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Old 21-12-2013, 07:22 PM   #1
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David icke talks alot about satanism but yet hes not a christian and he says its a fraud (i believe so aswell) but why do the nwo praise satan so much and have it in music videos such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY44zvhWhp4
and spread anti christian messages? Does david icke think that the nwo has another version of satanism that they worship while putting christianity as a false hope? does he believe in lucifer?
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Old 24-12-2013, 01:01 AM   #2
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christianity (as created by paul and morphed by the vatican) is satanic - Revelation calls it a beast, the trinity an abomination and the vatican the whore of babylon (because she fornicates with idols/paganism).

Christians reject the laws of torah and the true sabbath through twisting scripture.

David Icke's role is twofold (I hope I dont get banned for this) : he leads people away from the bible/truth, luring them in with truth about the illuminati and then lies against the bible, and that satan/demons are just reptilian aliens, and the people that see through this often reject it and see him as "antichrist" and run deeper into christianity, thinking that they have avoided the "satanism" or "new age" that Icke teaches.

The truth is that Yeshua (Jesus) was the Jewish messiah and he taught judaism, Messianic Judaism is the truth, following the truth the way and the life (used to describe both torah and the messiah, as is the word "word").

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Old 24-12-2013, 02:18 AM   #3
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David icke talks alot about satanism but yet hes not a christian and he says its a fraud (i believe so aswell) but why do the nwo praise satan so much and have it in music videos such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY44zvhWhp4
and spread anti christian messages? Does david icke think that the nwo has another version of satanism that they worship while putting christianity as a false hope? does he believe in lucifer?
You don't have to be a Christian to believe that others worship Satan.

Don't confuse the map with the territory. Some people believe Satan and Lucifer are one and the same, others think they are separate entities. Many people believe in neither.

The 'nwo' or whatever label you want to call them, specialise in lies and division. They like it when people have opposing or different views. A house divided is easier to control than a united one.

I'm sure David does not believe or take seriously any of these beliefs, but what is important is that people in positions of power and influence actually do.

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Old 24-12-2013, 04:09 AM   #4
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David icke talks alot about satanism but yet hes not a christian and he says its a fraud (i believe so aswell) but why do the nwo praise satan so much and have it in music videos such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY44zvhWhp4
and spread anti christian messages? Does david icke think that the nwo has another version of satanism that they worship while putting christianity as a false hope? does he believe in lucifer?
The word "Satan" might be a Judeo-Christian label, but it's a pretty universal concept. Anyone who believes there are good & evil forces existing in the universe basically believes in Satan; they may just call it something else.

I'm pretty sure Icke believes in "Lucifer" too, although not in the same literal sense that fundamentalist Christians do.

He talks a lot about "Luciferian Consciousness" in at least one of his books, saying that it's the apex of the pyramid of control, which is basically synonymous with what he has also referred to as "Prison Warder Consciousness" & later the Reptilians.

When it comes down to it, Satanism &/or Luciferianism is basically ego worship & materialism.

Of course, he also mentions that the ptb partake in sacrificial rites & other rituals that are typically associated with "Satanism" in the literal sense. He doesn't have to believe in Satan literally to talk about people who do, right?
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Old 24-12-2013, 05:28 AM   #5
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The word "Satan" might be a Judeo-Christian label, but it's a pretty universal concept. Anyone who believes there are good & evil forces existing in the universe basically believes in Satan; they may just call it something else.
Sure, that's the usual belief, but it's not a useful one because it has no relation to the original meaning of "satan". Satan originally meant adversary, and the meaning did not imply that that adversat was intrinsically evil.

For example, in the Torah, YHWH is called satan when he provoked David to number Israel.

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He talks a lot about "Luciferian Consciousness" in at least one of his books, saying that it's the apex of the pyramid of control, which is basically synonymous with what he has also referred to as "Prison Warder Consciousness" & later the Reptilians.
Lucifer, as the light bearer and king of Babylon does described in Isaiah could be at the apex of the secular pyramid which Icke describes.
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Old 24-12-2013, 06:57 PM   #6
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Sure, that's the usual belief, but it's not a useful one because it has no relation to the original meaning of "satan". Satan originally meant adversary, and the meaning did not imply that that adversat was intrinsically evil.

For example, in the Torah, YHWH is called satan when he provoked David to number Israel.
True, it differs from the traditional Jewish belief, but then came the dualistic beliefs of Zoroastrianism & proto-Christianity (the Essenes, et al) which influenced Gnosticism & shaped Christianity itself..

