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Old 27-05-2014, 01:23 AM   #2
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About 140,000 Scots voted for ukip in Scotland bot all of them for Mr Coburn of course
But my god what a history and if true about allocation of giving false information is true and investigated he forfeits his seat in Scotland .

Would you trust ukip or do you believe it's all 'tptb trying to overthrow the people's army
That is the only defiant thong standing up in the uk against the reptile queen and the globalist nwo ?
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I want to know what UKIP's thoughts are on the Royal family.

I want to know why UKIP wants to leave the EU but keep UK, surely what Farage often speak about, 'we can still have a relationship with the EU countries and other countries without actually being in the EU.'

I guess he's correct, however I don't see how that same line of thought can't be extended to the UK, where the UK can be altered so that England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, can be governed by themselves but still share the common relationship that Farage speaks of.

The only difference being that his thinking can be applied to the UK as well as the EU.

It just seems that UKIP are only interested in preserving the UK, whilst the 'I' in UKIP ought also to apply to the UK countries.

In a scenario where the UK leaves the EU, it still won't be able to trade with EU countries unless it's products are legislated to meet EU standards, so even though the UK would be able to set it's own trade standards it would not be able to use those standards if it wants to still trade with EU countries.

It appears then like the UK would probably go back to exploiting the developing countries where regulations are looser, a way of side stepping the EU, and back to the queen and commonwealth.

I'm quite worried that the UK if it became independent for trade would quickly slide into any trade deal it feels would preserve the perceived might of the UK.

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Old 27-05-2014, 10:23 AM   #4
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I want to know what UKIP's thoughts are on the Royal family.

I want to know why UKIP wants to leave the EU but keep UK, surely what Farage often speak about, 'we can still have a relationship with the EU countries and other countries without actually being in the EU.'

I guess he's correct, however I don't see how that same line of thought can't be extended to the UK, where the UK can be altered so that England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, can be governed by themselves but still share the common relationship that Farage speaks of.

The only difference being that his thinking can be applied to the UK as well as the EU.

It just seems that UKIP are only interested in preserving the UK, whilst the 'I' in UKIP ought also to apply to the UK countries.

In a scenario where the UK leaves the EU, it still won't be able to trade with EU countries unless it's products are legislated to meet EU standards, so even though the UK would be able to set it's own trade standards it would not be able to use those standards if it wants to still trade with EU countries.

It appears then like the UK would probably go back to exploiting the developing countries where regulations are looser, a way of side stepping the EU, and back to the queen and commonwealth.

I'm quite worried that the UK if it became independent for trade would quickly slide into any trade deal it feels would preserve the perceived might of the UK.
The UK is not a problem. The City of London is the problem, they are the ones crapping on everyone else. All this SNP stuff is only because you are being screwed by the international financiers in The City of London, like England is. Independance will just make you weaker, which is what they want.
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:39 AM   #5
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Nigel farage has come from a banking background and who else comes from a banking background? david cameron?

I knew something stank about him.

He will take us into a war. Either way he turns there's problems.
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Old 27-05-2014, 11:30 AM   #6
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I want to know what UKIP's thoughts are on the Royal family.

I want to know why UKIP wants to leave the EU but keep UK, surely what Farage often speak about, 'we can still have a relationship with the EU countries and other countries without actually being in the EU.'

I guess he's correct, however I don't see how that same line of thought can't be extended to the UK, where the UK can be altered so that England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, can be governed by themselves but still share the common relationship that Farage speaks of.

The only difference being that his thinking can be applied to the UK as well as the EU.

It just seems that UKIP are only interested in preserving the UK, whilst the 'I' in UKIP ought also to apply to the UK countries.

In a scenario where the UK leaves the EU, it still won't be able to trade with EU countries unless it's products are legislated to meet EU standards, so even though the UK would be able to set it's own trade standards it would not be able to use those standards if it wants to still trade with EU countries.

It appears then like the UK would probably go back to exploiting the developing countries where regulations are looser, a way of side stepping the EU, and back to the queen and commonwealth.

