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Old 30-05-2014, 02:09 PM   #41
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But you don't judge a party by its members, you judge it by its politics.
Are not activities and beliefs, along with words and statements, part of politics?

I don't care if a UKIP party member or supporter looks a certain way, although, I do make an exception for the slimey faced Nigel Homer Simpson Farage.

How do you separate party members from party politics? For example, Nigel Homer Simpson Farage has had dinner with Rupert Murdoch. That would not matter at all? Nigel is also close to the Barclay twins, who are tax dodgers and who just happen to own major media in this country...bit like old serpent Murdoch.

How do you separate the actions, deeds, speech, beliefs of the people who power the party, from the "party's politics"? In that case, how would we navigate anything at all in life, if not for the actions, behaviours, beliefs, and speech of the people who make up institutions, businesses, political parties, governments?

Their actions are very much part of their politics. Or do you wish to suggest that people who are racist, homophobic, islamophobic and generally intolerant, with no appreciation for who is really causing us so much misery, are actually arguing for or representing some kind of humane strain of politics?
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Old 30-05-2014, 04:37 PM   #42
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I can't say their 'championing' of gollywogs surprises me.

However, good on those twits in the photos for showing their true colours. Just confirms all my misgivings yet again.
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Old 30-05-2014, 04:46 PM   #43
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I can't say their 'championing' of gollywogs surprises me.

However, good on those twits in the photos for showing their true colours. Just confirms all my misgivings yet again.
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Mr Etheridge was ejected from the Conservative party in March 2011 after he and his wife Star Etheridge posed with golliwog dolls on Facebook to make a point about political correctness. Their point was certainly made – but not the way they had hoped.
See ...CONSERVATIVE .
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Old 30-05-2014, 04:49 PM   #44
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See ...CONSERVATIVE .
Yes, Conservakips

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJLomgfoCIY

Beware what you wish for.

Same old stories about growth using posh words like prosperity.

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Old 30-05-2014, 04:53 PM   #46
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See ...CONSERVATIVE .
They were rightly booted out of the Tories and it seems they've found a 'home' in their new party.
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Old 30-05-2014, 04:54 PM   #47
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I can't say their 'championing' of gollywogs surprises me.

However, good on those twits in the photos for showing their true colours. Just confirms all my misgivings yet again.
I want to see UKIP asking black people how they feel about. Not the ones they are paying, not a homeless man they'll give £10 to if he says it's fine, but real, ordinary black people.

So far all I've heard is white people sentimentally crying for the good old days of golliwogs. Hmm, so when exactly do the original 'muses' of the golliwog creation get a voice?
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never gonna happen ...not on my watch ...
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Old 30-05-2014, 05:16 PM   #49
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I want to see UKIP asking black people how they feel about. Not the ones they are paying, not a homeless man they'll give £10 to if he says it's fine, but real, ordinary black people.

So far all I've heard is white people sentimentally crying for the good old days of golliwogs. Hmm, so when exactly do the original 'muses' of the golliwog creation get a voice?
Of course that 'survey' will never take place. They'll make themselves look even more of an anachronism.
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Old 30-05-2014, 05:28 PM   #50
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I want to see UKIP asking black people how they feel about. Not the ones they are paying, not a homeless man they'll give £10 to if he says it's fine, but real, ordinary black people.

So far all I've heard is white people sentimentally crying for the good old days of golliwogs. Hmm, so when exactly do the original 'muses' of the golliwog creation get a voice?
What have Golli Dolls got to do with UKIP ???
the picture was taken in 2011 when the two gimps were in the Conservative Party ....why are you mixing the two up ?? oh hold on ...
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Old 30-05-2014, 08:27 PM   #51
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Hmmm, well speaking as an ancient old git of 45 years, I don't remember anyone playing with "Golliwogs" during my childhood ..... As I recall, they were looked upon as rather idiotic, dated Victorian playthings. Just sayin'.
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Old 30-05-2014, 08:50 PM   #52
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Hmmm, well speaking as an ancient old git of 45 years, I don't remember anyone playing with "Golliwogs" during my childhood ..... As I recall, they were looked upon as rather idiotic, dated Victorian playthings. Just sayin'.
I agree with you. They had their time & now people talk about 'pc' messing everything up, but . . . that doesn't stop the fact that the dolls do have a stigma attached to them & people (as on the photo) are sending out a clear message when they pose with them, imo.
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Old 30-05-2014, 09:08 PM   #53
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What have Golli Dolls got to do with UKIP ???
the picture was taken in 2011 when the two gimps were in the Conservative Party ....why are you mixing the two up ?? oh hold on ...
Is that a genuine question? Is Nigel Farage's past as a Tory relevant either? Or are we operating in the "grannie27 said these people are all plants, if they did it when in the Cons party then it does not matter" fantasy?

The gimps, as you rightly identify them, are UKIP fuckwits. They could join the Freedom of Jamaica Party for all I care, but they're still racists.
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Old 30-05-2014, 09:12 PM   #54
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Hmmm, well speaking as an ancient old git of 45 years, I don't remember anyone playing with "Golliwogs" during my childhood ..... As I recall, they were looked upon as rather idiotic, dated Victorian playthings. Just sayin'.
I remember them being mentioned in storybooks when I was a child...Enid Blyton anyone?? I was a child, so I didn't get it then. Just like as a child I didn't wonder why all dolls I saw were white/bright pink. We used to mimic gunfights, and often played cowboys and injuns. Naturally the cowboys always won, and the injuns were badduns. Then I grew up, and saw what the agenda was.
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I agree with you. They had their time & now people talk about 'pc' messing everything up, but . . . that doesn't stop the fact that the dolls do have a stigma attached to them & people (as on the photo) are sending out a clear message when they pose with them, imo.
So they're trying to "recapture" a "glorious era" which, perversely, never really existed, aren't they? If they burnt a stars n' stripes, they'd have my respect .... pandering to Daily Wail readers like this just makes me regard them with contempt!
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Old 30-05-2014, 09:19 PM   #56
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What have Golli Dolls got to do with UKIP ???
the picture was taken in 2011 when the two gimps were in the Conservative Party ....why are you mixing the two up ?? oh hold on ...
Gollywog, the word is Gollywog.

