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Old 01-06-2009, 10:53 PM   #1
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I had to start this thread to see how many people actually hate Islam and why?

I have noticed recently or even years ago, the mention of the word Islam or Muslims causes controversy, the question is why so much negative views towards Islam

Majority of people speaking about Islam or who give negative views are usually have had some kind of personal experience with someone who's from an Muslim faith or simply from what they learnt from the media, websites and so on.

What is astonishingly hypocritical, is the way people jump at the first occasion whenever Islam or Muslims are involved directly or indirectly, before acquiring any proof, they start showing their hate and despise purely based on what they heard or been told.

Most people were programmed to have a quick negative reaction as soon as Islam is mentioned.
Before even trying to find out if it's true or not, for any other people, creed, religions, they ask for proof, they seek to find out if the allegations are true or false.

When a crime is committed in the west, the person is accused as an individual if an alleged crime is committed by an alleged Muslim

People usually don't even bother to try and find out how it happened, whether the individual is really a Muslim, if the case why he/she did it?

I was born in this country to a Christian family (now all Muslims) I had pretty much the same views about Islam not to that extent, I've always tried to be rational, impartial, unless I have an irrefutable (evidence) proof that the crime was indeed committed by a Muslim only then I can judge the person, not the entire Islamic civilisation.

People seem to forget a Muslim is human being like any other human being, with his weaknesses, with his natural instincts, with his human characteristics.
Why I get the feeling that a Muslim has no rights to a mistake?
It's ok when it's someone other than a Muslim.

I watch there's an endemic view of Islam across the board, very few people come up with rational approaches to any situation that involves Islam or a Muslim.

I want to know

What is it that people are afraid of?
Aren't we afraid of the unknown?
When we ignore something we try and find out what it is, get to know it before we make any judgements.

History as we know it, half of it is a lie, most people don't realise it
If only people care to look and find out what Islam's contribution to the modern world as we know today, in absolutely every aspect of our lives.

Sometimes I laugh when people talk about democracy, human rights, freedom of speech.

What they seem to forget, there are no Muslim countries, they are called Muslim countries, with a very corrupt leaders across the Islamic/Arab world.

Do you actually think it was pure coincidence that all of these leaders in the Muslim world happened to be corrupt and dictators by pure chance?

The reason for that is because, most people in the west, don't know the truth, the average person only recently heard about Islam etc.. the majority heard of the Islamic world post 9/11.

They knew there were Muslim countries, and they are backward people, they beat their wives, mutilate their children, stone their criminals, cut hands and so on.

What they don't know is this, the same people who stone let's say a homosexual for instance, they come to Britain or the USA, they spend millions of dollars in one night.

They gamble, they drink, they have homosexual orgies, they hire prostitutes males and females, they spen a huge amount of money here in the west.

Back home they are the judges, the jury and the executioner, who put them in power in the first place and more importantly why?

Why do people ignore this fact, does it suit you in a way?
Every single Muslim/Arab country has a corrupt government, deliberately put there by the western rulers (Jesuits) if you like.

Their aim is to stop Islam anyway they can, if people can think for a second, if they think the Jesuits are behind everything, what makes them think that Islam is part of it?

Why are they fighting it tooth and nail from every angle? Or is it just pure coincidence again?

The media has done nothing in the last 40 years but tarnish Islam, Hollywood is another source, magazines, news papers, radios, schools, websites, constantly attacking Islam.

Novelists, writers, so called "historians" while we know that history of nations, civilisations has been greatly altered, hiding all the facts from their own people.

Naming all the western scientists, never a mention of Muslim scientists until some Muslims started to shed lights on every invention as we know it today.

From medicine to physics to poetry, to maths, astronomy, astrology, geology etc.. etc..

Most surgery tools we use today have been copied from the early Islamic hospitals, the first hospital was invented (created) by the Muslim doctors, endless medical books and entire encyclopaedias were translated from Arabic to Latin and then to many different western languages.

You don't have to take my word for it, I know you wouldn't, but go and find out for yourselves.

Why do you think the Vatican was placed where it is now? the idea was to stop Islam from spreading northward, no other reason, but that didn't stop them to send their scientists to learn from the Muslims


I know that most of you are going to hate this, but they are facts.

Financial system, social services, were created during the Islamic civilisation, to help the needy, regardless of their religion or origin.

