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Old 21-05-2012, 03:04 PM   #101
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Can i just ask, if you were a doctor and you had 3 children and you ACCIDENTLY over medicated 1 of them and found them dead when you returned would you.......

1) Own up, get struck off the medical register get your other 2 children PUT INTO CARE and get jailed for 3 - 4 years (in a foriegn prison). Ruining 5 lives of everybody you love.

Or

2) Make up an elaborate abduction story, Heartbreaking, cold , callus Yes defanatly but your still there for your remaining Kids??

THERE ISNT A PARENT ON HERE THAT WOULD ANSWER NUMBER 1, I dont think there are many who would be cold enuf to see it through thoe.

bit simplistic but i think they are happy to answer to god. noone else.
You don't accidentally overmedicate a child with a drug that is used purely to make them sleep soundly so that you can drink alcohol with your friends.

This was premeditated use of a sleeping drug if this is the case and they deserve to be struck off.

You don't medicate a child with anything and leave it unattended for any amount of time. The child could vomit in their sleep - as doctors they should know this better than anyone else.

You certainly don't medicate 3 small children and leave them all unattended.

If you overmedicate your child on holiday I should hope the first thing you do is call an ambulance.

If you overmedicate them and didn't realise and leave the room and are a doctor - you should be struck off.

Accidental medication? Medication for what purpose?
A sick child needs constant supervision.
A sleepless child needs constant supervision.

You are already breaking the law by
1. Medicating a child that isn't ill
2. Medicating a child and leaving it unattended
3. Leaving 3 kids unattended

This is no accident - this is a pattern over the whole holiday that they left their kids and maybe medicated them each night.
If the dose was upped because the neighbour complained that is even worse.

The answer is that if you are a doctor you don't medicate kids for no reason, you don't leave sick kids and if you cause a death you tell the authorities what happened and would have family and friends to back your story up.

If you are a criminal you would cover it up - you would care only about yourself and you wouldn't care that you destroyed your wife, children and friends lives in the process.

Devil's advocate or not - this is a fail!
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Old 22-05-2012, 12:10 AM   #102
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Certainly looking guilty here

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Old 22-05-2012, 12:37 AM   #103
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You don't accidentally overmedicate a child with a drug that is used purely to make them sleep soundly so that you can drink alcohol with your friends.

This was premeditated use of a sleeping drug if this is the case and they deserve to be struck off.

You don't medicate a child with anything and leave it unattended for any amount of time. The child could vomit in their sleep - as doctors they should know this better than anyone else.

You certainly don't medicate 3 small children and leave them all unattended.

If you overmedicate your child on holiday I should hope the first thing you do is call an ambulance.

If you overmedicate them and didn't realise and leave the room and are a doctor - you should be struck off.

Accidental medication? Medication for what purpose?
A sick child needs constant supervision.
A sleepless child needs constant supervision.

You are already breaking the law by
1. Medicating a child that isn't ill
2. Medicating a child and leaving it unattended
3. Leaving 3 kids unattended

This is no accident - this is a pattern over the whole holiday that they left their kids and maybe medicated them each night.
If the dose was upped because the neighbour complained that is even worse.

The answer is that if you are a doctor you don't medicate kids for no reason, you don't leave sick kids and if you cause a death you tell the authorities what happened and would have family and friends to back your story up.

If you are a criminal you would cover it up - you would care only about yourself and you wouldn't care that you destroyed your wife, children and friends lives in the process.

Devil's advocate or not - this is a fail!
Absolutely superb post! Thank you for spelling it out for the newbies.

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DEY DO DOUGH DON'T DEY DOUGH!

("Grieving" donator??? A day or three after his daughter went AWOL ... Says it all, end of)


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Old 22-05-2012, 11:44 PM   #104
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The Blacksmith Bureau

FRIDAY, 18 MAY 2012

Lest we forget…
It won't make the Bureau popular but before we all start getting hung up on a version of events going, more or less, the Sun and the News of the World, both owned by Murdoch,  immediately "adopted"   the McCanns – for whatever reason – and set in train the crazily uncritical media support that drowned out factual analysis of the case,  we need to pause. However attractive such an Answer To It All may be we could be kidding ourselves.

