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Old 23-10-2017, 11:25 PM   #1
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Advocates for children celebrated last year when President Barack Obama signed a law meant to keep military officials from concealing child abuse and neglect on military bases. But U.S. Department of Defense officials say the law doesn’t address one key reason why military children who are mistreated may not be getting all the help they need.

Talia’s Law, named for a 5-year-old girl who was killed by her soldier father on a military base in Hawaii, requires military officials to immediately report any suspected child abuse or neglect involving military families to state social services agencies.

But there is no reciprocal requirement for social services agencies — the agencies aren’t required to let the military know about reports of suspected child abuse and neglect in military families.


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It's been a big problem for a long time. One reason they get away with it is due to the constant rotation of staff.
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The problem exists, though it's hard and impossible to find the base of it to fight
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The problem exists, though it's hard and impossible to find the base of it to fight
It's hard to find the base because it's an inverted base with the root of the problem coming from the top down, from the capstone at the top of the pyramid, making it a smaller target, harder to identify.
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It's been a big problem for a long time. One reason they get away with it is due to the constant rotation of staff.
And because Americans have been brainwashed into "supporting the troops" no matter what.

The US soldiers absolve themselves from responsibility whatever their crime might be by blaming the politicians.

"I was only following chain of command".
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The base of any child abuse is in poor support for any parent who is struggling to cope in the case of neglect.
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Advocates for children celebrated last year when President Barack Obama signed a law meant to keep military officials from concealing child abuse and neglect on military bases. But U.S. Department of Defense officials say the law doesn’t address one key reason why military children who are mistreated may not be getting all the help they need.

Talia’s Law, named for a 5-year-old girl who was killed by her soldier father on a military base in Hawaii, requires military officials to immediately report any suspected child abuse or neglect involving military families to state social services agencies.

But there is no reciprocal requirement for social services agencies — the agencies aren’t required to let the military know about reports of suspected child abuse and neglect in military families.


http://taskandpurpose.com/military-c...se-unreported/
I would think the issue revolves around things like PTSD and the fact that suffers can react badly to stressful situations, and those of us with kids know how stressful they can be.

Why should the social services tell the military if there is neglect? do they tell civilian bosses if an employee is neglecting their kids? I would think its down to individuals to let their management chain know if there are problems in their lives. Also, can you imagine the potential damage to individuals if the social services went to their bosses and said they suspect them of child abuse? what if it was disproved and the individual chooses to sue?
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The constant rotation of staff makes it harder to track. Similar situation to the Catholic priests.
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The constant rotation of staff makes it harder to track. Similar situation to the Catholic priests.
I doubt it as people remain in places for several years at a time generally in order to give some stability to family lives. The kids go to schools and mix with other people, as do the families, so its not like they are hidden away for short period and then moved on.

Lets not try and tie this is with sex abuse by priests either. Child abuse doesnt have to be sexual.
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I would think that the military has its own social workers who would investigate claims of child abuse. This is true in Canada--although I don't know if the social workers are soldiers or whether they are civilians who are employed by the military at their bases. (I think they are actually soldiers as my son was told he would be working as a social worker on a base if he joined the military; he had a degree).
I believe the military social workers would work with military police in investigating child abuse, just as social workers from an agency or as government employees work with police in investigating child abuse. I was a social worker for decades and never once did I have to investigate any allegations on a military base.
So, unless I have information to the contrary, I think the military investigate their own personnel via military police and military social workers. I don't know if this means that if they find there has been abuse it gets reported outside the military into the civilian court services or remains in-house. Keeping it in-house means keeping a lid on things and allowing abuse to continue as it doesn't see the light of day.
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I would think that the military has its own social workers who would investigate claims of child abuse. This is true in Canada--although I don't know if the social workers are soldiers or whether they are civilians who are employed by the military at their bases. (I think they are actually soldiers as my son was told he would be working as a social worker on a base if he joined the military; he had a degree).
I believe the military social workers would work with military police in investigating child abuse, just as social workers from an agency or as government employees work with police in investigating child abuse. I was a social worker for decades and never once did I have to investigate any allegations on a military base.
So, unless I have information to the contrary, I think the military investigate their own personnel via military police and military social workers. I don't know if this means that if they find there has been abuse it gets reported outside the military into the civilian court services or remains in-house. Keeping it in-house means keeping a lid on things and allowing abuse to continue as it doesn't see the light of day.
Im sure they dont have their own social workers. As such crimes are civil crimes they are dealt with in civil courts. Military courts only have the power to punish people for breaking military laws.

The fact is that the military dont keep things in house to avoid attention. I have heard of cases of military people getting caught with child porn and which led to them being dishonourably discharged and locked up in a civilian jail the same as anybody else would be.

Military police tend to have quite limited powers and certainly dont have the same powers as civilian police, so it would be of little use them investigating such crimes as it would be outside of their authority.

Just because you never dealt with incidents on bases it doesnt mean others havent.
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I doubt it as people remain in places for several years at a time generally in order to give some stability to family lives. The kids go to schools and mix with other people, as do the families, so its not like they are hidden away for short period and then moved on.

Lets not try and tie this is with sex abuse by priests either. Child abuse doesnt have to be sexual.
There was an internal investigation here where I live on this very issue (about 20 years ago) and it was determined that rotation of staff made it harder to track the perpetrators.

PS: clergy get rotated around a lot as well, that was my only reason for including them.
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There was an internal investigation here where I live on this very issue (about 20 years ago) and it was determined that rotation of staff made it harder to track the perpetrators.

PS: clergy get rotated around a lot as well, that was my only reason for including them.
I cant see how its harder to track TBH. If a red flag is raised against an individual then they will know exactly where they will be moving to, so its not like they just vanish. Maybe that was just an excuse for not dealing with it properly. People dont move around that quickly. How long does a abuse need to go on before its noticed, reported and acted upon? should it really take more than a year or two?
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I cant see how its harder to track TBH. If a red flag is raised against an individual then they will know exactly where they will be moving to, so its not like they just vanish. Maybe that was just an excuse for not dealing with it properly. People dont move around that quickly. How long does a abuse need to go on before its noticed, reported and acted upon? should it really take more than a year or two?
I'm not going to argue about it. I worked with a social worker who was involved.
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