Look it up I don't mean on the internet, I am not sure you will find this information on the net, you might find some of it, but I doubt you will find all of it, because it's been deliberately hidden from us.

So people should take a step back and think, it's easy to just carry that hatred in your stomach and go head first without checking anything.

Check, double check, triple check, they have been hiding all sorts of truths from us for generations, centuries.

But the truth and facts are still out there, they are not as available as the lies they pumped into our heads, day and night.

Anyway it's your call, if you want to remain ignorant, so stay ignorant but don't complain later you didn't know, it's no excuse.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:25 AM   #2
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Treating fellow humans (woman) as nothing more than a cow pat does not sit well with me.

...or with alot of people.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:38 AM   #3
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Treating fellow humans (woman) as nothing more than a cow pat does not sit well with me.

...or with alot of people.
Yes like 1.5 billion people all love to be treated this way, right?

nearly two billion of them, they all love to be treated the way you just described it, after years of research and gathered all the evidence, right?

I am very impressed with your comment, that only shows you haven't read more than a paragraph, it confirms exactly what I mentioned above

I was hoping for more rational and intelligent response, but I was kind of expecting it.

You used two tactful things, you put "woman" in brackets, and use at the end with a lot of people, calling for support?

couldn't you cope by yourself? lol

God I can read through you people, the only motivation the only truth is pure hatred, and you don't know how to hide it, and this is exactly what you're accusing Islam of doing, whilst you're the ones, intolerant, hateful, ignorant, you fear Islam because you don't understand it and mostly, you associate it with "third world" as I said above, ME follow an Arab, ME do what an ARAB, who lives in a desert with camels, ME follow a backward savages, that the media showed me?

That is the reality, you can deny it as much as you like, I don't care I know what I know.


Pure hatred no other reason.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:46 AM   #4
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A man being allowed to have 4 wives, but not vice versa, is repulsive. And women having to cover their hair or entire face. And chopping thieves hands off, no matter how petty their crime. Not to mention every Muslim's duty to wage holy war against unbelievers.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:55 AM   #5
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People hate Islam for the same reason they hate Christianity.

The scriptures express dogmas and outdated social laws that rub us the wrong way in modern society.

This is enough to cause most people to throw a fit... so be it.

They will never understand the significance of spiritual lessons that are taught alongside those scriptures.

If they did have the capacity to understand the spiritual significance of lessons within these scriptures they would realize that the issues they have with the social laws etc. are irrelevant.

Social law, dogma, organized religion - these are all irrelevant to the big picture and that is exactly why these things are focused on. The big picture is not for everyone.
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Old 02-06-2009, 12:59 AM   #6
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I can read through you people
If you think your religion is such good stuff then why are women treated like shit?

You don't even give me a proper rebuttal to my previous post, you just started blabbing on about how I'm supposedly towing the party line like is 'in' to hate on your religion.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but i hate ALL religions equally.

...well at least the ones which i know about.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:02 AM   #7
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A man being allowed to have 4 wives, but not vice versa, is repulsive. And women having to cover their hair or entire face. And chopping thieves hands off, no matter how petty their crime. Not to mention every Muslim's duty to wage holy war against unbelievers.
WOw, you got it all figured out, so that's Islam oh I must have been asleep then I didn't know that, thanks for this information

Yes every morning I wake up thinking who I am going to attack next, all these unbelievers around me

And I am sure all muslims, think about that, they don't have a life to live, a family to raise, all they think of is how to spill blood of others.

It's sad, so this is Islam for you, right?
Thanks BBC, CNN, Fox News, lol
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A man being allowed to have 4 wives, but not vice versa, is repulsive. And women having to cover their hair or entire face. And chopping thieves hands off, no matter how petty their crime. Not to mention every Muslim's duty to wage holy war against unbelievers.
None of that had anything to do with Mohammed's spiritual experience or revelation about their being one God.

Just like nothing that people find so repulsive in Christianity has anything to do with the teachings of Christ.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:13 AM   #9
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I find it amusing that the West doesn't hold for example Africans to the same standard of conduct as South Asians.


Maybe it's cos there's less oil in Africa.

But carry on hating Muslims, it's just what they want.
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If you think your religion is such good stuff then why are women treated like shit?