Anyone holding up a gollywog, it is pretty clear what they are saying.

From the party whose leader brought you 'the nig nogs will never vote for us'. Mine's a pint Nigel!
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Old 30-05-2014, 09:47 PM   #57
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Aha. Nigel Farage, the hypocrite, like all the political scum past, present and future. UKIP and its racist members, and supporters, want to pretend that if they ridicule nationalities then it's NOT racist. Sadly, Nigel Liar Farage considers it extremely racist if the "English"(himself) is rejected.

To clarify: UKIP can pisstake other nationalities, and mock and insult to their hearts content. Other nationalities cannot mock the "English"/Nigel Farage. Sound familiar???


Read this to see more:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...-racist-party/


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At the end of the party’s spring conference the delegates assembled for their gala dinner, where they were entertained by a comedian called Paul Eastwood. Milking what the Telegraph’s Steve Swinford described as “rapturous applause”, Eastwood told the following jokes.

Referring to the Olympics, Eastwood said: “Poland did well. They took home bronze, silver, gold, lead, copper – anything they could get their hands on.”

“Team Somalia – they did well, didn’t they? They had to apologise. Didn’t realise sailing and shooting were two different events.”

Implying the Midlands was mostly populated by Asian people he said: “Any Midlands people here? Wonderful! My favourite accent is a Midlands accent.” The comedian then tried to do an Asian accent and branded the Islamic call to prayer a “traditional Midlands folk song”.

That is the definition of racist humour. A white man standing up getting laughs as he makes derogatory jokes in a fake Asian accent. It’s the comedy of “Mind Your Language”. And the Ukip delegates loved it.

Any mainstream party leader would immediately disown such comments. Given the opportunity to do so Nigel Farage, pointedly, chose to defend them. "I'm not going to comment on individual jokes, but I think we're in huge danger here. This was a guy telling jokes about national stereotypes, not racial stereotypes.”

That response was instructive. Not because of what it says about the Ukip leader’s sense of humour, but because it goes to the heart of his party’s entire political strategy.

Over the past year Ukip has gone beyond raising general concerns about immigration to directly targeting and stigmatising individual national groups. Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and Albanians are amongst the favourite targets. And, as Nigel Farage said at the weekend, he believes that’s fine because they represent national, not racial stereotypes.

But of course it isn’t fine. As Farage, in a separate context, has himself acknowledged.

Last May Farage visited Edinburgh, where he was met by a small but aggressive mob of protesters. Eventually he had to be escorted from the scene by police for his own safety.

Directly accusing the SNP of being behind the protest, Farage described the protesters as “racist Nazi scum”. The incident was, he said, “deeply racist and displayed a total hatred of the English”.

And he’s right. He wasn’t targeted on the basis of his race, but on the basis of his nationality. And as he said, that was racist. In the same way that when Ukip targets people on the basis of their nationality that’s racist as well.
Like all the elites, and their demonic puppets, one rule for them, and another for others. Don't pick on the "English" but the "English" can pick on every nationality/dark skinned/Eastern Europeans and it's all good. Nigel Farage was also using the incident to further whip up his flock of crazies, and further divide the Scots and English.

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Gollywog, the word is Gollywog.

Anyone holding up a gollywog, it is pretty clear what they are saying.

From the party whose leader brought you 'the nig nogs will never vote for us'. Mine's a pint Nigel!
+ 100 000 000

Did you know that the racist with the golliwog dolls even stood in the elections for the job of Police and Crime Commissioner?


http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...running-231469

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A PROSPECTIVE Tory councillor who was forced to leave the party after posing with a toy golliwog on Facebook is in the running to become the new West Midlands police commissioner.
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Bill Etheridge, 42, is the official candidate for the UK Independence Party (UKIP) and will go the polls along with seven other candidates vying for the newly-created £100,000 a year position.

Mr Etheridge said his policies will include a zero tolerance approach in high-crime areas and a pledge to put the rights of victims ahead of criminals....

The married dad-of-three from Sedgley, West Midlands, said he was looking forward to polling day when nearly three million West Midland voters will decide who becomes the region’s first Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC).

The PCC will replace the current Police Authority Board system and have the same powers to hire and fire a chief constable.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/wp-con...-etheridge.jpg
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Old 31-05-2014, 11:47 AM   #59
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Gollywog, the word is Gollywog.

Anyone holding up a gollywog, it is pretty clear what they are saying.

From the party whose leader brought you 'the nig nogs will never vote for us'. Mine's a pint Nigel!
What is wrong with golliwogs? They are a celebration of black people in a doll, Why is that bad? People made them and loved them, if they were against black people they wouldn't bother, or they would make them look ugly and horrid.
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What is wrong with golliwogs? They are a celebration of black people in a doll, Why is that bad? People made them and loved them, if they were against black people they wouldn't bother, or they would make them look ugly and horrid.
You are joking, right ?

People who say that there is nothing wrong with these dolls are either kidding themselves or are just choosing to ignore the undeniable racist connotations that are associated with them. And I don't even see it as being a 'pc' matter.
They are just an outdated doll that belongs in the past due to the fact of what they have come to represent. I'm not saying they should all be piled up & burnt in a mass fire as I know some people love them & see them just as a collectable doll, However, the negative aspects far outweigh the positive ones,imo. If that makes any sense ?
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