The Bureau has always contrasted the performance of the "overground" media in the case with that of the Internet where, we felt, among the clamour of different voices it was possible to read another side of the story. That, certainly, was not the case on the overground: while readers' comments carried some telling criticisms there was the well known similarity of view about almost all the writing and television reportage of the case.

At least, that was so in late June/July 2007 when the original Bureau first took an interest in the case and neutral sites such as the Mirror forum provided an invaluable research tool for those interested in the affair.

But what about before that? We know that the overground had gone slightly mad from about two days after the disappearance onwards. What was the Net, which wasn't under the control of anyone,  doing then to keep it honest?

Well let's have a look with someone who knows, Emma Brockes of the London Guardian, writing on May 19 2007. Here are some excerpts from an article we hadn't seen before.

"…if you went online yesterday, seeking an outlet for your sympathy, you would have been confronted by a confusing and in some quarters horrifying array of options… dozens of sites and subsites that have sprung up in the last fortnight - findmaddie.com, help_find_madeleine_mccann.com, givemaddieback.com …of such breadth and randomness that by yesterday morning, the appeal set up by the McCann family… was forced to identify itself as The Official Website".

And:

"There are 90 different Madeleine-related groups on Facebook alone, circulating her photo to user communities of between six and 76,000 members….the official website has registered 60m hits and posters of her have been seen in campsites as far away as Bulgaria, translated into local languages via appeals put out by bloggers…"

And:

"When…Sarah Payne and James Bulger disappeared, there weren't the online communities available to power this kind of grassroots response, and for that response to have a knock-on effect in loftier quarters. But that doesn't quite explain the tone of the outpourings….homemade video tributes to Madeleine, posted on YouTube to soundtracks by Christina Aguilera and N Sync, and indistinguishable in tone and relish from the regular pop-star fan tributes… mutterings that this is a post-Diana thing…but much of the response seemed to have more to do with the News of the World's erstwhile anti-paedophile campaign, and the general hysteria that governs "right" versus "wrong" parenting.

"On the parenting websites, so riven along sectarian lines, here at least was something everyone could get solidly behind…No wonder the stampede to share the McCanns' pain has been so thunderous - although before the family's impeccable credentials became clear, one imagines there was a conflict in some tabloid newsrooms over Parents who left their kids alone while they had dinner, versus Evil Paedophile Under the Bed, he's coming for your kids next."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007...9/crime.uknews

Not much about the Net being full of  "haters", is there?

In fact it seems that  there was much more pro-McCann bedlam on the Net early on, both in word-count and in readership ("60 million hits") than there was in the wicked overground media! And if you check the EMM news explorer site you will see that the really hefty propaganda for the McCanns on the overground hadn't yet begun: the outpourings on the Net were not triggered by Rebekah Brooks-type  manipulation but based on the reasonably factual early agency reports and, most significantly, the claims, exhaustively described in the Cracked Mirror,  of the parents themselves using their Team amplifiers.

The Bureau has always described the affair as a "psychological" phenomenon. That means roughly – because of course we're still learning –  that the answer to the mystery underlying the Madeleine McCann Affair – as against the mystery of the child's fate itself – lies in the much deeper mystery of the way ordinary people perceive and behave. In this case that means the way that the great majority of the  public reacted to the news that they read and accepted at the beginning, and  not in any Sheepgate machinations of individuals, be they Brooks, Brown, Mitchell or Murdoch, all of whom, it now appears, were following that public mood, not creating it.

As we've suggested before, however unpalatable it is to accept, nobody but the  people created the invulnerability of the McCanns, just as nobody but the people created the flower-strewn martyrdom of Princess Diana. As in that sad case a large section of the British public – including editors and ministers, who are human beings as well  – spontaneously poured out immeasurable torrents of  emotion, or some as-yet-unidentified variant of emotion, onto the couple, and instead of  scattering flowers,  they followed up by hurling trunk-loads of money that the parents  –  Oh horrible irony – have used against us ever since.