You don't even give me a proper rebuttal to my previous post, you just started blabbing on about how I'm supposedly towing the party line like is 'in' to hate on your religion.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but i hate ALL religions equally.

...well at least the ones which i know about.
The reason I don't answer these questions, is because they are the same questions on and and on, I know it's not something people know, but something they were told and made to believe.

Where did you see women treated like S***?
which country for example give me an example?
When I said you haven't read what I typed above, it's because I know you haven't bothered to read it.

Now, give me where did you see, that and when?
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so it seems the reasons people hate 'islam' is because of the way the media has portrayed it.. grrreat.

I'm not a Muslim, but without a doubt it is the most peaceful of the 3 major monotheistic religions. (they're all barbaric anyway) For example, I believe 'Jihad' is only permitted in self-defense, no? From what I remember, it doesn't promote imperialising like Judaism & Christianity. You'll never see a mosque asking for your money while the preacher drives off in a BMW..

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Treating fellow humans (woman) as nothing more than a cow pat does not sit well with me..or with alot of people.
this is a myth.. I've seen many sources proving that Iran, for example, possibly benefits women more than the US.

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A man being allowed to have 4 wives, but not vice versa, is repulsive
This is only if approved by the wife, and a prerequisite is equal treatment to all of them. Is that so bad?

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And women having to cover their hair or entire face.
why is their style of dress a big deal? If that's the way they want to be, then whats wrong with it? Nobody is forced to be a Muslim.

I must say though that the recent anti-nwo movement within the Muslim word (via 'Arrivials') has completely lost its credibility already. The forum there is full of blatant racism and overall naiveness. If they feel they're representing Islam, I'm glad not to be a part of it. The vast majority there seem to think that everyone who isn't Muslim is a shill.. seriously.

Alex Jones.. He's only criticized Israel 10,000 times. He doesn't meet the quota.. SHILL..

Did I mention his wife is Jewish!?

Jason Bermes.. He hesitates to use the word 'Jew' and instead says 'Zionist'.. automatic SHILL..

David Icke.. He speaks of love being the greatest thing in the world and the only thing that ultimately matters therefore he's been influenced by Satan.. SHILL..

..and apparantly the Illuminati want people to believe in Reptilians.

It's sad because the staff there seems down to earth and not like this at all...

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..and apparantly the Illuminati want people to believe in Reptilians.

It's sad because the staff there seems down to earth and not like this at all...
I don't care how many people want to believe in reptilians lol, I have enough on my plate to add the reptilian agenda.

The only time I describe these NWO, and the Illuminati as reptilians it's a figure of speech, when you call someone a snake, his eyes, untrustworthy and so on.

No we are human beings some are greedy, some were taken by the superiority complex, some believe to be superior to other etc..

I know Alex Jones' wife is Jewish
With Jason, I think he has some sponsors who are Jews, so he is very careful and of course Alex is his mate, so he is careful to offend his mate's wife.

But I am getting tired of all this lot, I came here to this forum, thinking the way to fight the big enemy of humanity, restore order in the world.

I realised that I am wasting my time, because people are too happy to exteriorise their anger and frustration towards an easy target, which is already there, ready to be picked up.

It was cooked for them by the Illuminati, they fail to see the division.
Now we have a group of trolls adding the BNP to the programme, instead of fighting against the real enemy we end up fighting each other

But hey!! people are wide awake they know exactly what they're doing, it's just an impression they give of being asleep.

The order is Divide to reign
It's ok I am aware, but please let me just hate the Muslims a little bit, I can't help it, I know I have been brainwashed but I love hating the Muslim
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:58 AM   #13
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Read Bellow

Despite the fact I said I won't be answering these questions again, but I'll try and give you an insight of what Islam really is.

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A man being allowed to have 4 wives, but not vice versa,
In Islam for a man to have four wives is as a last resort, for example

If the wife is sick (and she agrees)
If the wife can satisfy him sexually (if she agrees)
He needs to come up with a real reason why he needs another wife
If the wife has lost her libido no longer want any sexual intercourse
He has to provide equally for both women financially and emotionally
He should treat them equally no favouritism, and respect their wills

The above are only few of the huge list of conditions
It's not jus like that go and have 4 wives, this how the western media wanted to portray it.

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is repulsive.
Not as repulsive as western mentality, I love darling as soon as he is out of the house, bang another chick with short dress walks by he forgets his vows and the woman he left at home, is this better>?

