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Old 18-12-2015, 01:53 PM   #1
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The law lord in charge of the case put a 100 year gagging order on this case to prevent the truth coming out

But to use the old line of the authoritarians: ''if you've got nothing to hide then what's the problem?''

If you have no0thing to hide then why the gagging order?

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Old 18-12-2015, 04:15 PM   #2
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The law lord in charge of the case put a 100 year gagging order on this case to prevent the truth coming out

But to use the old line of the authoritarians: ''if you've got nothing to hide then what's the problem?''

If you have no0thing to hide then why the gagging order?

The gagging order was lifted in 2005 apart from:

"The Lord Advocate said the 100-year restriction would remain in place for files one to four, which contain details of the victims, including personal profiles, photographs, medical reports and post mortem reports. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4290938.stm

http://thescum.info/category/dunblane/

I don't deny there was a cover up and that the cover up still goes on but I don't know enough about the subject to make any useful comments.
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The cover up was the evidence not brought to the enquiry,the 100year stuff is not the most damming.
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It must be obvious now that no one died at Dunblane, just the same as at Sandy Hook, It was a complete hoax.
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Old 19-12-2015, 09:53 PM   #5
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It must be obvious now that no one died at Dunblane, just the same as at Sandy Hook, It was a complete hoax.
Trust me when i say your wrong on that one, he was a real person hamilton and real children died and it was awful.
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What's interesting about this case is that freemasson grand master lord burton spoke out and exposed the cover-up, said that he had been threatened , and told to shut-up.

The fact they cannot rely on a 'grand master', someone at the very top of masonry, to cover up their dirty secrets , shows how very small the clique of child molesters is, and how vulnerable they are.
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Old 20-12-2015, 03:24 PM   #7
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Does anyone have a theory on why British false flags appear to have real victims (I.e. Dunblane and 7/7) compared with other "hoax" false flags, like Sandy Hook, Paris etc.

I've seen it suggested that Dunblane was the blueprint for Sandy Hook, as there are a number of similarities between both events? There seems to be very little research/evidence into the authenticity of victims involved in both Dunblane and 7/7, suggesting those victims are genuine.
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Old 20-12-2015, 04:19 PM   #8
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What's interesting about this case is that freemasson grand master lord burton spoke out and exposed the cover-up, said that he had been threatened , and told to shut-up.

The fact they cannot rely on a 'grand master', someone at the very top of masonry, to cover up their dirty secrets , shows how very small the clique of child molesters is, and how vulnerable they are.
yeah he pointed to a super masonic group called the 'speculative society' who meet underneath an edinburgh university building and discuss issues of importance to the elite

robbie the pict flagged them up as being involved in procuring contracts for the skye bridge if i remember rightly. That story made the press
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Does anyone have a theory on why British false flags appear to have real victims (I.e. Dunblane and 7/7) compared with other "hoax" false flags, like Sandy Hook, Paris etc.

I've seen it suggested that Dunblane was the blueprint for Sandy Hook, as there are a number of similarities between both events? There seems to be very little research/evidence into the authenticity of victims involved in both Dunblane and 7/7, suggesting those victims are genuine.
First we have to ask , why would they fake something like Sandy Hook? Imagine the work and complexity involved in faking it ! you have to hire actors... children are supposedly killed , where do they go to if not killed? So much easier to send in some agents and do it for real ... I'm assuming they can find people evil enough to kill children. ...

It seems to me the main reason to fake it is to discredit the truth movement, slow the awakening...... S. H. was faked so badly that it was obvious to truthers ..... The average Joe is just about ready to accept the idea that the government could be behind these attacks, as a reason to take the guns, but when truthers say "it was faked.... actors, fake blood" , then people just can't believe that, think truthers are crazy, and so they switch off , go back to sleep.
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Old 21-12-2015, 08:15 AM   #10
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First we have to ask , why would they fake something like Sandy Hook? Imagine the work and complexity involved in faking it ! you have to hire actors... children are supposedly killed , where do they go to if not killed? So much easier to send in some agents and do it for real ... I'm assuming they can find people evil enough to kill children. ...

It seems to me the main reason to fake it is to discredit the truth movement, slow the awakening...... S. H. was faked so badly that it was obvious to truthers ..... The average Joe is just about ready to accept the idea that the government could be behind these attacks, as a reason to take the guns, but when truthers say "it was faked.... actors, fake blood" , then people just can't believe that, think truthers are crazy, and so they switch off , go back to sleep.
I've posted elsewhere that I believe it's more efficient to stage a hoax than to instigate/orchestrate a real event for a variety of reasons.........reasons to do with risk and control - of both event and narrative (despite the fact that there are of course a lot of "moving parts" involved with perpetrating a hoax). There is divided opinion re hoax false flag V real false flag V instigated real event V combinations of all. I have no doubt that the ptb are capable of real murder, however, as I said, that's not the basis on which I believe hoaxes are preferred. I am also, like you, suspicious of the transparency associated with some of these events. Just wondering why there appears to be such a difference between, for example, British V US events.
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Just wondering why there appears to be such a difference between, for example, British V US events.
The British hoaxes have a superior spend on counter-intelligence programmes, to keep the deceptions under wraps?

