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Old 23-10-2014, 08:55 AM   #1101
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Hahahahahaha the islamic troll is quick to troll.
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Old 23-10-2014, 08:58 AM   #1102
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Hahahahahaha the islamic troll is quick to troll.
wait....are you calling me a muslim troll?
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Old 23-10-2014, 09:12 AM   #1103
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wait....are you calling me a muslim troll?

Feign the 'shock' all you like, I've seen your post in threads and your a religious nut through and through.

Answer this question.

Would you rather see a Christian world view or a Islamic world view in the political world?
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Old 23-10-2014, 09:15 AM   #1104
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Would you rather see a Christian world view or a Islamic world view in the political world?
Neither

I want to see a completely secular world where religion remains personal and private until the messiah (mahdi) returns. my beliefs are that as muslims we must remain silent until then. If we are wrong, then no harm done to anyone, if we are right, then we submit to rule of the mahdi.
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Old 23-10-2014, 09:23 AM   #1105
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I want to see a completely secular world where religion remains personal and private until the messiah (mahdi) returns.
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if we are right, then we submit to rule of the mahdi.
Then that just blows your theory on secular.

YOur only power lay's with someone, a person to tell you what to think along the guidelines set down in a book.

You give your power/spirit away at the drop of a hat.
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Old 23-10-2014, 09:27 AM   #1106
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Then that just blows your theory on secular.

YOur only power lay's with someone, a person to tell you what to think along the guidelines set down in a book.

You give your power/spirit away at the drop of a hat.
I do not believe in islamic theocracy in the absense of a divinely appointed leader, as it is blatently not a part of sharia.

I 100% believe that there should be a separation of church and state at government level

I only "give my power" to the person who i believe will be the messiah at the worlds end. since Im fairly certain i will be long dead by the time he arrives, its not really something that affects me is it?
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:21 PM   #1107
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I do not believe in islamic theocracy in the absense of a divinely appointed leader, as it is blatently not a part of sharia.
How would that change if there were another Caliph?
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:23 PM   #1108
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How would that change if there were another Caliph?
*divinely appointed

the mahdi and Isa (Peace be upon him) will not be "elected" will they?
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:26 PM   #1109
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*divinely appointed

the mahdi and Isa (Peace be upon him) will not be "elected" will they?
Okay, so if someone is recognized by the Ulama as being the new Caliph (not ISIS) you would not recognize that?
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:33 PM   #1110
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Okay, so if someone is recognized by the Ulama as being the new Caliph (not ISIS) you would not recognize that?
nope.
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:34 PM   #1111
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nope.
Thanks.
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:35 PM   #1112
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Thanks.
want to start a separate thread?
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Old 23-10-2014, 12:39 PM   #1113
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want to start a separate thread?
I hadn't really thought about it. I was genuinely interested in your views.

I'm heading for work in a few minutes but I'll give it some thought.
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Old 23-10-2014, 05:37 PM   #1114
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nope.
Good on you.
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Old 24-10-2014, 08:45 AM   #1115
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I do not believe in islamic theocracy in the absense of a divinely appointed leader, as it is blatently not a part of sharia.

I 100% believe that there should be a separation of church and state at government level

I only "give my power" to the person who i believe will be the messiah at the worlds end. since Im fairly certain i will be long dead by the time he arrives, its not really something that affects me is it?
Your lying to yourself, for the simple reason that if a Messiah comes you will throw out the theory of secularism for a divine rule under a mahdi.

The concept of the 'worlds end' is just that a concept and if we look back on history, Jesus was a messiah who was the embodiment of the christian prophet returned to earth, the world didn't end back then and it never will.

The world ends philosophy, "bow to my will you bastards", is pure and simple mind control.

Keep on giving your spirituality, your soul to other's, it's your divine right, but unfortunately that will will impose its self on the rest of humanity. Just as the Christian concept has. All the laws in the western world are based on christian concepts, but you would like to see a Islamic concept of Sharia, a Caliphate in the western world.

I dont need a person of the book to tell me what is morally wrong, I dont need a Messiah to tell me how to live a balanced life, knowing right from wrong, I can do that on my own with the thought's from my ancestor's, the wise ones who dont subscribe to words form a book.
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Old 24-10-2014, 08:58 AM   #1116
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Your lying to yourself, for the simple reason that if a Messiah comes you will throw out the theory of secularism for a divine rule under a mahdi.
there is no lie, that's exactly my whole point, its not really some massive revelation you have just uncovered. I believe that there is no theocracy in Islamic sharia in the absence of a divinely appointed leader, so until the messiah returns, the only real solution is a secular representative democracy or something similar to that depending on the country/ population.


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The concept of the 'worlds end' is just that a concept and if we look back on history, Jesus was a messiah who was the embodiment of the christian prophet returned to earth, the world didn't end back then and it never will.


by your words I am assuming that you are not a muslim? because belief in the worlds end is absolutely not "just a concept" but rather a core foundation of our faith and mentioned throughout the quran.

if you are not a muslim, I suggest you do not try arguing until you at least know about the topic you are getting so heated up about with strangers on the internet

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The world ends philosophy, "bow to my will you bastards", is pure and simple mind control.
the world ends philosophy is actually "the world will not be around for long so do as much good as you can with the time that you have, because when the shit hits the fan you want to be on the right side"

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Keep on giving your spirituality, your soul to other's, it's your divine right, but unfortunately that will will impose its self on the rest of humanity. Just as the Christian concept has. All the laws in the western world are based on christian concepts, but you would like to see a Islamic concept of Sharia, a Caliphate in the western world.
actually that is not strictly true. there was a heavy muslim influence at the time of the creation of the legal system as we know it today, as it was formed around the same time as the islamic golden era

I think you are not aware of the differences between islamic understanding of end times and christian ones.

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I dont need a person of the book to tell me what is morally wrong, I dont need a Messiah to tell me how to live a balanced life, knowing right from wrong, I can do that on my own with the thought's from my ancestor's, the wise ones who dont subscribe to words form a book.
I think you are missing the point completely of everything i am saying
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Old 26-10-2014, 06:30 AM   #1117
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lol wut

so was aisha going against sharia when she led an army to battle?

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http://www.islamcan.com/youth/prohib...l#.VEyiiiKUeXY
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Old 28-10-2014, 09:55 AM   #1118
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soooooooo....leading an army of men to battle when you are a woman is forbidden then?
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