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Old 20-11-2018, 05:27 PM   #521
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it's only rock and roll

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Old 20-11-2018, 09:04 PM   #522
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The saying "It's Only Rock and Roll" reminds me of the title of the Only Fools and Horses episode where Rodney joins a group of misfits intent on making it big time as a band. Only later, after Rodney is pursuaded by Del not to join them thinking they will never be a success, does Rodders discover they made it on Top of the Pops. A somewhat fantastised plot line designed to instill the false idea that all you need is to cross your fingers for good luck, keep going and working hard, and you'll be a big star. The Beatles were no doubt used as an example to give the impression that 4 Liverpudlian lads hit the big time amongst all the competition and that anyone can become a household name.

Everything Beatles and the people involved in the whole Beatle phenomenon just reaks of brainwashing and social engineering. The fans going mental just screams (no pun intended) of brainwashing or a carefully planned experiment. Even Elvis didn't have that many of the screaming girls stuff the Beatles had.

Onto PiD, but I was just watching a Hard Days Night film and noticed Paul's eye brows are somewhat "relaxed" and not the often seen highly arched brow they appear to be in various early photos and in some video appearances. In the scene where they are on the train at the start, Paul's brows clearly (to me anyway) don't look the same as they do when he appeared on the talent show (Thank Your Lucky Stars I think it was?) a year earlier with Dusty Springfield. In that show, Paul had very prominent arching eyebrows that arched right over his forehead, and they are quite thin too. Yet, in AHDN, they are quite thick and certainly don't arch in the way they do in the above mentioned show. How the hell do you change the shape and direction of your eyebrows?.

I've taken another look at AHDN, and in the scene mentioned above, in different camera angles and cuts, it appears to show Paul with varying eyebrow lengths and shapes. There are a couple of quick close up shots where his brows look noticeably arched, yet at other times they appear short, thick and more close to his eyes. Now I'm assuming this scene was filmed in one go at the same time, so how does one have different shaped brows?. I have heard that there is more than one Paul in a scene in Help!, but so far I have yet to track down the scene in question.

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Old 20-11-2018, 09:14 PM   #523
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Beatles Manager Allen Klein from 1969 (officially)

Born in America on 18 December 1931, Klein was the son of Jewish immigrants from Budapest. As a teenager he excelled at mental arithmetic. After graduating from Upsala College, New Jersey in 1956, he began auditing for record companies and bookkeeping for a number of showbusiness names.

In 1957 he began a business partnership with his wife Betty. Two years later he met singer Bobby Darin at a wedding, and offered to make him $100,000. Darin asked what he needed to do, and Klein reportedly said: "Nothing. Just let me go over your accounts."

Klein pursued Darin's record company for money he regarded as owed to the singer. Darin gave Klein free rein to audit his accounts, and duly received the cheque Klein had promised.

The hostile approach became Klein's trademark. He picked up further celebrity clients, and record labels began to fear his methods.

In 1963 Klein became Sam Cooke's business manager, negotiating an unprecedented agreement between the star and the music industry: Cooke ended up with the rights to all his future recordings, gate receipts for concert, 10% of all record sales and back royalties.

https://www.beatlesbible.com/people/allen-klein/

Klein is also linked to the early deaths of Brian Jones (Rolling Stones) (1969) and Sam Cooke (1964)from both of whom he obtained and retained all major rights and royalties over all recordings upon their deaths. Cooke was alleged to have been beaten close to death before being shot by the mob, because he wanted to manage himself. Jones was alleged to have refused to hand over his rights regarding the title and music of the Rolling Stones.
This post reminds me of something Bartzis says in the above video (1:13:40) Talking about Elvis " This was at a time when if you were a musician you were lucky if you saw 1% of your total earnings and if you were a black person at that time you were lucky if you saw a quarter %)

