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Old 21-11-2014, 09:19 PM   #441
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It has nothing to do with superiority.
Yes it does. The Masons, even the lowly Masons, are told that there's two types. You are told there are those that are enlightened or illumined, and all Masons even up to the 3rd degree become illumined when they 'see the light,' they ask for the light and the blindfold is taken off, and then they're lifted up by the Grand Master with the proper grip and they're now announced to their fellow brothers, their brethren who are also illumined. Then you have the other class who haven't been through these silly rituals are called the 'profane' which means essentially 'those in the dark', 'the commoners'.
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Old 22-11-2014, 12:59 AM   #442
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Yes it does.
So now you presume to speak for me?

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The Masons, even the lowly Masons, are told that there's two types. You are told there are those that are enlightened or illumined, and all Masons even up to the 3rd degree become illumined when they 'see the light,' they ask for the light and the blindfold is taken off, and then they're lifted up by the Grand Master with the proper grip and they're now announced to their fellow brothers, their brethren who are also illumined.
LOL You really have no idea about Freemasonry. We receive light, but in regards to Masonry. It's not about us being superior to non-Masons nor does the Grand Master "lift" anyone up. The Master of the Lodge presides over the rituals of a Lodge, not a Grand Master.

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Then you have the other class who haven't been through these silly rituals are called the 'profane' which means essentially 'those in the dark', 'the commoners'.
Profane just means someone who isn't initiated. It's not a deragatory term like you are trying to infer it is. Nor do we walk around talking about the profane and how we're better than them. Quit projecting your ignorance as if it is our thoughts, words, or actions.

Again, you show that you are simply forming your posts based not on facts, but on assumptions.
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Old 22-11-2014, 10:00 AM   #443
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Profane just means someone who isn't initiated. It's not a deragatory term like you are trying to infer it is. Nor do we walk around talking about the profane and how we're better than them. Quit projecting your ignorance as if it is our thoughts, words, or actions.
Haha. This is so typical of the propaganda they put out there on the lower levels, and remember even the word 'man' does not refer to ordinary people in Freemasonry, in their religion. The profane are not really men and women. In fact the profane are subhuman and Albert Pike tells us that in his own book. He tells us that freemasonry is a religion, and he says 'Make no mistake, Lucifer is God' -- Lucifer is the light that he is talking about. When you cut through the chase of freemasonry, most people don't get beyond the third degree and they're quite happy as a Master Mason, but 'life begins at 40' and that's what it means, the 40th degree is when they start to tell you what the real truth is.
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Old 22-11-2014, 10:04 AM   #444
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Haha. This is so typical of the propaganda they put out there on the lower levels, and remember even the word 'man' does not refer to ordinary people in Freemasonry, in their religion. The profane are not really men and women. In fact the profane are subhuman and Albert Pike tells us that in his own book. He tells us that freemasonry is a religion, and he says 'Make no mistake, Lucifer is God' -- Lucifer is the light that he is talking about. When you cut through the chase of freemasonry, most people don't get beyond the third degree and they're quite happy as a Master Mason, but 'life begins at 40' and that's what it means, the 40th degree is when they start to tell you what the real truth is.
Here we have a self proclaimed Mason stating Lucifer is Christ. Mostly due to their ignorant interpretation of the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFuEo0Jzd8
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Old 22-11-2014, 03:27 PM   #445
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Haha. This is so typical of the propaganda they put out there on the lower levels, and remember even the word 'man' does not refer to ordinary people in Freemasonry, in their religion. The profane are not really men and women. In fact the profane are subhuman and Albert Pike tells us that in his own book. He tells us that freemasonry is a religion, and he says 'Make no mistake, Lucifer is God' -- Lucifer is the light that he is talking about. When you cut through the chase of freemasonry, most people don't get beyond the third degree and they're quite happy as a Master Mason, but 'life begins at 40' and that's what it means, the 40th degree is when they start to tell you what the real truth is.
I call it the hotel California model, once your checked in, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave, but of course you can do this and what I recommend all masons to do.

When humanity and unity has been established as we were when we were born not hating another person due to their colour or creed, people are taught how to hate and be separate, but they can also be taught how to love, because love is what the human heart knows best.

As adults were owe our children the learning they deserve as ignorant beings, that will unite our whole, not segregate them before they become adults.

You see kindness towards others is a way of life, not an act, like religions and segregation teaches them.

In our own hearts we all know what needs to be done.

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Old 22-11-2014, 09:34 PM   #446
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Haha. This is so typical of the propaganda they put out there on the lower levels, and remember even the word 'man' does not refer to ordinary people in Freemasonry, in their religion.
And what does "man" mean in Freemasonry, which is not a religion. Time and time again you show everyone how very little you know of Freemasonry.

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The profane are not really men and women. In fact the profane are subhuman and Albert Pike tells us that in his own book.
No he doesn't.

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He tells us that freemasonry is a religion, and he says 'Make no mistake, Lucifer is God' -- Lucifer is the light that he is talking about.
Nowhere in Morals & Dogma does he state that "Lucifer is God." Pike also states that Freemasonry is not a religion or a substitute for it.