With the Official Myths perpetuated by an army of professional 'truth activists' like David Shayler, Ian Henshall, Rowland Morgan, and other covert agents of disinformation.

There's also a question of the number of eyes scrutinising these hoaxes. America can potentially call on 250m domestic scrutineers to tease open the truth. Whereas we have just 60 million here in Britain. And in the case of the 9/11 hoax, because of the international ramifications, the whole world lent a hand in unravelling that grandest of American hoaxes.

The era in which the hoax was staged is also relevant. The Dunblane Massacre was hoaxed in 1996. Before the public internet had become popular. Dissemination of counter-intelligence by 'Dunblane truthers' was therefore limited to word of mouth. The intelligence apparatus also generated plenty of 'conspiracy candy' to keep us chasing our tails over Dunblane.

The British intelligence-run media has also been at this game far longer -- since Tudor times -- than their American counterparts; who are mere rookies by comparison.
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Dunblane was no hoax I worked with a guy who's 4 year old daughter was killed.
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Trust me when i say your wrong on that one, he was a real person hamilton and real children died and it was awful.
I still think that Hamilton did not act alone, and that his death poses more questions than ever. If memory serves, the SOCO reports were included in the 100 year gag order. If true, that's shameful.
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Dunblane notes


To those who are crying hoax : give it a rest, you don't know what you are talking about.


Sandra Uttley wrote the book "Dunblane Unburied".


She also has a website: http://www.dunblaneexposed.info/


and posted briefly at the UK 911 "Truth" forum as AlexSandie :


13 Mar 96 Thomas Hamilton Dunblane Massacre Cover-up


I used to be in email contact but I think Sandra's work on Dunblane tapered off a couple of years back.


Sandra fought a long and courageous battle against the insidious Scottish cabal, mostly on her own, and I suppose it took it's toll.


As one can read from her posts above, she trod the road less travelled and received little support due to the emotions invoked by child shootings ...


Sandra was also in a relationship with Mick North, the father of one of the victims after the event.


That must have ended up very stressful because Mick North, understandably, became busy on the Gun Control campaign trail.


As Sandra said of the Scottish Masonic mafia : "If you want to stage a cover-up, there is no better place than Scotland!"


See also : Billy Burns' website 'Dunblane Abandoned' http://dunblane.eu.com/ - now archived here.


Obama referenced Dunblane, albeit obliquely in his speeches after Sandy Hook and more recently.


Then lowly Scottish MP for for Hamilton South, George Robertson, now the Lord Baron Robertson of Port Ellen, featured in the Dunblane narrative.


Google search : george robertson dunblane hamilton


As did Michael Forsyth, then MP for the Dunblane constituency Stirling and Secretary of State for Scotland, now the Lord Baron Forsyth of Drumlean.


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The S.C.U.M - Scottish Cover Up Merchants


LORD Robertson has started a landmark legal action against a Scottish newspaper over internet allegations falsely accusing him of helping Thomas Hamilton, the Dunblane killer, obtain his gun licence.


Robertson's "meteoric rise" saw him become Princess Bliar's Defence Secretary and then General Secretary of NATO.


It was the placeman Robertson who fully invoked Article 5 of the Washington Treaty for the first time ever in NATO's history, on 2 October 2001, in response to GW Bush's Terrorism Ambassador, Francis X Taylor's presentation on the "guilt" of Osama bin Laden vis 9/11


and so began the bombing of Afghanistan ...


Nobody can get hold of this "presentation" - it's classified.


Believe me I've tried ...


From a lowly MP in backwater Scotland, to rubber stamping the start of NATO's global War of Terror, in 5 years ...


Dunblane, in part, may well have been a response to EU Directive 477 banning ownership of firearms as part of the Schengen Open Borders policy.


Among the usual Kabbalistic roots...


As an aside ...

Re: Schengen - an astonishing factoid emerged in the reportage of the Alice Gross case, the teenager who was allegedly murdered by Latvian builder and convicted murderer Arnis Zalkalns.

This 14 year old girl was reported to have been, ahem, "supportive of open borders" ...

The Alice Gross case is rooted in the EU / UK / Latvia SOMEC initiative - Serious Offending Mobile European Criminals and of course, the Masonic Manor of Hanwell.


Also, the Dunblane precursor was :


The Hungerford Massacre - Michael Ryan - aka "Phodius Tei" playing out in real life, his play by mail role from "Further into Fantasy" ...


See also : Patricia Pulling


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TWO weeks later Ryan received what was to be his final message in the role play by mail game ...


When at last you awake you are standing in a forest, there is a throbbing in your head, a madness that is the exhilaration of the serpent god, you know what you must do, know what power is to be gained from this.’


Ryan's first victim, Susan Godfrey, who was shot 13 times in the back, was murdered in Savernake Forest ...


We never did find out who Ryan's PBM game master was, because Thames Valley Police "found no evidence", blah blah ...