How is this approach unuseful? Words evolve & take on different meanings all the time. This is the definition most of the world understands now, & the material world does seem to be dual natured, so it fits..

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Lucifer, as the light bearer and king of Babylon does described in Isaiah could be at the apex of the secular pyramid which Icke describes.
I agree..
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Call the bad lad whatever name you choose.
He's out and about and means none of us any good at all.
In our path he's referred to as 'Owd Nick'
Hence the saying...

"Talk of Owd Nick.
He'll come or he'll rick." (Cause a disturbance)
Hence he's never ever named apart from by his nickname ' Owd Nick'
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How is this approach unuseful? Words evolve & take on different meanings all the time. This is the definition most of the world understands now, & the material world does seem to be dual natured, so it fits..
The evolution of language originated with Babylon. To find the concrete relationship between language and reality you've got to look beyond that..
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The evolution of language originated with Babylon.
what?????????????
if you really believe this, how did adam and eve communicate?
dude, this is mythology.
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Old 24-12-2013, 08:42 PM   #10
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Yeh I would have to be of the agreement that if there is good and evil then just like in this world you will have a "top dog" for both sides of the spectrum.

You'll have the most powerful being for the good guys and the same for the bad guys. Whoever is the most powerful meanest ruler of the bad guys can be called Satan or whatever you want but you can be guaranteed a evil entity likely exists and he rules over all the rest of the nasties.
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Old 24-12-2013, 08:44 PM   #11
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Call him bloody Sauron if you want or Voldermort.
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Old 24-12-2013, 08:48 PM   #13
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yup .. as valid.
they are all literary characters, after all.
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Yeh I would have to be of the agreement that if there is good and evil then just like in this world you will have a "top dog" for both sides of the spectrum.

You'll have the most powerful being for the good guys and the same for the bad guys. Whoever is the most powerful meanest ruler of the bad guys can be called Satan or whatever you want but you can be guaranteed a evil entity likely exists and he rules over all the rest of the nasties.
there is no concept of 'good and evil' in nature.
as humans we have evolved 'ethics'.
and as humans we have a propensity for greed and lust, as much as kindness and love.

i firmly that 'evil' is a purely human thing, that evil exists only in the hearts of man.
love is universal.
evil is human.
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there is no concept of 'good and evil' in nature.
as humans we have evolved 'ethics'.
and as humans we have a propensity for greed and lust, as much as kindness and love.

i firmly that 'evil' is a purely human thing, that evil exists only in the hearts of man.
love is universal.
evil is human.
Are you unaware of the beings that exist just beyond the veil over our reality? there are entities/beings that are just as susceptible to duality as humans are. Humans who have died may not even enter the light but instead hover near to the Earth realm and they were probably pretty damn nasty when they were alive.
The "realms" beyond the Earth are just as duality based as our realm and species. Beings that exist there could be evil and enjoy evil and torture you as quick as look at you.
Maybe for someone enlightened or on a path back to source they can understand the basics that good and evil are man made things (a byproduct of intelligence) but what's that? probably a handful of humans/entities in the whole of creation, all the rest are still stuck in the matrix of duality and that probably includes the big bad guy who people call Satan or Voldermort or whatever else you wanna call him her or it
The concept of good and evil goes beyond us mere little humans on this rock in this density.

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i firmly that 'evil' is a purely human thing, that evil exists only in the hearts of man.
love is universal.
evil is human.
Foxes and other animals are known to kill prey for fun rather than a food source, some monkeys are known to form gangs and hunt other monkeys and tear them to shreds for fun. Is this not an evil act?
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oh yeh and just for the record, good and evil does exist, good and evil are a byproduct of higher intelligence.
Killing to survive isn't evil (instinct), but killing for sport is (intelligent decision)

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Foxes and other animals are known to kill prey for fun rather than a food source, some monkeys are known to form gangs and hunt other monkeys and tear them to shreds for fun. Is this not an evil act?

Nope.
Biker's right 'evil' is a human concept.
We shouldn't judge wild animals by our standards.
Animals are being themselves.
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Nope.
Biker's right 'evil' is a human concept.
I'd say that evil does exist but it is only something that becomes seen and understood when a certain level of intelligence/awareness is reached.

A being that is incapable of being good or evil and is unable to understand it (animals below humans) does not negate it's existence.

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Nope.
Biker's right 'evil' is a human concept.
We shouldn't judge wild animals by our standards.
Animals are being themselves.
The definition of "evil" is a human concept but it exists everywhere in nature.

A cat killing a mouse or a bird for pleasure is still an "evil" act even though the cat as no concept of the word evil or what it means.
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