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Old 13-01-2018, 03:39 AM   #81
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I see
Maybe i dont
Your right in that regard
If Waves is a shill
Then id be willing to swallow that and say so
I dont think he is
Thats all i can really say ?
All I have to say is why would somebody continuously want to suppress material that exposes a very important aspect of the NWO.

Waves and his friend Mranderson have made it their personal responsibility to attack and suppress all of my threads.

Anyways stick around, observe, read, look for trends. If you want to search for the truth, you will find it.
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Old 13-01-2018, 03:46 AM   #82
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Im not so convinced that im actually in search of truth anymore my friend..
For what does that actually mean?
What i do know is that Wave is on point searching a broad spectrum of areas that all coincide on the Spiders web
Dont be fooled by my "join date" ....i lurked a good while before i starting playing the arpeggios.....
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Old 13-01-2018, 04:42 AM   #83
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Waves and his friend Mranderson have made it their personal responsibility to attack and suppress all of my threads.
maybe we are destined to become friends , sometimes that happens

for whatever reason you first think you really don't like a person then you realize it was because they were making you re think about an aspect of yourself

sometimes that thought just passes go without collecting $200 and nothing ever comes of it

sometimes you work your differences out and form a strong bond

we are all on the same ship vancity , theres a strong possibility ( a certainty ) that the ideologies we both talk about exist in tandem and you have specialized in opposing one and I have specialized in opposing one

but they are both wings of the same bird aren't they

and that's the other thing waves takes more time than me pointing out and trying to find middle ground

but it seems to stop and get reset back to he said she said which is a shame

about ten posts into introducing myself to you I suggested we were both working to expose the same thing eventually

labels get our wires crossed , I don't blame anyone in particular for this

it;s not the sole responsibility of one ideology or one faction of this Earth for all the woes , that's a bit of a cop out if you ask me

and personal responsibility is where the revolution begins

in the heart of the individual when they take step of their own actions in the world

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Old 13-01-2018, 01:09 PM   #84
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On a serious note
Theres 2 posters on this forum that i follow just because
they just know
Wave is one (relentless in pursuit)...
the other hasnt posted in a while.....
mmmmm
just sayin
If Wave turned out to be a shill....
Id have to question more than id have thought.....
as i said
Just sayin......because
I'm the most outspoken critic of central governments and corporations so if i'm shilling who the hell would be paying me?

lol
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Old 13-01-2018, 01:13 PM   #85
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oh you are so disingenuous Iamwave

I've never seen you say

"its not about the left guys its about the SMART grid"

"its not about Clinton guys its the SMART grid"

"its not about Cultrual Marxism guys its the SMART grid"

"its not about socialists or immigration guys its the SMART grid"

but of course YOU CHOOSE WHEN TO REMIND US OF THIS and its always when the elitist agenda you are protecting is brought up that you desperately try to remind us of these things, attack people, and derail threads.
I've explained this to you a number of times

The 'left' as portrayed in the corporate media is basically pushing for centralised government which is leading us to the technocratic state

The 'right' can be split into the state-capitalists and the libertarian-capitalists

The state capitalists obviously support a bailout of the central banks which benefits the rothschild cabal

The libertarian capitalists can also be split because some of the people claiming to be libertarians are really just the corporate-cabal seeking to have government deregulate their corporations so that the cabal can consolidate its power

However there are many small operators and private citizens who are libertarians and just want the government to leave them alone

That second group of which i am a part is the one constantly demonised and villified by the state-left because they are the ones saying that they don't buy into the technocratic communist vision of the rothschild cabal

But you DO buy into that vision don't you vancity?