Yes?
Better to be a hypocrite, cheating, adultery?
and he's found out, not only the he breaks her heart but breaks their marriage, and usually kids are involved and it's big mess, do you like this way perhaps?

Look at Muslim families rare to see divorces, because both parties have a code to stick by, on top of affection and love.

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And women having to cover their hair or entire face.
So far every woman I met wanted to wear it and that includes my own wife, she was born here, English, reverted (converted) to Islam just like I did, and she's happily wearing it, I have never said anything to her about it, either it's her choice.

Perhaps you prefer all of these women walking almost naked, that's their choice, but you talk about imposing, who's imposing Islam or you?
You want to see all women act, do things the same way you do them, you can't accept people to be different, who's the intolerant?


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And chopping thieves hands off, no matter how petty their crime.
Listen I said it and I am saying it again, you don't know what you're talking about, but that's ok. (I don't expect you)

The hand chopping

In 700 years there were two cases of hand chopping, because people stole when they shouldn't, I'll explain

You have no reason to steal, because there is a system in place to look after the poor, the needy, the weak and so on, people lived all their lives they didn't do a days work, they lived like kings

The ones who stole, they were caught when asked why did they steal, they couldn't give a good reason, they had everything they needed provided for them by the state, they had no reason whatsoever to steal, none!!

They were pardonned 3 times, the third time they chopped their right hand
People lived in harmony, in peace, no need for crime, if they didn't do that, more and more people will steal before you know it's out of control.

As we are having today, you like the way things are today? you probably do
Rapes, murders, adulteries, kidnapping, violence day and night, stabbing, hypocrisy, lots of sex, lots of drugs, lots of crime in general, wars, accidents, and the list goes on, not to mention the bigger crime of all corruption of the whole system.

In those days they had the best taxation system in the world, even Napoleon wanted to adapt it to the french state, and he was poisoned 3 months later, he died in 1821, the official story, he died from cancer, but that's not the truth, he was poisoned.


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Not to mention every Muslim's duty to wage holy war against unbelievers.
They only wage war if they are attacked, you cannot wage war if it's not in self defense, this the biggest lie of all of them.

I know you never read the Quoran, or maybe you read a translated version which most likely been changed to mislead people.

If you read the Quoran really, you wouldn't be saying these things.

Muslims don't wage wars for no reason, unless their backs are against the wall, it is called self defense, to protect their land, the innocents, children and women.
Islam and Muslims are being framed by the Zionist and the Jesuits, it's been the case for many generations, except this time, they really want to take over the land of the Muslims, destroy Islam from within.

Put a Muslim against another, just like Britain did to the Ottoman Empire:

Read bellow please


Ottoman government deliberately pursued a policy for the development of Bursa, Edirne (Adrianople) and Constantinople, successive Ottoman capitals, into major commercial and industrial centres, considering that merchants and artisans were indispensable in creating a new metropolis.[34] To this end, Mehmed and his successor Bayezid, also encouraged and welcomed migration of the Jews from different parts of Europe, who were settled in Constantinople and other port cities like Salonica. In many places in Europe, Jews were suffering persecution at the hands of their Christian counterparts. The tolerance displayed by the Ottomans was welcomed by the immigrants


You also need to check out The treaty of Balta Liman

Muslims are hateful, Muslim hate Jews, Muslims are savages
Read and do a proper research before attacking blindly, it's nice to accuse anyone of something that he is not guilty of.

The Ottoman Empire was, in principle, tolerant towards Christians and Jews (the "Ahl Al-Kitab", or "People of the Book", according to the Qu'ran) but not towards the polytheists, in accordance with the Sharia law. Such tolerance was subject to a non-Muslim tax, the Jizya.

It's so easy to twist facts and frame people, especially when the big audience doesn't read, doesn't research the truth could be burried 6 foot under, unless you dig it out


non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is/was to be levied on able bodied adult males of military age and affording power,[2] (but with specific exemptions,[3][4] though these were discarded at various points in history[5]). From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims' acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws

just as for the inhabitants it was a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes."[6] In return, non-Muslim citizens were permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to Muslim state's protection from outside aggression, to be exempted from military service and the Zakah as obligatory upon Muslim citizens.

Zakat only those who could pay it once a year, and it's a tenth 1/10 of their revenues after the second year of their successful turnover.