As things stand the broader situation is now extremely hopeful: the interrupted investigation has finally resumed and the absurd media birthday jamboree is unlikely to have had the slightest effect on police activity, despite Redwood's inexperience with the media and  Third Man Mitchell's rather tired gimmicks. In tandem we are watching the gradual destruction of the UK media players who, though they didn't initiate the lies – the McCanns and their Woolfall-taught team did that –  treated  us as mere counters in the various Great Games they were playing at our expense. Even the Portuguese, with more excuse than most to fear a whitewash, must have had some of their fears alleviated recently  as the legal system has ground on, slowly but finely.

But if we're really interested in where the truth lies  we should surely be cautious in pinning the blame for the origins of the affair on such easy targets as M/S Brooks or her senile employer. Time has brought  the shadowy Master Manipulators of the Universe, one by one, starting with Gordon Brown, into the light, revealing them – disappointingly? – as rich but otherwise very ordinary people without the power to protect even their own reputations, let alone those of others. The Bureau could, of course, be completely wrong  but we still think it does no harm to consider the role of  the British public – Us –  in making the McCanns  so invulnerable.

Temporarily.

 

 

 


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Old 22-05-2012, 11:50 PM   #105
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Absolutely superb post! Thank you for spelling it out for the newbies.

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DEY DO DOUGH DON'T DEY DOUGH!

("Grieving" donator??? A day or three after his daughter went AWOL ... Says it all, end of)

Gerry McCann is happy - YouTube
Is this seriously within a few days of the abduction?Why havent I seen this before anywhere?This just gets odder and odder................
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Look at fuckface Gerrys face at 1.50,he actually finds it amusing.
re Gerry, sociopathic is bang on the money, he comes across as a despicably cold human being.,

The only hope we have is that one of the Tapas swingers splits up with a new partner and they dish the dirt or secretlytape them or something.

I have never met a single person who believes they are not the culprits..

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Is this seriously within a few days of the abduction?Why havent I seen this before anywhere?This just gets odder and odder................
Yes from memory it was six days after the faked abduction. He was joking apparently with fellow leics masons, oops, I mean cops.

Do some digging on his holiday reading materials.

A specific novel about a child murder and cover up.

Unobtainacke CEOPS training manuals about hiding dead bodies

Body language

Polygraph machines

That sort of thing.

Nothing to see here, move along now!





Very peculiar reading, hey???!

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Look at fuckface Gerrys face at 1.50,he actually finds it amusing.
re Gerry, sociopathic is bang on the money, he comes across as a despicably cold human being.,

The only hope we have is that one of the Tapas swingers splits up with a new partner and they dish the dirt or secretlytape them or something.

I have never met a single person who believes they are not the culprits..


High fives m8!

I could not agree more.

Sooner or later someone will crack and the worms will be left wriggling.
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The Portimao cops looked really hard for ALL the evidence. Their 8x10 glossy photos and 50,000 pages say it all. Or so they'd have you believe.

Only noone thought to check out the recordings from this beach cam. Did they?

In 2007 this cam was operational 24hs a day. That means even at 4:00am on the morning of the 4th of May this camera was recordring EVERYTHING and EVERYONE who moved or made their way across the beach.

The camera position is moved from season to season sometimes from day to day. If you can go check out the 2007 sightlines for this cam - you will be shocked - not only by the range and width but by the amazing clarity of the field of view.

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The Portimao cops looked really hard for ALL the evidence. Their 8x10 glossy photos and 50,000 pages say it all. Or so they'd have you believe.

Only noone thought to check out the recordings from this beach cam. Did they?

In 2007 this cam was operational 24hs a day. That means even at 4:00am on the morning of the 4th of May this camera was recordring EVERYTHING and EVERYONE who moved or made their way across the beach.

The camera position is moved from season to season sometimes from day to day. If you can go check out the 2007 sightlines for this cam - you will be shocked - not only by the range and width but by the amazing clarity of the field of view.
How truly "shocking" TTW4. Keep up the information tsunami m8!!!