The rothschild cabal would definately like everything you say here and i'm sure soros et al would pay an acitviist like you for the work you do here for their grand project
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this article from the VISUP website (one of the best sources of information on the net) explains the civil war between rival elite factions. Here are some important excerpts. What I have been calling the "Progressive faction" is often referred to as the "eastern establishment" . This speaks to how they got behind "progressive movements" and established their political goals behind the Council on Foreign Relations. Later the Far right or Fascist faction organized behind what was known as the American Security Council, which later spawned the Council for National Policy in the early 1980's.


http://visupview.blogspot.ca/2013/08...-security.html

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The Eastern Establishment did in fact provide financial backing to the progressive movement and even some communists in the United States since the early twentieth century but this was hardly done out of some deep-seated socialistic impulse.

"More than fifty years ago the Morgan firm decided to infiltrate the Left-wing political movements in the United States. This was relatively easy to do, since these groups were starved for funds and eager for a voice to reach the people. Wall Street supplied both. The purpose was not to destroy, dominate, or take over but was really threefold: (1) to keep informed about the thinking of Left-wing or liberal groups; (2) to provide them with a mouthpiece so they could 'blow off steam,' and (3) to have a final veto on their publicity and possibly on their actions, if they ever went 'radical.' There was nothing really new about this decision, since other financiers had talked about it and even attempted it earlier. What made it decisively important this time was the combination of its adoption by the dominant Wall Street financier, at a time when tax policy was driving all financiers to seek tax-exempt refuge for their fortunes, and at a time when the ultimate in Left-wing radicalism was about to appear under the banner of the Third International."

(Tragedy and Hope, Carroll Quigley, pg. 938)



The conspiratorial right has long alleged that Wall Street bankers financed the Bolshevik revolution in Russia that led to the formation of the Soviet Union and there is indeed compelling evidence that Lenin and Trotsky had such support. But this was almost surely done for the same reason that Morgan and other Wall Street bankers backed the American progressive movement: to hedge their bets and maintain some degree of control over it. But whatever aspirations the Eastern Establishment had for the Soviet Union seems to have been thoroughly dashed by the 1930s: Lenin was dead, Trotsky was exiled, and while some intellectuals may still have carried a torch for Stalinism Wall Street was thoroughly disillusioned and more than a little weary. But I digress.

While the Eastern Establishment was the dominate power in America politics until the 1960s it was not the only one. Indeed, even before World War II another faction was beginning to emerge to challenge the Eastern Establishment. Various factors led to the state of affairs.

The rise of organized crime, especially the billion dollar international drug trade, played a significant role but such a topic is beyond the scope of this series. The role drug trafficking played in the fascist counterrevolution that unfolded in the second half the twentieth century will be examined when I address the World Anti-Communist League in a future series. For now let us briefly consider two other factors:



One was the emergence of oil as a cornerstone in modern life. This process had been well on the way before the onset of World War II but by the end of the 1940s oil had surpassed coal as the dominant energy source in the United States, and soon the rest of the world. Old moneyed families such as the Rockefellers and Mellons had long been involved in the oil industry but the colossal domestic oil boom that began with the discovery of the enormous East Texas oil fields in the 1930s and the offshore Gulf of Mexico finds in the 1960s and 70s created a junior wing of the oil cartel, based out of Texas, that is generally been more rightward leaning then its Eastern Establishment predecessors.



H.L. Hunt, whose family has bankrolled far right causes for decades
An even more important development, however, was the rise of what is generally referred to as the military-industrial complex. This had a profound change both in the economic as well as political dynamics of the United States. From an economic standpoint it was instrumental in modernizing large portions of the American South and West.

"...the economic impact... nowhere greater than in the Southern Rim. This is a region that was transformed, and brought into modernity, by World War II, when the defense establishment moved in to take advantage of its benign climate, vast open spaces, extensive and for the most part protected coastline, abundant and cheap labor, and nascent shipping and aircraft industries, altogether pumping in an estimated 60 percent of its $74 billion wartime expenditures into these fifteen states. And as the defense installations and contractors continued to grow with growing defense budgets even after the war --$13 billion in 1950, $50 billion in 1960 --they continued to build up the substructure of the whole economy, in practically every state from North Carolina to California. Indeed, if anyone industry can be said to be the backbone of the Southern Rim, it is defense."
(Power Shift, Kirkpatrick Sale, pgs. 24-25)



While more than a few of the old moneyed Eastern families (i.e. the Whitneys and the Du Ponts) were deeply involved in the defense industry the rise of it profoundly affected the priorities of the American overworld. Whereas previously financial interests had chiefly dominated the American political landscape now oil and defense would become increasingly prevalent.