Show me a tax system that is as fair as back then? show me on any country

And this is just scraping the surface, we haven't gone deeper. it wasn't perfect of course, but a hell of lot better than it is today.

To finish off
For adultery to be judged, the person has to be seen by 4 witnesses, caught in the action, not assuming that the person was committing adultery, it has to be caught in the actions and seen by 4 witnesses at the same time, and the witnesses should not be related at all!

Not long ago, here in the UK people were hanged for nothing, I suppose that was a good system, right?
In America the land of the free, people are still sitting in the death row, gas chamber, electric chair, lethal injection.

Electric chair is humane?
You think a gas chamber is humane, right?
You think hanging is humane?
The French with Guillotine is humane?
And we are suppose to be in the 20th century evolved and well developed
I am not even talking about the miscarriage of justice
Do you know how many people George Bush executed as a Governor of Texas?
Have you seen a human being being executed? in gas chamber, by hanging, or electric chair? his internal organs fry up, his brains melt and come out of his nose, is this humane??
and above all most of them are victims of the rotten system, that we live under.
I suggest you look it up.

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The reason I don't answer these questions, is because they are the same questions on and and on
Yes, they are.
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Where did you see women treated like S***?

Now, give me where did you see, that and when?
None of these people have seen anything.

They saw a T.V. show or documentary and that's all they needed to throw a blanket over entire countries and religions... a big wet blanket of fear based on shallow stereotypes.

Women get treated terribly in ALOT of countries. Even AMERICA and the UK *gasp*. But hey... it's not about that. It's about digging up whatever sore topic we can to dismiss what was actually once considered a very peaceful and civilized philosophy.

What I find ironic, and I'm sure you would agree, adbasque - is that the earliest philosophers, scientists and mathematicians came from Islamic countries during the Persian era and these were the founding fathers of civilization as we know it.

But hey. Those were just dirty arab women-haters... Booo Islam!
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Yes, they are.


None of these people have seen anything.

They saw a T.V. show or documentary and that's all they needed to throw a blanket over entire countries and religions... a big wet blanket of fear based on shallow stereotypes.

Women get treated terribly in ALOT of countries. Even AMERICA and the UK *gasp*. But hey... it's not about that. It's about digging up whatever sore topic we can to dismiss what was actually once considered a very peaceful and civilized philosophy.

What I find ironic, and I'm sure you would agree, adbasque - is that the earliest philosophers, scientists and mathematicians came from Islamic countries during the Persian era and these were the founding fathers of civilization as we know it.

But hey. Those were just dirty arab women-haters... Booo Islam!
It's such a shame, but you know what?
I don't really blame them, it takes time for some people to realise certain realities of the "Big picture" as you mentioned earlier

Brainwashing is something you don't feel, it becomes you, it all depends on what level of awarness the person is my friend.

The only thing that really gets me, for years they are the same "arguments" it proves one thing, that they all get their information from the same source, TV Tell Lie Vision and news papers, magazine, and probably the completely altered history of the world.

Yes most scientists in those days were Persian, the bad Iranians today, the Evil doers

How Ironic, being one of the top scientists in the world turning into bad guys and evil doers.

Sigh!
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Think about where you developed your attitudes about Islamic countries. You will find your answer. I lived in a Middle Eastern country among the populace and I can tell you they are no different than us. Sure they have their factions that get all the media attention and villify the entire culture but honestly, I've never seen so many people from various cultures, and religious beliefs get along so well. We might learn a lesson from them. They have maintained their communities and look after each other, a lesson we could learn from. They laugh at their government and continue on in their lives and beliefs as they have for centuries. It might surprise you to know that the ones that work for the Western countries end up turning back to their fundamental and "extremist" beliefs.

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People hate Islam for the same reason they hate Christianity.

The scriptures express dogmas and outdated social laws that rub us the wrong way in modern society.

This is enough to cause most people to throw a fit... so be it.

They will never understand the significance of spiritual lessons that are taught alongside those scriptures.

If they did have the capacity to understand the spiritual significance of lessons within these scriptures they would realize that the issues they have with the social laws etc. are irrelevant.

Social law, dogma, organized religion - these are all irrelevant to the big picture and that is exactly why these things are focused on. The big picture is not for everyone.