So after the death of Brian Epstein (jewish) the next Beatles manager is Klien (jewish) ... I'm sure both managers made sure most most of the wealth went to the cabal ... see this express article "Epstien's "blunders" lost the Beatles millions" ...https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...stein-blunders

If you are jewish on the other hand and push the NWO like charity thieves Bono or Geldolf then things are different... Bono's net worth is $700 million ... Gelgolf , who's career spanned a few years and a handful of songs is worth $150 Million

How is that possible when the Bee Gees , the biggest songwriting /record selling group in history are not even worth $100 Million ???
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Old 21-11-2018, 07:03 AM   #524
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John Lennon wanted Klein as manager, but Paul did not - he couldn't stand the guy.

As with later case, should Paul have been disposed of to satisfy Lennon's choice of manager, then Klein would have ensured that Lennon was co-conspirator, and thus under Klein's thumb in that respect.

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Old 22-11-2018, 03:03 AM   #525
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Epstein had been a good manager for the Beatles, ...
In what way was he a good manager??? He was a representative of the Cabal ... tried to control them ... dressed them up in suits , got them to bow at the end of performances , made sure they were respectful to royalty .... financially he made sure they didn't get the money Faul said ..“Brian didn’t get very good deals on anything, For years EMI were giving us one old penny between us for every single and two shillings for every album.”

Don't imagine Faul was in on the wider conspiracy .. He was just recruited to play Paul , that's the extent of his understanding , he would have had his own personal opinions on everything else , managers etc ... but it didn't effect the outcome ....

Generally when you see a jew in a position of power .... epstien , teresa may , musk, gates ,einstien , freud, bono, you can assume they're NWO operatives ... They will not have the whole picture , but they're where the rubber hits the road

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Old 22-11-2018, 08:01 AM   #526
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from search ....a single in 1964 cost 7/6 .... 90d ... the whole group got 1d of that.

" his efforts would have been later trashed as an excuse for switching to Klein" well there was no switch ...epstein died Aug 1967 ....then they formed Apple "They hoped it would provide the means for correcting Epstein's unfortunate business decisions," (wikipedia) , so even at the time epstien's financial mismanagement was accepted . Only in 1969 did klein become the beatle's manager ...

I agree epstien did not create the financial set up where record companies took most , as has been covered this had existed long before the Beatles , but he played along with it , no doubt got secret payments from the record companies to sign bum deals , all the time telling the beatles it was the best possible.

What evidence is there Epstein was "removed" ???

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Old 27-11-2018, 09:38 AM   #527
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The Epstein/Klein angle to the PiD theory is an interesting one, and it's the first time I've heard of it before despite the amont of theories abound from PiD researchers. I wonder what Mark Devlin, Tina Foster and Mike Williams will make of thid theory?.

The problem I see with this theory, in relation to Paul being killed and replaced, is that it doesn't seem to fit in to the suggestion that Paul's death was planned well in advance. Ive heard from some PiD researchers that clues in the Butcher album and the Yesterday and Today reissue, is to hint at Paul himself knowing he was going to be murdered rather than being the opposite that he was unaware of his imminent demise.

I have no doubt the Beatles were paid a pittance to what they should've received. Very common amongst artists of the day. It's well known that Col Tom Parker took a big share of Elvis's earnings, something like 50%. So it's no surprise the same would have happened with the Beatles.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:41 PM   #528
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The Epstein/Klein angle to the PiD theory is an interesting one, and it's the first time I've heard of it before despite the amont of theories abound from PiD researchers. I wonder what Mark Devlin, Tina Foster and Mike Williams will make of thid theory?.

The problem I see with this theory, in relation to Paul being killed and replaced, is that it doesn't seem to fit in to the suggestion that Paul's death was planned well in advance. Ive heard from some PiD researchers that clues in the Butcher album and the Yesterday and Today reissue, is to hint at Paul himself knowing he was going to be murdered rather than being the opposite that he was unaware of his imminent demise.