"The overworld was clearly centered in Wall Street in the 1940s, and CIA was primarily designed there. With the postwar shifts of U.S. demographics and economic structure southward and westward, the overworld itself has shifted, becoming less defined by geography than by the interrelated functions of the petroleum-industrial-financial complex. Cheney's global oilfield services firm Halliburton, today 'a bridge between the oil industry and the military-industrial complex,' was nowhere near the Wall Street power center in the 1940s. This shift in the overworld led by 1968 to a polarizing debate over the Vietnam War. The expanding military-industrial complex, dedicated to winning that war at any cost, found itself increasingly opposed by elements on Wall Street ... who feared the impact of the war's cost on the stability of the dollar."

(The Road to 9/11, Peter Dale Scott, pgs. 6)



For years the Eastern Establishment had promoted its policy agendas through elaborate propaganda campaigns directed at academia and policymakers as well as the general public via various think tanks, most notably the above-mentioned Council on Foreign Relations. By the 1950s the defense industry in conjunction with several oil barons and various far right military and FBI men would create something similar to the Council on Foreign Relations for their own propaganda purposes, among other things.

"Soon what Eisenhower would label the 'military-industrial complex' was asserting itself through new lobbying groups, notably the American Security Council (ASC), founded in 1955. The ASC united old-wealth oil and military corporations with new-wealth businesses in the South and the West, some of which incorporated investments from organized crime."

(ibid, pg. 18)
The ASC was dreamed up by two veteran activists of the far right who had been active in the movement since before the onset of WWII.

"The Joseph McCarthy virulence and the cold war were both at their peak when the ASC began as the Mid-American Research Library. The impetus was provided by the late General Robert E. Wood, then board chairman of Sears, Roebuck & Co. Along with the cantankerous Colonel Robert R. McCormick of the Chicago Tribune ('the world's greatest newspaper,' the colonel used to trumpet, and its radio station's call letters are still WGN), Wood had been a prime mover in the isolationist America First Committee and a prime adversary of the trade union movement. With the growing preoccupation of industry with 'security,' the establishment of a private body that would provide corporations with a blacklist service and loyalty review board was almost inevitable."

(Power of the Right, William Turner, pgs. 199-200)
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basically in a nutshell the so called "eastern establishment" which organized around the Council on Foreign Relations were mainly old money banker types who had built their fortunes after the American Civil war. Most of these guys are names like Rockefellers, Morgans, Carnegie, etc.

the Fascists who today are behind Trump were centered around newer oil barrons who emerged in the Texas area, as well as Military Industrial Complex, high ranking military and intelligence officials. They organized around their thinktank the American Security Council. People like HL Hunt a Texas oil billionaire who at one time was the richest man in America were key figures. HL Hunt is a key figure in the assassination of JFK, which was a coup carried out against "the eastern establishment" by the Fascist NWO element. It is no coincidence that JFK was murdered in Texas, where the Fascists are based. It is also not a coincidence that Alex Jones and many other "conspiracy types" who are proxies for the fAscists are also based in Texas, as was the Bush family. This is the ground zero of their power.

Also what President eishenhower referred to as "the military industrial complex" which he warned of taking over WAS THE AMERICAN SECURITY COUNCIL, which was directly funded by all the major defence industries. Again Eisenhower was representing one faction of the elites while warning Americans of the other faction. This other faction would eventually murder JFK and eventually put Nixon into office, as well as Reagan, Bush, and Trump.