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You don't accidentally overmedicate a child with a drug that is used purely to make them sleep soundly so that you can drink alcohol with your friends.

This was premeditated use of a sleeping drug if this is the case and they deserve to be struck off.

You don't medicate a child with anything and leave it unattended for any amount of time. The child could vomit in their sleep - as doctors they should know this better than anyone else.

You certainly don't medicate 3 small children and leave them all unattended.

If you overmedicate your child on holiday I should hope the first thing you do is call an ambulance.

If you overmedicate them and didn't realise and leave the room and are a doctor - you should be struck off.

Accidental medication? Medication for what purpose?
A sick child needs constant supervision.
A sleepless child needs constant supervision.

You are already breaking the law by
1. Medicating a child that isn't ill
2. Medicating a child and leaving it unattended
3. Leaving 3 kids unattended

This is no accident - this is a pattern over the whole holiday that they left their kids and maybe medicated them each night.
If the dose was upped because the neighbour complained that is even worse.

The answer is that if you are a doctor you don't medicate kids for no reason, you don't leave sick kids and if you cause a death you tell the authorities what happened and would have family and friends to back your story up.

If you are a criminal you would cover it up - you would care only about yourself and you wouldn't care that you destroyed your wife, children and friends lives in the process.Devil's advocate or not - this is a fail!
I know, i agree with most of your post. I just tried to imagine a scenario were a situation could of snowballed until it went to far to go back.

I realise they shouldnt of 'medicated' the kids i guess its something they have always done, and they of all people should know the risks.
and i do think your right, it was to keep them quiet due to the previous nights.

Why would they 'call an ambulance'???? They are doctors they know DEAD.

Dont agree with the last paragraph thoe, They are now back to a 'normal' life and nobodies life has been ruined (looking from the outside) Were as if they had held there hands up they would still be in a portuguese prison, with there kids in social care etc etc

Iam not defending them, just trying to look at it as a parent. Even in the best scenario it would take the mind of a psychopath to carry it out.

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Sad to say I can only 100% agree with the opinion of the last quoted poster.

It was a criminal act.

Gerald McCann still practices medicine both privately and in an NHS hospital.

The actions of Kate Healy - as sacrificial lamb - announced to the world she will never work again in the NHS.
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I know, mine are NEVER out of my sight, better safe than to be very sorry. And iam sure they are very very sorry,

A little part of me wants to believe WHATEVER they did, they did it for LOVE and Not a belgian pedo gang or what ever the latest 'guess' is.
I don't know what you mean by 'for LOVE', would you like to elaborate?

You don't have to.
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Can i just ask, if you were a doctor and you had 3 children and you ACCIDENTLY over medicated 1 of them and found them dead when you returned would you.......

1) Own up, get struck off the medical register get your other 2 children PUT INTO CARE and get jailed for 3 - 4 years (in a foriegn prison). Ruining 5 lives of everybody you love.

Or

2) Make up an elaborate abduction story, Heartbreaking, cold , callus Yes defanatly but your still there for your remaining Kids??

THERE ISNT A PARENT ON HERE THAT WOULD ANSWER NUMBER 1, I dont think there are many who would be cold enuf to see it through thoe.

bit simplistic but i think they are happy to answer to god. noone else.
Sorry i mean what happened after the 'accident'

For love of there remaining children, wanting to be there for them,not wanting them to grow up in social care and all that entails

Just tired of the 'they sold her to pedo's' etc etc If you look at the evidence (the truth of the lie etc etc) There was some sort of accident. IF you could keep a calm head at a time like that, the abuction 'story' would be your only rational choice for your family and future??

Maybe they are great parents (ok thats over stating it!!) and they have shown the courage of lions for there remaining brood????

If they are devoit cathlics maybe they thnought fuck it no mortal man can judge us, let the big man in the sky judge when the time comes?

What you think??

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Tell you what I think.



I think Mitchell really should be a better liar.

That's what I think.
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I think Mitchell really should be a better liar.

