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Old 02-02-2014, 10:02 PM   #1
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Question The Bible is Bullshit for supporting slavery?

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Here are a list of passages from the bible that were used in support of slavery in the past:

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

Romans 13:1-5
" 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience."

Titus 3:1,
"Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"


Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:56 PM   #2
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And to think i was once a Christian....smh
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:07 PM   #3
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I've never read it but lately some good things from it have been jumping out at me. Eph 6:11 is awesome, there's also Love thy neighbor as thy love themselves, It's easier to thread a needle with a camel/cable than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, etc. Ignore the bad stuff, take the good. Or not. Whatever floats your boat.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:14 PM   #4
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I've never read it but lately some good things from it have been jumping out at me. Eph 6:11 is awesome, there's also Love thy neighbor as thy love themselves, It's easier to thread a needle with a camel/cable than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, etc. Ignore the bad stuff, take the good. Or not. Whatever floats your boat.
You can't ignore the bad stuff ronisron, that's why the world has so many problems...tbh
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:22 PM   #5
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I don't think anyone uses the Bible to justify slavery these days.
For sure they used to do that though.
It is still used as a stick by some ' Christians' to beat on gay people with is that old Bible though.
I reckon it's one of those books that people can find in it whatever it is they are looking for.
So ronisron who sounds like a nice guy will find the good stuff in there.
Other people who want to find excuses for their pet hates will find those in there too.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:12 AM   #6
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The Bible includes all kinds of stupid stuff. The Bible is not the problem. The problem is the idiots who believe the stupid stuff.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:19 AM   #7
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I don't think anyone uses the Bible to justify slavery these days.
For sure they used to do that though.
It is still used as a stick by some ' Christians' to beat on gay people with is that old Bible though.
I reckon it's one of those books that people can find in it whatever it is they are looking for.
So ronisron who sounds like a nice guy will find the good stuff in there.
Other people who want to find excuses for their pet hates will find those in there too.
Opposition to homosexuality has nothing to do with the Bible, anymore than opposition to car theft has to do with the Bible.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:20 AM   #8
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Context is a mutherfucker ain't it.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:30 AM   #9
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Context is a mutherfucker ain't it.
Depends what you think of the holy farter
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Old 03-02-2014, 02:02 AM   #10
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The Bible includes all kinds of stupid stuff. The Bible is not the problem. The problem is the idiots who believe the stupid stuff.
true...
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Opposition to homosexuality has nothing to do with the Bible, anymore than opposition to car theft has to do with the Bible.
the bible says nothing about car theft, but commands the death of men caught having sex.
you claim is bullshit.
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Ah go on
It's a rough guide to nature, that might as well have been written tomorrow
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The Bible includes all kinds of stupid stuff. The Bible is not the problem. The problem is the idiots who believe the stupid stuff.
So the concept of love, forgiveness, and treating everyone equally is for idiots huh ?
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So the concept of love, forgiveness, and treating everyone equally is for idiots huh ?
honestly, there is very little of that in the OT.
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Old 03-02-2014, 03:20 AM   #15
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So the concept of love, forgiveness, and treating everyone equally is for idiots huh ?
The bible includes lots of stupid stuff. That's an irrefutable fact.

I didn't say that everything in the bible is stupid. It's not.

Try learning to read with comprehension.
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So the concept of love, forgiveness, and treating everyone equally is for idiots huh ?
All these positives are outweighed because if the bible supports slavery then love, forgiveness, and treating everyone equally goes right out the window. The level of contradiction is honestly to extreme.
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You're combining Mosaic law with the Pauline letters.

That's your first problem.

Anyway, there are specifications on how one is to treat a slave in the oral tradition, mishnah.

But you are right, using the bible alone for treatment of slaves is horrendous.
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You're combining Mosaic law with the Pauline letters.

That's your first problem.

Anyway, there are specifications on how one is to treat a slave in the oral tradition, mishnah.

But you are right, using the bible alone for treatment of slaves is horrendous.
Slaves in the OT meant the whole family was involved and no slavery (without consent) could last longer than 7 years.

M't:11:29:
Take my yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
M't:11:30:
For my yoke is easy,
and my burden is light.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:08 AM   #19
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There are many, many reasons why the bible is bullshit. supporting slavery is just one of then.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:23 AM   #20
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You can't ignore the bad stuff ronisron, that's why the world has so many problems...tbh
That it contains bad stuff does not mean it IS "bullshit", but just.....that it CONTAINS SOME "bullshit".

If used with Reason, under guidance of wholesomeness, good can be found (and bad avoided) in the Bible.

The problem comes if we take it wholesale without filtering it with such guided Reason. When we fail to filter it so, it becomes a means of evoking evil.
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