I have no doubt the Beatles were paid a pittance to what they should've received. Very common amongst artists of the day. It's well known that Col Tom Parker took a big share of Elvis's earnings, something like 50%. So it's no surprise the same would have happened with the Beatles.
Lol what happened to Tina foster
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:07 PM   #529
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Lol what happened to Tina foster
What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
She never posts her websites etc and out put is much diminished

Even the pia’ers have died a quiet death
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Old 10-12-2018, 09:47 AM   #531
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I'm inclined to believe she's disinfo. Mark Devlin on the other hand doesn't state with certainty that Paul definitely was replaced as there's no concrete evidence for it only innthe clues. Im more on the side of the twins theory myself.
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Paul and Brian deaths by security services.

This is a bigger intrigue than any of us realise, I believe.

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Old 09-01-2019, 09:03 PM   #533
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John Lennon wanted Klein as manager, but Paul did not - he couldn't stand the guy.

As with later case, should Paul have been disposed of to satisfy Lennon's choice of manager, then Klein would have ensured that Lennon was co-conspirator, and thus under Klein's thumb in that respect.
That would then explain why Epstein was taken out too. He would have slept soundly after his long pointless journey that day, so would have been easy to overpower whilst asleep. Brian would have been in the dark about Klein, unless Paul had already told him.

As with other deaths occurring under Klein's takeovers, Lennon would have been offered a big increase in royalties under the condition he kept his mouth closed. When he later became a loose cannon, then his turn would be next.
Klein was always kept safe by the security services, and it was only after the death of Brian Jones in '69 that people began to see similarities in the cases, and the cover-ups underway, including police and courts.

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Old 14-01-2019, 07:51 AM   #534
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I wonder if Mark Devlin has researched this theory about Klein?. Would be interesting to hear his views on this in relation to Lennon's death. I know he's supposed to be doing another Q&A video this month looking through email questions he's received regarding various topics he talks about, but so far there hasn't been anything yet.

I like Devlin's views on PiD more than other researchers, mainly because he does at least admit there is no real proof Paul died, only clues to decipher from album covers and lyrics. And I like his recent opinions regarding the possibility or twins, as for me that sounds far more believable a theory.
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I wonder if Mark Devlin has researched this theory about Klein?. Would be interesting to hear his views on this in relation to Lennon's death. I know he's supposed to be doing another Q&A video this month looking through email questions he's received regarding various topics he talks about, but so far there hasn't been anything yet.

I like Devlin's views on PiD more than other researchers, mainly because he does at least admit there is no real proof Paul died, only clues to decipher from album covers and lyrics. And I like his recent opinions regarding the possibility or twins, as for me that sounds far more believable a theory.
His views would be dependent on whether he is a freemason or not. He is in the music business, - he is a business man, so most probably is, and knows the score to that end. Unless he has a death wish he is not going to speak out. Anyone who is claiming to know anything about Paul PID but has never mentioned Klein is simply not telling the truth. The statement that there "is no proof" furthers that fact, as one can only know that they have not yet seen any proof. It is not possible for anyone to claim there is no proof, as nobody can possibly know the non-existence of something they have not yet seen. As with the death of Brian Jones, all that is available in the public domain is deceit. Truth is well hidden from public viewing.
The fact you cannot find it does not indicate it's non-existence - the truth is never necessarily "believable".
As for Brian Epstein - intel services took care of that one by the looks of it - typical MI5/6 hit job.
The mob and the establishment always work hand in glove.
There is much hidden from viewing - both on and offline.
As for Lennon - you cannot end a contract so easily - not when it has already been sealed with a death.

You will not find the truth about Klein anywhere - I can assure you. It is well concealed. - And even moreso in the past three years. The mob own the music industry. There are hardly any music business exposures about Klein available now online - it's all been taken down.

Devlin will not wish to risk exposing the truth - his wallet will suffer if nothing else - and he knows it.

But please do put it to Devlin if you wish - and see if he bottles it when put on the spot.

