The Bible is Bullshit for supporting slavery? - Page 3

lionofomega · 16-02-2014, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ronisron

I've never read it but lately some good things from it have been jumping out at me. Eph 6:11 is awesome, there's also Love thy neighbor as thy love themselves, It's easier to thread a needle with a camel/cable than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, etc. Ignore the bad stuff, take the good. Or not. Whatever floats your boat.

Well, that's what's we're left with pretty much. We have to sift through it since the followers of Satan revised much of the bible to suit their own (Satan's) ends. In reality, God would never sanction ritual blood sacrifice, for example. God is not the tyrant. Only his enemies want his would-be followers to think so, which is why they re-wrote much of scripture, thinking they can overthrow the rightful dominion of the Creator.

grandmasterp · 16-02-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by megahertz

Sure it did, the old south just saw it the same way OT Jews did, gentiles made into slaves could be kept as a slave until death, that is why I said the Gentiles were changed by Acts:10

Le:25:44-46:
Both thy bondmen,
and thy bondmaids,
which thou shalt have,
shall be of the heathen that are round about you;
of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you,
of them shall ye buy,
and of their families that are with you,
which they begat in your land:
and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you,
to inherit them for a possession;
they shall be your bondmen for ever:
but over your brethren the children of Israel,
ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Makes sense ring fencing Jubilee Release to kith and kin.
That was the black slaves fecked then.
You don't let expensive stock wander off the land.
No Jubilee release for those lads and lasses.

rapunzel · 16-02-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by megahertz

All slaves had to be released in a jubile year.

Le:25:10:
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year,
and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof:
it shall be a jubile unto you;
and ye shall return every man unto his possession,
and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Le:25:39:
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor,
and be sold unto thee;
thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
Le:25:40:
But as an hired servant,
and as a sojourner,
he shall be with thee,
and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile:

Gentiles became equal heirs in Acts:10 so along with Gentile food being made clean Gentiles as a whole were also made 'clean'.

Jubilee year release of slaves only applied to Israelites not Gentiles. It may surprise you to learn that Acts is not part of the Old Testament and whatever is said there cannot be applied to conditions in OT times.

logos880 · 16-02-2014, 04:30 PM

the israelites didn't practice chattel slavery.

deut 23:15 "If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master."

grandmasterp · 16-02-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by logos880

the israelites didn't practice chattel slavery.

deut 23:15 "If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master."

That implies " keep the slave yourself".
Slave is a slippery term.
We tend to think 'African American' ante-bellum.
Things were much subtler back in the day.
We had bonded serfs in England for centuries.
Israelites had extended 'family' groups containing non blood kinship members who worked for the common good for board and keep but were not paid 'wages'.
Were those 'slaves'?

logos880 · 16-02-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by grandmasterp

That implies " keep the slave yourself".

no, I don't think so. it means that it's kosher for a slave to flee their master.

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Originally Posted by grandmasterp

Slave is a slippery term.
We tend to think 'African American' ante-bellum.
Things were much subtler back in the day.
We had bonded serfs in England for centuries.
Israelites had extended 'family' groups containing non blood kinship members who worked for the common good for board and keep but were not paid 'wages'.
Were those 'slaves'?

yep. still paid 'wages' just in the form of food and shelter.

grandmasterp · 16-02-2014, 06:00 PM

I dunno man.
Slaves in the old south were fed and had cabins.
Still and all,maint gonna argue.
It's no biggie and I respect your viewpoint..

the apprentice · 16-02-2014, 06:13 PM

The bible is an old man/mind management manual, nothing else, those who fear death the most tend to get the most out of it, and those who use it for control of the fearful minds will want us to read it and if we don't read it, to tell us about it at any cost.

Well we know, the man in the black gown and the scythe under his arm is catching us up.

The pope was speaking to a non believer, he tells him he is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat, the non believe told the pope, that he thinks the same of him, and the only difference between them is that he believes he has found the cat.

But never tell us what to see.

the apprentice · 16-02-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by grandmasterp

I dunno man.
Slaves in the old south were fed and had cabins.
Still and all,maint gonna argue.
It's no biggie and I respect your viewpoint..