I'm quite worried that the UK if it became independent for trade would quickly slide into any trade deal it feels would preserve the perceived might of the UK.

Excellent points that highlight the wool being pulled over ukips eyes by ukip
This backfires on ukip and tbey will be more toxic than the lib dems
Who made election promises then once in coalition with the torie backtracked on everything
Making them look stupid and unelectable ,

Ukip voters only seem to hear the immigrant and anti Eu stuff they don't question it deeper and a quick look at the ukip manifesto
Makes even less sense it avoids detail like lime the plague .
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Old 27-05-2014, 11:40 PM   #7
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I want to know what UKIP's thoughts are on the Royal family.

I want to know why UKIP wants to leave the EU but keep UK, surely what Farage often speak about, 'we can still have a relationship with the EU countries and other countries without actually being in the EU.'

I guess he's correct, however I don't see how that same line of thought can't be extended to the UK, where the UK can be altered so that England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, can be governed by themselves but still share the common relationship that Farage speaks of.

The only difference being that his thinking can be applied to the UK as well as the EU.

It just seems that UKIP are only interested in preserving the UK, whilst the 'I' in UKIP ought also to apply to the UK countries.

In a scenario where the UK leaves the EU, it still won't be able to trade with EU countries unless it's products are legislated to meet EU standards, so even though the UK would be able to set it's own trade standards it would not be able to use those standards if it wants to still trade with EU countries.

It appears then like the UK would probably go back to exploiting the developing countries where regulations are looser, a way of side stepping the EU, and back to the queen and commonwealth.

I'm quite worried that the UK if it became independent for trade would quickly slide into any trade deal it feels would preserve the perceived might of the UK.
The UK has a trade deficit of 50 billion a year with the EU, if we left we would therefore be 50 billion a year better off and all the stuff we buy off them could be made here instead employing a large chunk of the unemployed. We also save the 20 billion a year we give them in cash, Leaving is a no brainer really.
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Old 27-05-2014, 11:52 PM   #8
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Old 28-05-2014, 12:12 AM   #9
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I want to know what UKIP's thoughts are on the Royal family.
Why? would you vote for them if they promised a "st Valentines day" present?

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I want to know why UKIP wants to leave the EU but keep UK, surely what Farage often speak about, 'we can still have a relationship with the EU countries and other countries without actually being in the EU.'

I guess he's correct, however I don't see how that same line of thought can't be extended to the UK, where the UK can be altered so that England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, can be governed by themselves but still share the common relationship that Farage speaks of.
I agree. If Scotland chooses to go independant there is no reason we cannot continue to trade, England and Scotland are kind of obvious trading partners.
Still the independence question revolves around wanting to break political union: that means breaking currency union too. Which means the value of currency trades will not be equal. That's a big disadvantage over current arraignments for one country or the other and it would be a relationship of competing far more than co-operating. Scotland has to take on a lot of risks if it does go it alone, no denying that.

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The only difference being that his thinking can be applied to the UK as well as the EU.

It just seems that UKIP are only interested in preserving the UK, whilst the 'I' in UKIP ought also to apply to the UK countries.
It would be pretty irrational for UKIP to want to ensure the British Union is protected from takeover by the EU, but also want to break up the British Union. Its perfectly rational for UKIP to make a case for Scotland to stay in the British Union. But if the Scots choose not to: then ofc UKIP respects the will of the people. Thats cos they are not fascists. Or communists.

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In a scenario where the UK leaves the EU, it still won't be able to trade with EU countries unless it's products are legislated to meet EU standards, so even though the UK would be able to set it's own trade standards it would not be able to use those standards if it wants to still trade with EU countries.

It appears then like the UK would probably go back to exploiting the developing countries where regulations are looser, a way of side stepping the EU, and back to the queen and commonwealth.

