted
awareness and the God's Nature and mind not to be overly selfish to care
for everyone.

grandmasterp · 06-03-2014, 12:05 PM

I agree with what you say there.
You are considering ' Invisible Friend Love' some sort of love involving some sort of 'God' or 'God- idea' which is an invisible something or other that you don't get to see sitting opposite you eating breakfast every morning.
Mine was about experiential love between two human beings, the sort of love we might or might not really and definitely encounter with another human being or 'partner' for want of a better term.
This guy says it better than I ever could.....
"If the word “love” is understood in the deepest way, why do we need to say “long-term commitment”? If love is real, we do not need long or short-term commitments, or even a wedding ceremony. True love includes the sense of responsibility, accepting the other person as he is, with all his strengths and weaknesses. If we like only the best things in the person, that is not love. We have to accept his weaknesses and bring our patience, understanding, and energy to help him transform. Love is maitri, the capacity to bring joy and happiness, and karuna, the capacity to transform pain and suffering. This kind of love can only be good for people. It cannot be described as negative or destructive. It is safe. It guarantees everything."
( Thich Nhat Hanh)

the apprentice · 06-03-2014, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toru

[ LOVE is of the God ]

LOVE is the FORCE of the God makes and keeps this world exist as it does.
The awareness of the creature being to love is to appreciate the gifted
awareness and the God's Nature and mind not to be overly selfish to care
for everyone.

The kind of feeling you continually link to the word GOD to, needs no labels, each individual is born with this instinct and knows not its name because it has none as in nature who is now waking up very quickly indeed.

As the cycle of dark turns to light comes around, IE the SON/SUN, the birds do it, the bees do it, it is in the air and as the air warms one makes hay.

toru · 06-03-2014, 11:09 PM

[ To love is to do ]

If you are talking of "love" as such to say "I love you!" or "Do you love me?" you
should think about what you are actually saying(doing) with it. It most likely "I
love you" = "Would you PLEASE be my girl"? Or worse still, could be saying "Please
let me do(what?)"? Earthling seem to miss-use the word "love". To love means to
care for well being of yourself or others. If you want to be able to care for
other's well being you need to be a well being yourself. First you need to love(
appreciate) yourself to be good and respectable to your own knowing to be happy
with yourself. If you have not mastered your own life how do you supposed to guide
your children for their well being? To love is not to say so but to do.

By the way, what happened to the most important point I have made for your attention
that is "The God did not gift your life awareness which does not want to die yet
only to die"? What do you think of your own life or death? It must be at most of
importance to anyone? If you do not allow yourself to disrespect anything anyone not
to lose(die) would be no difficult thing at all as it was the God's best wish for any
one at the first place.

the apprentice · 07-03-2014, 03:46 PM

If there is a "creator" working in the background, then it is working within my own hands, here I can see exactly what is happening and the light shining..

06-03-2014, 01:44 AM	#201
deadhawk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: in hope Posts: 2,940 Likes: 2 (2 Posts)	no, love exists whether you accept it or not but deities are not tied in any way to this feeling what i mean is faith in god, gods or their supplicants is not required to know and accept love with out gods love there IS still love with out the faith that god loves you, there IS still love love is not gods to give or receive, it is ours to know __________________ "I had the clearest doubts of my own identity-and fell in to the oddest metaphysical questionings." ~ HG Wells "Usually I keep my sadness pent up inside where it can fester as a mental illness" ~ Turanga Leela "A mind is like a parachute - it won't work if it's not open" ~ Frank Zappa Last edited by deadhawk; 06-03-2014 at 01:48 AM.

06-03-2014, 11:40 AM	#202
toru Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 123 Likes: 0 (0 Posts)	[ LOVE is of the God ] [ LOVE is of the God ] LOVE is the FORCE of the God makes and keeps this world exist as it does. The awareness of the creature being to love is to appreciate the gifted awareness and the God's Nature and mind not to be overly selfish to care for everyone.

06-03-2014, 12:05 PM	#203
grandmasterp Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The SkegVegas Coast Posts: 31,797 Likes: 2,580 (1,693 Posts)	I agree with what you say there. You are considering ' Invisible Friend Love' some sort of love involving some sort of 'God' or 'God- idea' which is an invisible something or other that you don't get to see sitting opposite you eating breakfast every morning. Mine was about experiential love between two human beings, the sort of love we might or might not really and definitely encounter with another human being or 'partner' for want of a better term. This guy says it better than I ever could..... "If the word “love” is understood in the deepest way, why do we need to say “long-term commitment”? If love is real, we do not need long or short-term commitments, or even a wedding ceremony. True love includes the sense of responsibility, accepting the other person as he is, with all his strengths and weaknesses. If we like only the best things in the person, that is not love. We have to accept his weaknesses and bring our patience, understanding, and energy to help him transform. Love is maitri, the capacity to bring joy and happiness, and karuna, the capacity to transform pain and suffering. This kind of love can only be good for people. It cannot be described as negative or destructive. It is safe. It guarantees everything." ( Thich Nhat Hanh) Last edited by grandmasterp; 06-03-2014 at 12:07 PM.

06-03-2014, 11:09 PM	#205
toru Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 123 Likes: 0 (0 Posts)	[ To love is to do ] [ To love is to do ] If you are talking of "love" as such to say "I love you!" or "Do you love me?" you should think about what you are actually saying(doing) with it. It most likely "I love you" = "Would you PLEASE be my girl"? Or worse still, could be saying "Please let me do(what?)"? Earthling seem to miss-use the word "love". To love means to care for well being of yourself or others. If you want to be able to care for other's well being you need to be a well being yourself. First you need to love( appreciate) yourself to be good and respectable to your own knowing to be happy with yourself. If you have not mastered your own life how do you supposed to guide your children for their well being? To love is not to say so but to do. By the way, what happened to the most important point I have made for your attention that is "The God did not gift your life awareness which does not want to die yet only to die"? What do you think of your own life or death? It must be at most of importance to anyone? If you do not allow yourself to disrespect anything anyone not to lose(die) would be no difficult thing at all as it was the God's best wish for any one at the first place.

07-03-2014, 03:46 PM	#206
the apprentice Inactive Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 22,637 Likes: 2,987 (2,092 Posts)	If there is a "creator" working in the background, then it is working within my own hands, here I can see exactly what is happening and the light shining..