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Old 26-02-2018, 04:38 PM   #1
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Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

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Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

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government IS a fraudulent religion!
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Old 26-02-2018, 05:06 PM   #3
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Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.L
Fuck 'the government'.

As long as it doesn't involve children or animals then the crazier the religion the better.

Who is this 'government' you keep appealing to to sort out all your own mental problems???

ffs stop tugging at Daddy's trouser leg and grow a pair.
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exactly ^^ the ''govt'' will not give a solution because the ''govt'' is the problem
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government IS a fraudulent religion!
I can agree with this but see governments as a better religion as it can be argued against in reality whereas the other religious Gods are absentee and pure fiction.

The intelligentsia will agree and that is why we live by secular law and not theistic law and why secular law has proven it self to be superior to theistic law.

That is also why the religious reject theistic law and follow secular law.

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Fuck 'the government'.

As long as it doesn't involve children or animals then the crazier the religion the better.

Who is this 'government' you keep appealing to to sort out all your own mental problems???

ffs stop tugging at Daddy's trouser leg and grow a pair.
It does involve the brainwashing of children so why are you on the religious side? That brainwashing stays in place as they grow to adulthood.

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exactly ^^ the ''govt'' will not give a solution because the ''govt'' is the problem
Our governments are better Gods than the theistic Gods.

That is why we live by secular law and do not advocate for theistic law.

We can argue in reality against governments but cannot argue against absentee Gods whose law are rejected by theists.

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Governments aren't even that good at regulating themselves, so to want them to regulate religions is asking for trouble.

Anyway...

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 9: Freedom of thought, belief and religion

'Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching practice and observance.'

As long as the belief system isn't harming others, then allow them to be.
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I can agree with this but see governments as a better religion as it can be argued against in reality whereas the other religious Gods are absentee and pure fiction.

The intelligentsia will agree and that is why we live by secular law and not theistic law and why secular law has proven it self to be superior to theistic law.

That is also why the religious reject theistic law and follow secular law.

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but are the gods absentee if those religions are really about revealing or reminding you of you own divinity?
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Governments aren't even that good at regulating themselves, so to want them to regulate religions is asking for trouble.

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Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 9: Freedom of thought, belief and religion

'Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching practice and observance.'

As long as the belief system isn't harming others, then allow them to be.
Most mainstream religions are homophobic and misogynous and have been forever.

Do you not see that as harm to women and gays and are they not a large enough number of victims for us to say that the current religions are evil?

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but are the gods absentee if those religions are really about revealing or reminding you of you own divinity?
No, depending on how they define divinity.

As a gnostic Christian, I have no problem with man being supreme and more divine than the slave wanting Christianity and Islam.

When I speak of my own apotheosis, I am quick to take the divine part out of the definition as divinity is a label that can only be given by others and cannot be given to ones self.

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I can agree with this but see governments as a better religion as it can be argued against in reality whereas the other religious Gods are absentee and pure fiction.

The intelligentsia will agree and that is why we live by secular law and not theistic law and why secular law has proven it self to be superior to theistic law.

That is also why the religious reject theistic law and follow secular law.

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Governments use religions to control the masses so it suits them to have people believing nonsense. But secular law is generally more sensible.
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Most mainstream religions are homophobic and misogynous and have been forever.

Do you not see that as harm to women and gays and are they not a large enough number of victims for us to say that the current religions are evil?

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Agreed and the elite sure used that to their advantage: scaring people into submission by threats of hellfire!
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