I'm quite worried that the UK if it became independent for trade would quickly slide into any trade deal it feels would preserve the perceived might of the UK.
Ah here I recognise a good old socialist pro-eu arguments straight off the shelf

If you stop and think about it, you realize that EU rules are potential barriers to trade with the EU. You own post demonstrates it. EU rules make it more expensive to trade with the EU and therefore less profitable. But, the EU needs to sell its goods to the rest of the world as well: internally the EU ensures member states cannot make their own trade agreements and as a consequence of those rules, makes running business far more expensive making it far harder to compete

From outside the EU its a simple cost benefit analysis. Make trade too expensive and its cheaper and more profitable to trade with someone else. And if we are trading with someone else, more profitably, its harder for the EU to then compete with us. Which is good news for us. Politics is politics but trade is trade: The EU has to trade same as everyone else and we can trade with them on terms that suit us. Sounds better to me. Fact is the EU locks the UK out of mind-blowing amounts of trade: some economists put it at 50 billion + better off out. Switzerland? Doing fine, Iceland? Absolutely loving it. We could but wish that was the Britain our leaders had built the last 40 years instead of selling us out and stripping us bare in order to subvert our national identity enough that the EU would appeal to anyone
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The UK is not a problem. The City of London is the problem, they are the ones crapping on everyone else. All this SNP stuff is only because you are being screwed by the international financiers in The City of London, like England is. Independance will just make you weaker, which is what they want.
David Coburn lived and worked in London
He is standing as an mp and ran as mayor candidate
Yet now he us up UN Scotland saying he is patriotic
Scot ,
What did Alex salmond call London again ? "a black hole sucking in the wealth of the uk"
And ukips Scots mep is a london based or is that Edinburgh based , no it's London or how else would he run as an mp there .

And Scots ukip voters think this guy had Scots interests in mind oh dear god
You sad fucks quick convince yourselves think up excuses lol
You sold out to London ffs .
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David Coburn declares he will fight against Scots independence
David Coburn who's address is in Kensington wants Scotland to be ruled by Westminster
And hopes that by being elected, or is that unelected beurocrat in the eu as ukip preach in the eu he will make himself redundant asap lol news.stv.tv/scotland/276615-european-election-results-david-coburn-becomes-ukips-first-scots-mep/

How in hell did ukip fans decide this guy had Scotland's interests at heart. When hasnt lived here in decades and wanted to be mayor of London lol

Well done Scots ukip voters you just told the world your dafties .
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David Coburn declares he will fight against Scots independence
David Coburn who's address is in Kensington wants Scotland to be ruled by Westminster
And hopes that by being elected, or is that unelected beurocrat in the eu as ukip preach in the eu he will make himself redundant asap lol news.stv.tv/scotland/276615-european-election-results-david-coburn-becomes-ukips-first-scots-mep/

How in hell did ukip fans decide this guy had Scotland's interests at heart. When hasnt lived here in decades and wanted to be mayor of London lol

Well done Scots ukip voters you just told the world your dafties .
And yet the EX RBS employee Salmond is not in cahoots with Goldman Sachs to rip the Scottish people off to line his own pockets...Plenty of Scots have NO trust in Salmond...they voted UKIP they want to stay within the UK.
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And yet the EX RBS employee Salmond is not in cahoots with Goldman Sachs to rip the Scottish people off to line his own pockets...Plenty of Scots have NO trust in Salmond...they voted UKIP they want to stay within the UK.
The clues input opening line "ex " more than twenty years ex .

140,000 voted ukip in Scotland's Eu elections
They do not dictate to every other Scot to stay in the union .

Imagine England governed by the snp despite not voting for it ,
Do you think there would be a massive better together campaign ?
It's very different when seen from a Scots point of view isn't it .
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The clues input opening line "ex " more than twenty years ex .

140,000 voted ukip in Scotland's Eu elections
They do not dictate to every other Scot to stay in the union .

Imagine England governed by the snp despite not voting for it ,
Do you think there would be a massive better together campaign ?
It's very different when seen from a Scots point of view isn't it .
Assuming that you do: 51% of the scots able to vote who choose to vote are going to have to agree with you first before you can say you know the Scots pov: you believe you do: thats not quite the same

And its not so different being english you know. think I want a Labour Government? Think I want a Tory one? That's the nature of democracy: the majority of the voters choice is never every voters choice

Scotlands has a Labour government for exactly the same number of days England has, and Wales, and Northern Ireland, Scotlands had a Tory government in just the same way.

