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Old 16-02-2014, 01:36 AM   #1
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I have enjoyed learning what David Icke teaches about religions being worship of the sun, and really being setup to control people. I get that. However I still have plenty of reasons to believe in God.

So if I give up being a christian what do I have left?

From going to church I have a network of good people I can associate with. I can bring my kids up with other kids and protect them from things like drugs and alchohol and premarital sex. I can instill in them bible principals that will help them have a good life.

If I choose to continue worshipping God, where should I get information for encouragement, to build my faith, to understand him, for principals and commandments, wisdom etc if I don't have the bible.

How do I meet like minded people?

If I could walk up to the top of a mountain and speak directly to God about what he wants and approves of etc, then I would. But that is not going to happen, so where do I go from here.

I haven't read every single thing David Icke has brought out, so I don't know if he addresses this information in one of those. Maybe this could be a subject for his next book. If he has brought something like this out, please let me know about it.

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Old 16-02-2014, 11:12 AM   #2
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Giving up your religion is getting rid of the middleman. This would mean if you chose to still follow the words of christ, you deal with christ and god direct. There should be no middle man in your connection/relationship with god.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend
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Old 16-02-2014, 11:21 AM   #3
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Old 16-02-2014, 11:25 AM   #4
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So if I give up being a christian what do I have left?
Logical thinking. Come on you can't honestly think that your life would change one way or the other if you give up christianity?

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From going to church I have a network of good people I can associate with. I can bring my kids up with other kids and protect them from things like drugs and alchohol and premarital sex. I can instill in them bible principals that will help them have a good life.
Who says you can't associate with them outside of church.
Instead of going to church you can spend some quality time with your kids and not get them brainwashed in church.

Just face it your kids is going to drink alcohol as underage and have as much premarital sex as they can get so why not instead of trying to deny these things from them try to educate them about the pro's and con's about that stuff.

As for drugs well some consider cannabis to be a drug but the fact is that it is less harmful for you than tobacco or alcohol.
You could also educate them about different drugs, what they do to you, pro's and con's and so one.

There more you forbid things from your kids the more they are going rebel.

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Old 17-02-2014, 03:01 AM   #5
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Truth.

Courage, as you walk away from the illusion of security and familiar into the unknown.

Finding out who you are instead of believing what you are told.

Freedom from authority.

Spirituality.

Self empowerment.
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Old 17-02-2014, 03:07 AM   #6
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If I give Up Religion What am I left with?

sanity.

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Old 17-02-2014, 03:19 AM   #7
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Old 17-02-2014, 04:02 AM   #8
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sanity.


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Old 17-02-2014, 04:09 AM   #9
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Hi

I have enjoyed learning what David Icke teaches about religions being worship of the sun, and really being setup to control people. I get that. However I still have plenty of reasons to believe in God.

So if I give up being a christian what do I have left?

From going to church I have a network of good people I can associate with. I can bring my kids up with other kids and protect them from things like drugs and alchohol and premarital sex. I can instill in them bible principals that will help them have a good life.

If I choose to continue worshipping God, where should I get information for encouragement, to build my faith, to understand him, for principals and commandments, wisdom etc if I don't have the bible.

How do I meet like minded people?

If I could walk up to the top of a mountain and speak directly to God about what he wants and approves of etc, then I would. But that is not going to happen, so where do I go from here.

I haven't read every single thing David Icke has brought out, so I don't know if he addresses this information in one of those. Maybe this could be a subject for his next book. If he has brought something like this out, please let me know about it.

Peace and love.
Don't have to have religion to believe in a creator. I'm not a christian but a lot of my beliefs are inspired from john of the cross writings, william law, jacob boehme, I also throw in some hermetic stuff, sufism, I could go on and on. I can't think of any other thing creator wants for us other than the taming of what we call self so we can draw nearer to it(creator).
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Old 17-02-2014, 04:10 AM   #10
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You can get some ideas from this podcast, and blend it with your beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlzbT_dL9M8


Also check the links here, because just Sun worship is misleading.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=579

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Old 17-02-2014, 04:27 AM   #11
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OP, tell me what you think of the book of Jude and what it means in as much detail as you can. Perhaps you just need to start exploring the Bible a little deeper and what better ones to do it with than the ones you already have an relationship with.

If they spurn your questions or answers then perhaps you should be teaching them, if that appeals to you at all. The Reptilians David I. has referenced could easily be identified as the fallen angels of Ge:6 and the book of Jude.

Get an e-bible, the programs are free and a standalone one is better than an on-line one as if the net is down then you have no reference to read.

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Old 17-02-2014, 04:37 AM   #12
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Giving up your religion is getting rid of the middleman. This would mean if you chose to still follow the words of christ, you deal with christ and god direct. There should be no middle man in your connection/relationship with god.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend
Precisely. Even the bible says that no human should call a middleman "father" as there is only one Father, the God of Heaven. No priest should allow themselves to be called "father".
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This is turning into another christian thread about the BS bible.
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This is turning into another christian thread about the BS bible.
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I have enjoyed learning what David Icke teaches about religions being worship of the sun, and really being setup to control people. I get that. However I still have plenty of reasons to believe in God.
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But, in my opinion, you are making the classic mistake.

You are equating religion with God.

Icke, for examples exposes the nonsense of all these man-made matrix religions - but that does not imply he does not believe in God - or the Infinite Intelligence/ Conciousness ( the phrase he uses).

He intuits that we ourselves are.....that infinite consciousness (God) at the human level of awareness or expression.


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If I choose to continue worshipping God, where should I get information for encouragement, to build my faith, to understand him, for principals and commandments, wisdom etc if I don't have the bible.
But who says the bible is the word of God??

Only the people who wrote it?

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How do I meet like minded people?
That is kind of implying that only good decent people are to be found in churches???

Good people are everywhere around you - from every religion - and none.


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If I could walk up to the top of a mountain and speak directly to God about what he wants and approves of etc, then I would. But that is not going to happen, so where do I go from here.
if God is omnipotent omnipresent and omniscient - then HE/SHE IS EVERYBODY AND EVERYWHERE. So, why the need to go anywhere?

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Old 17-02-2014, 08:31 PM   #17
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This is turning into another christian thread about the BS bible.
What would you expect to find in the religion section of the forum?
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What would you expect to find in the religion section of the forum?
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I think you should change the name to; exposing religion? this is a slippery slope where you can't discuss religion in a religion forum?...
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I think you should change the name to; exposing religion? this is a slippery slope where you can't discuss religion in a religion forum?...
You can discuss religion(s). You can't promote, preach or recruit for a particular religion.
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