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When you cut through the chase of freemasonry, most people don't get beyond the third degree and they're quite happy as a Master Mason, but 'life begins at 40' and that's what it means, the 40th degree is when they start to tell you what the real truth is.
Except no such degree exists in Freemasonry.

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Here we have a self proclaimed Mason stating Lucifer is Christ. Mostly due to their ignorant interpretation of the Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFuEo0Jzd8
Some guy in a video claiming to be a Mason states something and it's proof of anything? For all we know, that could be an anti-Mason stating that on camera.

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I call it the hotel California model, once your checked in, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave, but of course you can do this and what I recommend all masons to do.
Actually, Freemasonry is not like the Hotel California as one can simply ask for a demit from any body of Masonry.
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Old 22-11-2014, 10:43 PM   #447
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And what does "man" mean in Freemasonry, which is not a religion. Time and time again you show everyone how very little you know of Freemasonry.


No he doesn't.


Nowhere in Morals & Dogma does he state that "Lucifer is God." Pike also states that Freemasonry is not a religion or a substitute for it.


Except no such degree exists in Freemasonry.


Some guy in a video claiming to be a Mason states something and it's proof of anything? For all we know, that could be an anti-Mason stating that on camera.


Actually, Freemasonry is not like the Hotel California as one can simply ask for a demit from any body of Masonry.
Well you see Hiram Abiff is not a person. That's simply a symbol of self, the higher self, the godhood within man, When they talk about the three unworthy craftsman, they often call it the 'Juwes' like Jack the Ripper used. It's desire, thought and action. That's what they stand for. Desire, thought and action used impulsively will kill the higher god within you and you become the low profane. That's what it means. It's all allegory you see. As they come in the Grand Master is always sat in the East, where the sun rises, and then you go round the alter and you have become a god. That's the secret.
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Old 22-11-2014, 10:49 PM   #448
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Except no such degree exists in Freemasonry.
Nonsense. Either you know and are just being dishonest, or you are one of these porch Masons. The Masons must understand that it was the need for a middle class during the industrial era. That's why they gave, for the first time, what's know as Freemasonry to people who are not of nobility, because the nobles already have their orders, going all the way back to ancient times. The Romans had the Equestrian Order for the nobility, and it's never been any different. Now once you're at the 40th degree, that's when you're into the lower gods. It's modeled after Elohim and the angels, and you've got the orders of the angels all the way up to the illumined gods. Like I said, 'Life begins at 40'. It's all esoteric.
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Well you see Hiram Abiff is not a person. That's simply a symbol of self, the higher self, the godhood within man When they talk about the three unworthy craftsman, they often call it the 'Juwes' like Jack the Ripper used. It's desire, thought and action. That's what they stand for. Desire, thought and action used impulsively will kill the higher god within you and you become the low profane. That's what it means. It's all allegory you see. As they come in the Grand Master is always sat in the East, where the sun rises, and then you go round the alter and you have become a god. That's the secret.
Quit applying your interpretations as if they are Masonic.

FYI, the Grand Master is in charge of a Grand Lodge. The Worshipful Master is in charge of an individual Lodge where these degrees are conferred, and no there is no apotheosis within the rituals of Freemasonry.

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Nonsense. Either you know and are just being dishonest, or you are one of these porch Masons.
None of the above. I'm being honest, I do know you are lying, and I'm far from being the definition of your derogatory term "porch mason."

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Now once you're at the 40th degree, that's when you're into the lower gods. It's modeled after Elohim and the angels, and you've got the orders of the angels all the way up to the illumined gods. Like I said, 'Life begins at 40'. It's all esoteric.
This is all your opinion, not fact. Again, you are making shit up as usual.
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And what does "man" mean in Freemasonry, which is not a religion. Time and time again you show everyone how very little you know of Freemasonry.


No he doesn't.


Nowhere in Morals & Dogma does he state that "Lucifer is God." Pike also states that Freemasonry is not a religion or a substitute for it.


Except no such degree exists in Freemasonry.


Some guy in a video claiming to be a Mason states something and it's proof of anything? For all we know, that could be an anti-Mason stating that on camera.


Actually, Freemasonry is not like the Hotel California as one can simply ask for a demit from any body of Masonry.
It was my own interpretation of a society not an actual paradigm.

In my manuals it also says a brother can re-apply, this means he is not out of the hotel in the song, and as the song suggests, but you can never leave.
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Well you see Hiram Abiff is not a person. That's simply a symbol of self, the higher self, the godhood within man.

When they talk about the three unworthy craftsman, they often call it the 'Juwes' like Jack the Ripper used. It's desire, thought and action.

That's what they stand for. Desire, thought and action used impulsively will kill the higher god within you and you become the low profane. That's what it means.

It's all allegory you see.

As they come in the Grand Master is always sat in the East, where the sun rises, and then you go round the alter and you have become a god. That's the secret.
The lost widows son, Hiram Abiff, is the sun at its lowest position at St Thomas 21 December.