A lot of rhetoric gets put out about how without the rest of the UK scotland would only have socialist government, about how without scotland the rest of the UK would always be Tory, and its all bollocks, statistically. Take away scottish votes and every time the westminster government would have been the same. Yes you can take away the scottish labour votes: but you have to add the scottish tory (or lib dem) ones. We get Labour governments becuase thats what the majority of constituency contest return, we get tory governments likewise

What's really different in the last 10 years is the old two party system has become a 3/4 party system, and it is clear that first past the post doesn't reflect that very well: which means the whole of the UK has suffered the "democratic deficit" the same as Scotland has. Part of why voter turnout is so weak is there are so many constituencies where the swing to get rid of the mp sitting is so big it seems there is no point voting anyway: millions of votes dont count for anything

When I read your posts I constantly see democracy called dictatorship: that westminster imposes on scotland. But it seems you dont see thats every bit as much as scotland imposes on westminster

If scots do choose independance, your going to find things arent so neat, because all of the sudden it wont be some force half a days drive away "dictating" to you: it will be the guy right next to you. And your going to have to get used to people not seeing it the same way you do: it wont be possible to blame "them over there" anymore

You yourself are undecided on whether scotland should or should not be in the EU: and actually knowing you don't know is one of the most sensible things people can do: much better than believing we know when we dont

But some people are going to be very decided, and in the immediate aftermath of a pro independance vote there is going to be a heck of an argument up there: does independance mean stand alone or join the big ACTUAL, not emotional, dictatorship across the sea? If it means join the EU, WTF was independance for?

Whether that's better or worse than a simmering continuing resentment among pro nationalists if the verdict comes up "no"....

Well, neither is going to be terribly pretty but its too late now, because its going to have to play out one way or another
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Why? would you vote for them if they promised a "st Valentines day" present?



I agree. If Scotland chooses to go independant there is no reason we cannot continue to trade, England and Scotland are kind of obvious trading partners.
Still the independence question revolves around wanting to break political union: that means breaking currency union too. Which means the value of currency trades will not be equal. That's a big disadvantage over current arraignments for one country or the other and it would be a relationship of competing far more than co-operating. Scotland has to take on a lot of risks if it does go it alone, no denying that.



It would be pretty irrational for UKIP to want to ensure the British Union is protected from takeover by the EU, but also want to break up the British Union. Its perfectly rational for UKIP to make a case for Scotland to stay in the British Union. But if the Scots choose not to: then ofc UKIP respects the will of the people. Thats cos they are not fascists. Or communists.



Ah here I recognise a good old socialist pro-eu arguments straight off the shelf

If you stop and think about it, you realize that EU rules are potential barriers to trade with the EU. You own post demonstrates it. EU rules make it more expensive to trade with the EU and therefore less profitable. But, the EU needs to sell its goods to the rest of the world as well: internally the EU ensures member states cannot make their own trade agreements and as a consequence of those rules, makes running business far more expensive making it far harder to compete

From outside the EU its a simple cost benefit analysis. Make trade too expensive and its cheaper and more profitable to trade with someone else. And if we are trading with someone else, more profitably, its harder for the EU to then compete with us. Which is good news for us. Politics is politics but trade is trade: The EU has to trade same as everyone else and we can trade with them on terms that suit us. Sounds better to me. Fact is the EU locks the UK out of mind-blowing amounts of trade: some economists put it at 50 billion + better off out. Switzerland? Doing fine, Iceland? Absolutely loving it. We could but wish that was the Britain our leaders had built the last 40 years instead of selling us out and stripping us bare in order to subvert our national identity enough that the EU would appeal to anyone


But this is where I don't understand you John.

I fully understand your position of wanting to bring to an end the centralized
nonsense of the EU...........but, it seems at the same time you want to maintain and protect the Elite's original fake 'UNION'
....the UK, the mechanism it used to spread it's control over half the world via the so-called 'British/Elite Empire'.