Of course these right wing organizations and figures are not as well examined in conspiracy circles as the likes of the CFR types because these guys control "the truth movement" and "conspiracy circles" and use them as vehicles to push their agenda and attack "the eastern establishment" or "globalists" as they are today called.

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I think a real source of contention between these 2 elite factions goes back to the civil war and how the "eastern establishment" won through the Union and built up their fortunes, whilst the right wing faction were angered that they had lost the war and had their economies destroyed after reconstruction. As has been pointed out, the right wing faction emerged from the South and their new found oil business.

I believe that these 2 factions are still having animosity between them going back to the civil war, and this is also why we have the debate about civil war statues.

If you look at most issues of debate between these 2 factions in the US, it can mainly be characterized as

Republicans vs Democrats
South vs North
Conservative vs Liberal

and thus the 2 separate factions I have been identifying.

Virtually every issue is backed by one of the opposing sides.

There are a few issues where they generally agree which in my estimation seems to be

support for Israel, although the Fascist faction are far more Zionist and belligerent than the Progressive one in this regard.

Both factions are completely pro banker and pro corporation, but again the fascist faction are far more aggressive in pursuing policies which benefit bankers and corporations.
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How about this for a perspective....

beyond all the bullshit we have to ultimately decide a vision for the planet

So Putin talks about how the west is working towards a 'unipolar' world implying a single power centre controlling everyone else and we can certainly see the US encircling russia and china with its military bases as it seeks to build global hegemony

Putin on the other hand argues for a 'multi-polar' world ie one with a few power centres which would at this time be the BRICS, The USA/UK/Israel and the EU

But the 'new world order' conspiracy that people are talking about is one where all peoples are controlled under a central authority which would control everyone through technology

That vision for the world is AGAINST diversity as it doesn't want anyone exercising any autonomy. It wants people to become cogs in a machine that is controlled by the centre. So all cultures are steamrollered by the people behind that vision for the planet. ultimately they seem to want to merge us with machines which i guess solves the culture issue because as machine beings we would lose our human expression

But is there a counter vision for the world? A vision that also looks to interconnect people around the world but without the big brother technocracy?

A global community able to transact and interact through decentralised mechanisms where regional diversity and cultures are still able to find expression

In my eyes that is our challenge: to build a vision that rivals that of the corporate oligarchs

The problem is that they have all the money and they are also organised and have a clear vision and a cohesive gameplan. At the moment we have none of that
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How about this for a perspective....

beyond all the bullshit we have to ultimately decide a vision for the planet

So Putin talks about how the west is working towards a 'unipolar' world implying a single power centre controlling everyone else and we can certainly see the US encircling russia and china with its military bases as it seeks to build global hegemony

Putin on the other hand argues for a 'multi-polar' world ie one with a few power centres which would at this time be the BRICS, The USA/UK/Israel and the EU

But the 'new world order' conspiracy that people are talking about is one where all peoples are controlled under a central authority which would control everyone through technology

That vision for the world is AGAINST diversity as it doesn't want anyone exercising any autonomy. It wants people to become cogs in a machine that is controlled by the centre. So all cultures are steamrollered by the people behind that vision for the planet. ultimately they seem to want to merge us with machines which i guess solves the culture issue because as machine beings we would lose our human expression

But is there a counter vision for the world? A vision that also looks to interconnect people around the world but without the big brother technocracy?

A global community able to transact and interact through decentralised mechanisms where regional diversity and cultures are still able to find expression

In my eyes that is our challenge: to build a vision that rivals that of the corporate oligarchs

The problem is that they have all the money and they are also organised and have a clear vision and a cohesive gameplan. At the moment we have none of that
I agree with Putin that the world should be multi polar.

The elites, especially those on the far right DO NOT WANT "MULTIPOLARITY"

that is why they are against the UN and promote "America first"

They want a world dominated by America, without any input from the UN, BRICS, or the EU.

