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Old 22-12-2011, 01:28 PM   #41
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Once Christianity lost it's power to control the masses (relative to it's historical hold on them) the elite began the move towards the promotion of other more militant religions.
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True Christianity will survive the headlong rush towards moral decline because in it's purest sense it is a natural mindset to most good people.
Thank you for that!
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Old 22-12-2011, 01:30 PM   #42
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John lennon said the same thing 50 years ago


its been around 2000 years


that aint gonna change
It has not remain unchanged in that period though and has been through several evolutions, so in effect the original christianity has not been around for 2000 years, just various versions claiming to be true.
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Old 22-12-2011, 01:31 PM   #43
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Nobody 'invented' Jesus, he was solid flesh and blood and his street cred is impeccable..
For a start his arrival was foretold centuries before just as he said, - "All things about me in the law of Moses,the Prophets and the Psalms,must be fulfilled" (Luke 24:44)

And when he arrived he didn't skulk in some underground hideout, he travelled all over Israel for 3 long years in front of the people and the occupying Roman garrison, that's a lot of eyewitnesses - “I've spoken openly to the world..I said nothing in secret" (John 18:20)
And "Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)
And he pulled audiences of over 4000 and 5000 at two gigs alone (Matt 15:32, Matt 14:13)

Heck even the Koran written some 600 years later dare not deny Jesus was something special:- "Allah.. exalted some messengers above others and gave miracles to Jesus the son of Mary and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253)

In short, Jesus was almost as big as Elvis!
Right Elv?

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Your pictures are shit... Why do you do it?

Some sort of compensation? Tell us waymarker...

Why the pictures?

We need answers...
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Old 22-12-2011, 01:32 PM   #44
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Once Christianity lost it's power to control the masses (relative to it's historical hold on them) the elite began the move towards the promotion of other more militant religions.

True Christianity will survive the headlong rush towards moral decline because in it's purest sense it is a natural mindset to most good people.
Well Im sure the true pre-christian christianity will survive as its roots are in various ancient traditions not recognised by most christians.
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Old 22-12-2011, 01:34 PM   #45
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You will agree that he sees it as one of the key cornerstones
of the Elite's control of us.

it is the key points in virtually all of his books.

I agree with him totally on the conclusions he has reached.

These MAN-MADE RELIGIONS have manipulated and distorted the
true nature of God
for centuries to promote their 'Agenda'.

You may not agree with this conclusion - but you can't deny the
importance icke and other researchers put on this manipulation.
And what is that?
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Old 22-12-2011, 01:34 PM   #46
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Even if organised cristianity was to go, people personal belief wouldn't, even in places as bad as communist china and the ussr was they were never able to kill it, and now both have become more relaxed about it, christain arty flourishes again.
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Old 22-12-2011, 03:40 PM   #47
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You are MIXING UP God with RELIGION ?

What has God got to do with the sham that is Matrix Christianity??
I'm not at all, it's you who mixes it up. You assume posters on this forum who choose to identify the Creator by certain labels follow all the rules attached to the religion that also identifies the Creator by the signifier. You also elevate yourself to a position from which you are fit to judge others. A bunch of Catholic nuns doing good might be following RELIGION but are more pure of heart and SPIRIT than someone like you who would rather tear others down than build yourself up.
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Old 22-12-2011, 03:42 PM   #48
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Well Im sure the true pre-christian christianity will survive
Huh?

Do you mean pre-Constantinian Christianity?
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Old 22-12-2011, 04:20 PM   #49
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Huh?

Do you mean pre-Constantinian Christianity?
Nope, I mean that whence christianity draws its historical origin.
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Old 22-12-2011, 04:28 PM   #50
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Nope, I mean that whence christianity draws its historical origin.
It's historical origin is with the ministry of JC (if it is, in fact, historical).
You must then mean the mythical origins in pre-Christianity.
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Old 22-12-2011, 04:32 PM   #51
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You are MIXING UP God with RELIGION ?

What has God got to do with the sham that is Matrix Christianity??


Do you think that if all 'religions' died out tomorrow - God would no only
EXIST?

of course he/she./it would still exist.

These 'religions' have fooled you that they are God and an attack on them
is an attack on God.

Classic mind-control.