No evidence ?


they then banned all automatic weapons.





The fictitious, Sandy Hook perp, "Adam Lanza" was constructed with reference to the Dunblane event.


Sandy Hook : "Adam Lanza" birth date attribute set to 22 April 1992


and the subsequent UK handgun ban was one of the many roots to the Columbine event:


The Columbine High School massacre on 20 April 1999


The seemingly, principal, alleged Sandy Hook victim, Noah Pozner's alleged birth date, also has a root to the Dunblane perp, Thomas Hamilton.


Sandy Hook : Noah Pozner and other shooting events


Start here : Sandy Hook : Noah Pozner and Zion


and other "Sandy Hook victims" also have roots in the Dunblane milieu ...


as they have to each other ...


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And for the fastest, "Public Enquiry" in history ...


Dunblane Resources:


Dunblane : The Cullen Report


Dunblane Enquiry - Transcripts


The only, alleged eye witness to Hamilton's "alleged suicide", David Duke Scott, was not even called by Cullen to give evidence at the "Public Enquiry", which speaks volumes about the kind of enquiry, "safe hands Cullen" presided over ...


Cullen recommended the predictable synthesis of the thesis and anti-thesis by recommending banning firearms and "Licensing" for child workers.


They then banned all handguns, following the understandable public outcry over primary school children being massacred and because of the organised campaigns like Snowdrop, the Gun Control Network and IANSA.


With finance from George Soros ... naturally ...


The vainglorious Fabian war monger, Princess Bliar ( ack, spit ) and his "6th form common room" New Labour, "things can only get better", drunk on power muppet brigade, dragged their feet on Child Worker Licensing.


So then Soham happened, with the "made to measure" patsy, Ian Huntley, in a simply unbelievable narrative, with Blunkett suspending a Chief Constable, police investigators probably fitted up on child porn charges, Huntley unprecedentedly, sectioned before charge without a single shred of evidence against him and then carted off to Rampton Mental Hospital to be chemically lobotomised, a "single hair" forensic "evidence base" supposedly "linking him" to the two girls, ( à la Barry George / Jill Dando and Alice Gross / Arnis Zalkalns ), data systems "going down" just at the right time, no references taken up for Huntley by the school's head, who only admitted this after the trial, suspect, "hearsay alleged witnesses", Humberside police deleting some of Huntley's records in a "Data Protection cleanup" etc etc ...


And to cap it all, the narrative would have us believe that the alleged murderer Huntley, subsequently tried to conceal the girls Man Utd tops, in a bin, in a building, at the scene of the crime, at the school, after the building had been "searched by the police" ...


The Bichard Enquiry into Soham again recommended Cullen's proposals, then we got the desired outcome of child worker licensing / vetting & barring etc.


Read about that fiasco and weep ...


I suggest, one would need to have cognitive difficulties, to accept as fact, the litany of supposed "coincidental failures" in the Soham / Huntley narrative ...


Yet despite the vetting & barring, we still have paedo headmasters, teachers, clergy, et al ...













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There was no "gun crime epidemic" in the UK before these contrived, Hegelian "shooting events" were manufactured ...


Today we learn that armed police are now patrolling the streets of "gang central" Manchester ...


Because the "war on drugs" has been so spectacularly successful ...


The drug addled crims now have automatic weapons and will shoot anyone in a trice.


The defenceless, law abiding UK majority are more vulnerable to gun crime now than ever ...


But we are not allowed to own firearms to defend ourselves ...



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http://www.dunblaneexposed.info/

Using the McConn expression--leaving no stone unturned.

Cullen Inquiry in my opinion just another cover up and waste of time.
100 years before files will be opened ??
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http://www.dunblaneexposed.info/2010...omas-hamilton/

So many unanswered questions...
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What's interesting about this case is that freemasson grand master lord burton spoke out and exposed the cover-up, said that he had been threatened , and told to shut-up.

The fact they cannot rely on a 'grand master', someone at the very top of masonry, to cover up their dirty secrets , shows how very small the clique of child molesters is, and how vulnerable they are.
Oh how I wish that they would all be exposed once and for all and that all their innocent victims live to see justice being served.
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What's interesting about this case is that freemasson grand master lord burton spoke out and exposed the cover-up, said that he had been threatened , and told to shut-up.

The fact they cannot rely on a 'grand master', someone at the very top of masonry, to cover up their dirty secrets , shows how very small the clique of child molesters is, and how vulnerable they are.
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I still think that Hamilton did not act alone, and that his death poses more questions than ever. If memory serves, the SOCO reports were included in the 100 year gag order. If true, that's shameful.
Didn't a few of the survivors report another gunman?. Also I'm sure he (Thomas Hamilton) was shoot more than once which would rule out suicide
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The link I posted above for Sandra Uttley's posts as alexsandie at the UK 9/11 "Truth" forum was wrong :








stolenkids-dunblane.blogspot.co.uk : QVS - DUNBLANE - A HOUSEMASTER'S STORY



Herald Scotland : Housemaster died after plunge from stepladder


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