That is why their "conspiracy" culture and literature is totally anti EU, anti UN, and anti BRICS.

The problem is this, that while we can fight for "multipolarity" or a less centralized control, people like Putin IMO are still within the NWO agenda. Probably playing some sort of "good cop" role.

Putin is still very close, or at least tied to Russian oligarchs of a specific religion. These are the criminal elements who are firmly behind Trump.

Now on the one hand Putin and his BRICS seem to counter the Zionist interests in places like Syria and Iran, however he is still in with these Russian Zionists, and he does seem to cozy up to Trump even though Trump has just recently sent anti tank missiles to Ukraine.

It really seems to be a massive complicated cluster fuck.

The problem is that the elites have the game sowed up, and no matter who wins, they will be there to profit. They have both outcomes figured out, which is why they hedge their bets and back any side to at least have some semblance of control over it.

To put it bluntly I don't trust Putin, although I can applaud many of the things he says.

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I agree with Putin that the world should be multi polar.

The elites, especially those on the far right DO NOT WANT "MULTIPOLARITY"

that is why they are against the UN and promote "America first"

They want a world dominated by America, without any input from the UN, BRICS, or the EU.

That is why their "conspiracy" culture and literature is totally anti EU, anti UN, and anti BRICS.

The problem is this, that while we can fight for "multipolarity" or a less centralized control, people like Putin IMO are still within the NWO agenda. Probably playing some sort of "good cop" role.

Putin is still very close, or at least tied to Russian oligarchs of a specific religion. These are the criminal elements who are firmly behind Trump.

Now on the one hand Putin and his BRICS seem to counter the Zionist interests in places like Syria and Iran, however he is still in with these Russian Zionists, and he does seem to cozy up to Trump even though Trump has just recently sent anti tank missiles to Ukraine.

It really seems to be a massive complicated cluster fuck.

The problem is that the elites have the game sowed up, and no matter who wins, they will be there to profit. They have both outcomes figured out, which is why they hedge their bets and back any side to at least have some semblance of control over it.

To put it bluntly I don't trust Putin, although I can applaud many of the things he says.
Its not really a cluster fuck when you consider that there are levels to the conspiracy. Not everyone is on the same level. Different people are playing out different roles within the conspiracy each believing that their part is the most important part

Above them all is the invisible college on another plane coordinating things

I'll give you an example....

Some people look at how hollywood makes movies about what is going to happen and different people will give different explanations for this

Some people will say that the movies are trying to create that reality by planting those seeds into the collective unconscious, some people say that the movies are 'predictive programming' to prepare people for what is going to happen so that they don't freak out when it does actually happen, some people say that the movies are created spontaneously by people who are picking up these ideas from the collective unconscious and some people say that movies are informing us of what is going to be done as part of a cosmic soul contract whereby we are being given notice and our inactivity is then taken as consent to those things being done.

So which is it?

So some people REALLY are caught up in a drama that they perceive to be 100% real. They really are battling it out and pouring ALL of their time and energies into their particular struggle. But their struggle might only form part of a wider game which is concealed by their struggle

While the supporters are in the stands cheering on their team and investing all of their time, money and energy on that struggle, the owners of the league are sitting back with a cigar and taking in all of the proceeds

Putin made a comment about artifical intelligence recently and how whoever controlled that would become dominant on earth. The chinese are embracing AI, the US is embracing AI and so on

While trump and clintons supporters all cheer those teams on the internet of things is being built which will give AI access to and control over every single device that is part of the internet of things

AI learns alongside a human until it can do the task better then humans at which point the human becomes redundant

AI will be online now and learning from all of us. Are trump or clinton speaking about that? Are they trying to look for alternatives to the internet of things?

No....they are being swept along by the same forces that we all are

Before long we will have robot presidents as a solution to all the divisions eg gender bias, race bias etc.
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