You can believe/ feel/experience God without the need of any
religion.

As for Icke and these man-made religions of yours - he see them
AS THE CORNERSTONE, the foundation of the Elite's control
of the world.

WE would not be in the mess we are only for them and their sinister
mind-control games.

That's why the great irony: you guys lamenting the demise of the Elite's
created Christianity on Icke's forum?

A bit strange, don't you think?
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A good mind-exercise is to replace "GOD" in the scriptures (torah/bible/quran) with "Alien(s)".

The notion of alien life-forms programming humanity every now and then makes more sense than the religious book-fed tripe, IMO.

Of course, such a scenario raises questions about the details (ie how, why, where and so forth).


edit: Soundtrack: (drep de kristne is norwegian for kill the christians)

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Old 22-12-2011, 05:03 PM   #52
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A good mind-exercise is to replace "GOD" in the scriptures (torah/bible/quran) with "Alien(s)".

The notion of alien life-forms programming humanity every now and then makes more sense than the religious book-fed tripe, IMO.

Of course, such a scenario raises questions about the details (ie how, why, where and so forth).


edit: Soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BJxOPX9oL4 (drep de kristne is norwegian for kill the christians)
Quoted for video.

Edit: This stuff reminds me of Cradle of Filth.

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Old 22-12-2011, 06:25 PM   #53
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I'm not at all, it's you who mixes it up. You assume posters on this forum who choose to identify the Creator by certain labels follow all the rules attached to the religion that also identifies the Creator by the signifier. You also elevate yourself to a position from which you are fit to judge others. A bunch of Catholic nuns doing good might be following RELIGION but are more pure of heart and SPIRIT than someone like you who would rather tear others down than build yourself up.
So you're telling me RELIGION IS God.

What nonsense.

God /Isness always has been.

Your religion was only invented 2,ooo years ago.

So God only came into being then, did he?

GOD existed ..........'.billions' of years before your little matrix 'religion'
was created. And will exist in it's beingness 'billions' of years from now ....when your
man-made 'religion' will be totally forgotten.

You are here promoting a sick religion that threatens to destroy
by eternal hell and death anybody who does not accept it's beliefs.

That is the RULES and CLAIMS of your religion.

Read up on it.

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Old 22-12-2011, 06:32 PM   #54
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The day religion dies, is the day I celebrate and humanity experiences a level of freedom it has never known.
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Old 22-12-2011, 06:36 PM   #55
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The day religion dies, is the day I celebrate and humanity experiences a level of freedom it has never known.
Freedom is not an absolute "good"; the psychopath has more freedom than normal people because they are free of the limits of conscience.

"Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around tall idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim eras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."
HP Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu

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Old 22-12-2011, 06:41 PM   #56
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Freedom is not an absolute "good"; the psychopath has more freedom than normal people because they are free of the limits of conscience.

"Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around tall idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim eras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."
HP Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Lol, what?
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Old 22-12-2011, 06:43 PM   #57
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Freedom is not an absolute "good"; the psychopath has more freedom than normal people because they are free of the limits of conscience.

"Then, whispered Castro, those first men formed the cult around tall idols which the Great Ones shewed them; idols brought in dim eras from dark stars. That cult would never die till the stars came right again, and the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from His tomb to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."
HP Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
So you would rather keep your species in a state of blind obedience and ignorance? Keep defending something that has done nothing beneficial for humanity. That's what people with Stockholm syndrome do. I on the other hand see religion it for what it is; A symbol of hate, genocide, pedophilia, ignorance, and inequality. It's hindered the progression of our species, and there's no way around that.
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Freedom is not an absolute "good"; the psychopath has more freedom than normal people because they are free of the limits of conscience.
Freedom would still come with responsibility's, to make sure we never end up being enslaved by control freak dinosaurs again
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So you would rather keep your species in a state of blind obedience and ignorance?
Nope, I'd rather people realise that freedom is not an absolute good but that limits are normal and healthy things (except to the insane who want ever more freedom and power).
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The mind-bending irony of all these people posting on the DAVE iCKE FORUM
lamenting the demise of the Elite's created Christianity?

And who is one of the most forceful exposers in the UK today
of the sham of Christianity?

A certain dave Icke?

No-one see the irony!
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