In the Masonic paradigm the God Head, key stone within their arch is the Sun at 21 June solstice.

The only thing that is not allegory is our Sun.

Everything happen within those seven months of summer in the northern hemisphere.
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It was my own interpretation of a society not an actual paradigm.

In my manuals it also says a brother can re-apply, this means he is not out of the hotel in the song, and as the song suggests, but you can never leave.
No, a demit means one has left Freemasonry, but he has the ability to re-enter as long as he left on good terms (ie demit).
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No, a demit means one has left Freemasonry, but he has the ability to re-enter as long as he left on good terms (ie demit).
I see it.

Wait until I have show us all The By-laws, there can never be secrets in my eyes.

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I see it.

Wait until I have show us all The By-laws, there can never be secrets in my eyes.
Section 1404 of the Code & Digest of Idaho:
1. Demits - Any members in good standing (except the Master or a Warden) whose dues are paid, may withdraw from the Lodge at any time, without Lodge action, by giving written notice of his desire to do so at a stated communication, provided, that a member under charges shall not demit or transfer until the charges have been adjudicated.
Regulation 19 of the Code & Digest of Idaho:
(1) Demit. A "demit" is a certificate showing withdrawal from a Lodge of a member holding "Single status."
Now if one is a member of several Blue Lodges then they would could get a Certificate of Withdrawal which removes membership in one Lodge while retaining it in another Lodge. Demits are for removing all membership from the Lodge.

Now you could demit from each individual body you are a member of or you could just demit from the Lodge, and all other memberships in concordant bodies would automatically be suspended since their prerequisites often include membership in a Blue Lodge or eventually stem back to that; think of it like a cascading effect.

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Section 1404 of the Code & Digest of Idaho:
1. Demits - Any members in good standing (except the Master or a Warden) whose dues are paid, may withdraw from the Lodge at any time, without Lodge action, by giving written notice of his desire to do so at a stated communication, provided, that a member under charges shall not demit or transfer until the charges have been adjudicated.
Regulation 19 of the Code & Digest of Idaho:
(1) Demit. A "demit" is a certificate showing withdrawal from a Lodge of a member holding "Single status."
Now if one is a member of several Blue Lodges then they would could get a Certificate of Withdrawal which removes membership in one Lodge while retaining it in another Lodge. Demits are for removing all membership from the Lodge.

Now you could demit from each individual body you are a member of or you could just demit from the Lodge, and all other memberships in concordant bodies would automatically be suspended since their prerequisites often include membership in a Blue Lodge or eventually stem back to that; think of it like a cascading effect.


Yes. They. Are.
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FYI, the Grand Master is in charge of a Grand Lodge. The Worshipful Master is in charge of an individual Lodge where these degrees are conferred, and no there is no apotheosis within the rituals of Freemasonry.
And yet it is the Grand Master, he's the one who will approach you and invite you to dinner or something, and he will introduce you to a nice young lady who will make a great wife for you. And you'll know that's an order when he tells you 'a word to the wise'.
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And yet it is the Grand Master, he's the one who will approach you and invite you to dinner or something, and he will introduce you to a nice young lady who will make a great wife for you. And you'll know that's an order when he tells you 'a word to the wise'.
So the Duke of Kent, who is the Grand Master of UGLE, is in the habit of inviting people round to dinner. Really?

This just shows how little you actually know about Freemasony. What you've written above is just wrong.
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So the Duke of Kent, who is the Grand Master of UGLE, is in the habit of inviting people round to dinner. Really?
Well he's hardly going to be inviting the drunkards and pot bellies stumbling out of the local lodges is he? The THIRD GENERATION Mason, that's the key to it. A third generation can go all the way, up to 360, where you become a God in a sense. But it's generally done at a dinner party, and when the Grand Master introduces you to your wife, you'll know that's an order.
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Well he's hardly going to be inviting the drunkards and pot bellies stumbling out of the local lodges is he? The THIRD GENERATION Mason, that's the key to it. A third generation can go all the way, up to 360, where you become a God in a sense. But it's generally done at a dinner party, and when the Grand Master introduces you to your wife, you'll know that's an order.
Freemasonry has forced marriage?
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And yet it is the Grand Master, he's the one who will approach you and invite you to dinner or something, and he will introduce you to a nice young lady who will make a great wife for you. And you'll know that's an order when he tells you 'a word to the wise'.
Uh huh. Like you would actually know anything about how Freemasonry works, but I'll tell my Grand Master this is what he is supposed to be doing when I see him a few days. FYI, the Grand Master of my Grand Lodge is a first generation Mason.

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The THIRD GENERATION Mason, that's the key to it.
Actually it is not.

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A third generation can go all the way, up to 360, where you become a God in a sense.
More drivel and utter nonsense by you.

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But it's generally done at a dinner party, and when the Grand Master introduces you to your wife, you'll know that's an order.
No Grand Master would do such an order.

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Freemasonry has forced marriage?
No. He's just making things up...again.
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