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The Epstein/Klein angle to the PiD theory is an interesting one, and it's the first time I've heard of it before despite the amont of theories abound from PiD researchers. I wonder what Mark Devlin, Tina Foster and Mike Williams will make of thid theory?.

The problem I see with this theory, in relation to Paul being killed and replaced, is that it doesn't seem to fit in to the suggestion that Paul's death was planned well in advance. Ive heard from some PiD researchers that clues in the Butcher album and the Yesterday and Today reissue, is to hint at Paul himself knowing he was going to be murdered rather than being the opposite that he was unaware of his imminent demise.

I have no doubt the Beatles were paid a pittance to what they should've received. Very common amongst artists of the day. It's well known that Col Tom Parker took a big share of Elvis's earnings, something like 50%. So it's no surprise the same would have happened with the Beatles.
Did he actually know he was going to be murdered? - (or was the whole setup just a planned retirement) but suddenly with a lookalike trading places? (instead of him being "murdered" - although he may well have been in reality) There was certainly enough squabbling going on at the time to make the average musician call it a day - take the money and run.
Perhaps that had been the deal with a pay-off from Klein to depart from the group and remain as "dead" to all intents and purposes, but with a doppleganger taking over the position to keep the whole money-making band complete and ongoing.
The real Paul would never have needed/wanted Denny Laine in his band.
Klein had a bad cloud hanging over any pay-offs he had to make. Brian Jones was said to have been waiting for between "60,000 and £100,000 when he suddenly died in 1969, (he owned the Rolling Stones, lock, stock and barrel) but nobody ever publishes anything pointing at Klein, it is always:
He committed suicide
He drowned while high on drugs and booze
The builder did it.
Klein's thug did it.
etc. etc. etc
However Mick and Keith now owned the band and the royalties, but Klein owned the back catalogue with royalties for evermore.

I personally believe the account of the witness who claimed Brian Jones was held by the ankles upside down by Klein's thug with his head in a bucket of water until he drowned, then he was thrown in the pool.
There is never any information or investigation about the injuries to the body.
However, the fact remains that Klein retained all rights and royalties to both Sam Cooke and Brian Jones/Rolling Stones music at least until the point of death - and to this day.
I expect the same would have happened with the Beatles catalogue too. (I believe Faul has re-purchased the catalogue.)
If that was the case, it would suggest that John had been forced to relinquish any control - that is he had been made an offer,that for some reason he could not refuse.

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Old 02-02-2019, 08:26 PM   #537
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On to PID, but I'm pretty convinced there has been (and still is?) more than one Paul McCartney, or people pretending to be him, because the photo evidence clearly, IMO, points to this. And it likely points to more than two which, if you consider the fraternal twins suggestion, poses more questions than answers. I can accept two fraternal twins, but more than that?. Yes it could be a case of the two twin brothers plus the odd one or two "doubles" stepping in, but those other two, three, four, are clearly not doubles or lookalikes, they are people who clearly have a uncanny likeness to each other, so much that they'd be seen as genetic relations, either broth ers or even cousins. Plastic surgery doesn't gel with me as I don't think they can transform someone to look like someone else with a near 100% likeness.

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Maybe they were using alien technology
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It sounds a silly theory, but all you've got to do is look at the photo and video evidence which shows the supposedly same person looking ever so different from time to time, and I don't mean in his clothing appearance. This can be seen intermittently throughout the Beatles years: short Paul with arching brows, then slightly taller Paul with straighter brows, back to Paul with arching brows and smaller stature, and so on. Although admittedly I don't see many longer face Paul/Faul's from before 66 only the rounder faced one. And we have video of Paul showing brown eyes (or hazel), then later on him having green eyes (which can be seen in the Hey Jude performance from the late 60s). If this indicates twins in the normal sense, then would'nt they both have the same eye colour?. If they are fraternal twins, then maybe not.

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