That's what I think.
Yeah guilty of what thoe? Murder?? kidnap?? or a MISTAKE? Oh what a tangled web we weave etc

A lot of peeps dont like Gerry cause of his arrogant 'attitude' but this can be explained, hes Scottish and hes a doctor, end of.

After all the vitriol these 2 have recieved, it must be hard for people to accept the truth. They made a mistake, due to there years of training they dealt with it in a cool clinical manner(they are doctors)

THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. No one can deny that.
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well its getting closer to that reveal stage me thinks..

After all this time it is strange how the msm have now all of a sudden brought up ben needham.. In a madeline style article with pictures..


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Did missing toddler Ben Needham die in tragic accident after all? Greek police fear body of boy who vanished 21 years ago may be hidden under building site rubble

Greek police decided to officially reopen the decades-old cold case after a JCB driver claimed he had been digging just 50 yards away from where the boy was last seen.
21 years later they have a jcb driver who was 50 yards away digging and they didnt think to look? and he only came forward now?:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vsCJz6H8
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Were are all Psychic; that intuition, that gut feeling that pretty much everyone has about this case is all the answer I need. You know "That the McCanns are knee deep in this one." Something went down, be it an accident, murder or abduction (Selling of a child? Given away for ritual reasons or many other depraved unimaginable nastiness.) But the resounding thought is They know more than they are letting on.

As for Achora, I have never met the guy so I can't speak for him...However. I have worked as a Stagehand for 10 years (before being made redundant in a mass culling of our department; along with everyone else who didn't have a funny handshake...How strange.)

And back in 2002/2003 I worked on a show called 6ixth Sense; with Colin Fry which was filmed for LivingTV; and I have to say pretty much everything on that show was staged. The proof of this was seeing Audience members in the Make-Up department before the show started, the same Audience members who he contacted. About 70% of that show used these plants.

The other 30% came from the overhead audience microphones that were switched on as the audience came in and then sat down waiting for the show to start; all of them chatting away about lost loved ones for a good 30mins before the show started, which linked directly to the control room...To this day this experience leads me to belive that those healers/Psychics who want money/fame are fakers or abusers of what little spiritual/Oneness power they have.
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Were are all Psychic; that intuition, that gut feeling that pretty much everyone has about this case is all the answer I need. You know "That the McCanns are knee deep in this one." Something went down, be it an accident, murder or abduction (Selling of a child? Given away for ritual reasons or many other depraved unimaginable nastiness.) But the resounding thought is They know more than they are letting on.

As for Achora, I have never met the guy so I can't speak for him...However. I have worked as a Stagehand for 10 years (before being made redundant in a mass culling of our department; along with everyone else who didn't have a funny handshake...How strange.)

And back in 2002/2003 I worked on a show called 6ixth Sense; with Colin Fry which was filmed for LivingTV; and I have to say pretty much everything on that show was staged. The proof of this was seeing Audience members in the Make-Up department before the show started, the same Audience members who he contacted. About 70% of that show used these plants.

The other 30% came from the overhead audience microphones that were switched on as the audience came in and then sat down waiting for the show to start; all of them chatting away about lost loved ones for a good 30mins before the show started, which linked directly to the control room...To this day this experience leads me to belive that those healers/Psychics who want money/fame are fakers or abusers of what little spiritual/Oneness power they have.
Have to agree 100% They know what happened, On there head be it.

Went to see Colin Fry at the Palace many moon ago with an ex.
Just seemed the crowd was made up of different people all grieving, it was very sad. All looking for answers. Its easier to be manipulated when your in pain i guess?
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Yeah guilty of what thoe? Murder?? kidnap?? or a MISTAKE? Oh what a tangled web we weave etc

A lot of peeps dont like Gerry cause of his arrogant 'attitude' but this can be explained, hes Scottish and hes a doctor, end of.

After all the vitriol these 2 have recieved, it must be hard for people to accept the truth. They made a mistake, due to there years of training they dealt with it in a cool clinical manner(they are doctors)

THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. No one can deny that.
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