Surely the end of the EU AND the independence of Scotland is what all real true lovers of freedom would want.

So then we would see the end of BOTH of these Elite-creations.

However, sadly, it seems you guys seem to want the end of only ONE of these Elite-inspired political creation.............
while you want to protect the other.

Something doesn't smell right here, John.

Maybe I am misjudging you as maybe you now want to focus your total attention on the battle in hand ....using the rise
of uKIP as a TOOL to destroy this EU fascist state.

That is wise enough as a political tactic............but could you tell us what are your views and beliefs about the UK and it's future.

Do you see it as a creation of the self-same Elite who are trying to create this EU?

And if not, why not?

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And yet the EX RBS employee Salmond is not in cahoots with Goldman Sachs to rip the Scottish people off to line his own pockets...Plenty of Scots have NO trust in Salmond...they voted UKIP they want to stay within the UK.
Why are YOU alway protecting this Elite -created UK 'union'.............while at the same time you pretend to hate the Elite-created larger 'union' of the EU?

IT don't make sense.
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But this is where I don't understand you John.

I fully understand your position of wanting to bring to an end the centralized
nonsense of the EU...........but, it seems at the same time you want to maintain and protect the Elite's original fake 'UNION'
....the UK, the mechanism it used to spread it's control over half the world via the so-called 'British/Elite Empire'.

Surely the end of the EU AND the independence of Scotland is what all real true lovers of freedom would want.

So then we would see the end of BOTH of these Elite-creations.

However, sadly, it seems you guys seem to want the end of only ONE of these Elite-inspired political creation.............
while you want to protect the other.

Something doesn't smell right here, John.

Maybe I am misjudging you as maybe you now want to focus your total attention on the battle in hand ....using the rise
of uKIP as a TOOL to destroy this EU fascist state.

That is wise enough as a political tactic............but could you tell us what are your views and beliefs about the UK and it's future.

Do you see it as a creation of the self-same Elite who are trying to create this EU?

And if not, why not?
I'm simply addressing vorwahr's post on the level of his own.

You and I both know the real enemy is the illuminati within: that's where the illuminati without manifest from

And in a way, that's what I'm encouraging Vorwahr to see: it isn't just a matter of getting a Yes vote in a Scottish referendum: everything he seeks to escape from getting a Yes is still going to follow him

The issue is not that britain is lovely and the EU is ruining it: the issue is that the EU is everything wrong with britain writ larger and made worse, so we have to resist as part of resisting being dragged into global dictatorship, but the same battle against that consciousness exists on every level, and until we can win it within we cant do anything meaningful and lasting without
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Why are YOU alway protecting this Elite -created UK 'union'.............while at the same time you pretend to hate the Elite-created larger 'union' of the EU?

IT don't make sense.
My comment was only to our dog loving friend ....I am married to a Scot who would love his country to vote YES ...BUT only if there is a guarentee not to join the EU.
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The clues input opening line "ex " more than twenty years ex .

140,000 voted ukip in Scotland's Eu elections
They do not dictate to every other Scot to stay in the union .

Imagine England governed by the snp despite not voting for it ,
Do you think there would be a massive better together campaign ?
It's very different when seen from a Scots point of view isn't it .
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Really ,because I am sure you have thown up many times Nigel Farages old job in the city 20 years ago as a trader as one of the reason he can not be trusted .
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I'm simply addressing vorwahr's post on the level of his own.

You and I both know the real enemy is the illuminati within: that's where the illuminati without manifest from

And in a way, that's what I'm encouraging Vorwahr to see: it isn't just a matter of getting a Yes vote in a Scottish referendum: everything he seeks to escape from getting a Yes is still going to follow him

The issue is not that britain is lovely and the EU is ruining it: the issue is that the EU is everything wrong with britain writ larger and made worse, so we have to resist as part of resisting being dragged into global dictatorship, but the same battle against that consciousness exists on every level, and until we can win it within we cant do anything meaningful and lasting without
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