We give our bees a nice house, but still steal their honey.

the apprentice · 16-02-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by itsallinus

If you need to look in some book for moral guidance the problem ain't the book.

They also use the excuse, of showing us where to look, but not what to see.

logos880 · 16-02-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by grandmasterp

I dunno man.
Slaves in the old south were fed and had cabins.
Still and all,maint gonna argue.
It's no biggie and I respect your viewpoint..

I think civil war era slavery was very different than slavery 2000 years ago in the middle east. for starters, it was illegal as a slave to flee.

the apprentice · 16-02-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bikerdruid

the bible says nothing about car theft, but commands the death of men caught having sex.
you claim is bullshit.

My grandfather used to say, Don't be naughty, and if you are don't get caught.

See the head monkey go for a dump and the brothers help his genes move forward.

rapunzel · 16-02-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by logos880

the israelites didn't practice chattel slavery.

deut 23:15 "If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master."

Of course they did'

Lev 25:43-6

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly"

These slaves are property; they are Gentiles and they are slaves for life. That is chattel slavery

logos880 · 16-02-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunzel

Of course they did'

Lev 25:43-6

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly"

These slaves are property; they are Gentiles and they are slaves for life. That is chattel slavery

they are slaves until they flee. you can't ignore deut 23:15.

lionofomega · 16-02-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by super glue

The bible is an old man/mind management manual, nothing else.

No, that's not entirely true. Much of it has been turned into that for obvious reasons, but there is still quite a lot that reveals truth. If they changed it all, it would be too obvious even to the lay person reading through it. An example of the truth would be the parable concerning the "chief cornerstone". It's the one "chess piece" that'll thwart the agenda of God's enemies. Why didn't the revisionists remove those verses? I don't know.

lionofomega · 17-02-2014, 02:56 AM

God would never command this:

Peter 1 2:18
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh."

Only the enemies of God would order such an abomination, such as the scribes who contrived it.

the apprentice · 17-02-2014, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lionofomega

No, that's not entirely true. Much of it has been turned into that for obvious reasons, but there is still quite a lot that reveals truth. If they changed it all, it would be too obvious even to the lay person reading through it. An example of the truth would be the parable concerning the "chief cornerstone". It's the one "chess piece" that'll thwart the agenda of God's enemies. Why didn't the revisionists remove those verses? I don't know.

When empires work together with holy ones to survive, their end is not very far away at all.

Chess is a game of one-upmanship, the bible is also the chess game for those who could not read when it was supposedly altered, like photo shop in many ways, leaving in good conjecture does not mean it is trustworthy.

Like I mentioned before, nobody needs this or any other book to be honest people, we are all born with a standard set of values, wright and wrong are automatically built in.

16-02-2014, 04:30 PM	#44
logos880 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 22,376 Likes: 339 (237 Posts)	the israelites didn't practice chattel slavery. deut 23:15 "If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master." __________________ for as he thinketh in his heart, so is he

16-02-2014, 06:00 PM	#47
grandmasterp Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The SkegVegas Coast Posts: 31,797 Likes: 2,580 (1,693 Posts)	I dunno man. Slaves in the old south were fed and had cabins. Still and all,maint gonna argue. It's no biggie and I respect your viewpoint..

16-02-2014, 06:13 PM	#48
the apprentice Inactive Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 22,637 Likes: 2,987 (2,092 Posts)	The bible is an old man/mind management manual, nothing else, those who fear death the most tend to get the most out of it, and those who use it for control of the fearful minds will want us to read it and if we don't read it, to tell us about it at any cost. Well we know, the man in the black gown and the scythe under his arm is catching us up. The pope was speaking to a non believer, he tells him he is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat, the non believe told the pope, that he thinks the same of him, and the only difference between them is that he believes he has found the cat. But never tell us what to see.

17-02-2014, 02:56 AM	#56
lionofomega Inactive Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 84 Likes: 0 (0 Posts)	God would never command this: Peter 1 2:18 "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh." Only the enemies of God would order such an abomination, such as the scribes who contrived it.