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i have absolutely nothing against islam and i know that it's a rather peaceful religion by itself. it's sad that so much is being exploited in its name, but all organised religion to me is a trap.

the essence of any way of life are its spiritual (not religious) teachings. imbibe what you can from the teachings of the buddha, christ, krishna, mohammed and other figures and you will cease to be trapped in this illusory mind game. religion is a farce which divides people and spirituality is a path that unites.








so ask yourself- would you rather be religious, or spiritual?

even so, stop targeting those who have made a conscious decision to follow islam, christianity or judaism for whatever reason. it's their choice and theirs only.

just let go.
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I had to start this thread to see how many people actually hate Islam and why?
People fear what they don't understand. And they hate their fear, because it renders them helpless before the chaotic face of the unknown. And they thus hate the thing that they perceive as the source of their fear.

Others hate Islam because they see it as the enemy--whether standing in the way of imperialism or capitalism or being borne of the loins of the Devil.


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Do you actually think it was pure coincidence that all of these leaders in the Muslim world happened to be corrupt and dictators by pure chance?

The reason for that is because, most people in the west, don't know the truth, the average person only recently heard about Islam etc.. the majority heard of the Islamic world post 9/11.

They knew there were Muslim countries, and they are backward people, they beat their wives, mutilate their children, stone their criminals, cut hands and so on.

What they don't know is this, the same people who stone let's say a homosexual for instance, they come to Britain or the USA, they spend millions of dollars in one night.

They gamble, they drink, they have homosexual orgies, they hire prostitutes males and females, they spen a huge amount of money here in the west.

Back home they are the judges, the jury and the executioner, who put them in power in the first place and more importantly why?

Why do people ignore this fact, does it suit you in a way?
Every single Muslim/Arab country has a corrupt government, deliberately put there by the western rulers (Jesuits) if you like.
Jesuits did it...again!!



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A man being allowed to have 4 wives, but not vice versa, is repulsive.
Well, it does seem unfair, to be sure. But repulsion is in the bile of the beholder.

Islam can argue--and reasonably so--that men having multiple wives is far more natural than the other way around. The fruit of marriage for women is children. A woman can only have one brood at a time. But men can constantly impregnate women all through their lives.

But usually the argument in Islam hinges on the issue of inheritance and lineage. If women had multiple husbands, they cry, how could anyone know who the father is??? This sort of thing was very important in the old days. Nowadays we have tests to determine this, so it's a non-issue. ANd hence, this ruling, while perhaps sound in its day, is now archaic.


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And women having to cover their hair or entire face.
That's not a command of Islam proper. That is, the law only refers to covering the hair, which is common to Herbrew and early Christian traditions. The extreme covering we see today are the result of ultra-conservative interpretations.

And furthermore, no woman is forced to cover anything. Women actually freely choose to adopt these styles of dress and do so for their own (and God's) pleasure.


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And chopping thieves hands off, no matter how petty their crime.
Not a part of Islam proper.


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Not to mention every Muslim's duty to wage holy war against unbelievers.
Another gross misconception.

A Muslim is only commanded to go to war in self-defense. And only after all other avenues of reconciliation and discussion have been exhausted.

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In Islam for a man to have four wives is as a last resort, for example

If the wife is sick (and she agrees)
If the wife can satisfy him sexually (if she agrees)
He needs to come up with a real reason why he needs another wife
If the wife has lost her libido no longer want any sexual intercourse
He has to provide equally for both women financially and emotionally
He should treat them equally no favouritism, and respect their wills

The above are only few of the huge list of conditions
It's not jus like that go and have 4 wives, this how the western media wanted to portray it.
A man is under no obligation to inform his existing wives about the decision to marry another wife. It is not a matter for communal decision. A man can marry any four women and the only real stipulation is that he can take care of them justly and equally. Those reasons--lost libido etc--are rationalizations but not parts of any law.


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Look at Muslim families rare to see divorces, because both parties have a code to stick by, on top of affection and love.
hahah...and also it's near impossible for a woman to divorce a man, whereas a man only has to announce 'we are divorced' in the presence of a witness to finish the deal.


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Perhaps you prefer all of these women walking almost naked
Yep. That's how God made 'em!


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Nobody is forced to be a Muslim.
It's illegal to convert to another religion in most Muslim countries. If you're born a Muslim, you have to stay one.
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