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Old 13-04-2017, 02:26 PM   #21
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get your hands on as much dead sea scroll literature as you can. you'll see jesus in a different light then...

those writings are contemporary to his time. everything else may just be fiction. everything else certainly came well after the facts.
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Got any good links that show your explanation of Solomons name?

Here is a more realistic explanation: http://www.behindthename.com/name/solomon

"Meaning & History
From the Hebrew name ???????? (Shelomoh) which was derived from Hebrew ??????? (shalom) "peace". As told in the Old Testament, Solomon was a king of Israel, the son of David and Bathsheba. He was renowned for his wisdom and wealth. Towards the end of his reign he angered God by turning to idolatry.

Supposedly, he was the author of the Book of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon.

This name has never been overly common in the Christian world, and it is considered typically Jewish. It was however borne by an 11th-century Hungarian king. "

Where do your ideas come from as you come up with some nonsense?
Not nonsense and many years before Hebrew in Ammonia.

Look into Solonion law and their committee or council of the four hundred.

All honed their political skills in Alexandria.

Solon-Solomon.

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Old 13-04-2017, 06:35 PM   #23
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get your hands on as much dead sea scroll literature as you can. you'll see jesus in a different light then...

those writings are contemporary to his time. everything else may just be fiction. everything else certainly came well after the facts.
Jesus was a magician.
https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=218

He changed water to wine (alchemy)
He spoke with dead (medium)
He walked on the water etc...
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Old 13-04-2017, 07:03 PM   #24
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Jesus was a magician.
https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost...&postcount=218

He changed water to wine (alchemy)
He spoke with dead (medium)
He walked on the water etc...
But even those miracles could just be metaphorical:

Water to wine could be taking a basic teaching and imbuing it with deep spiritual significance

Bringing the dead to life could be the reanimation of forgotten areas of consciousness

Walking on water could be moving across the deeper spiritual consciousness.
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Old 13-04-2017, 07:12 PM   #25
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But even those miracles could just be metaphorical:

Water to wine could be taking a basic teaching and imbuing it with deep spiritual significance

Bringing the dead to life could be the reanimation of forgotten areas of consciousness

Walking on water could be moving across the deeper spiritual consciousness.
All of those things sound so bizarre they could be true JM4

They can however still be explained using the allegory on the theme that has and still exists in nature for millenia.

The rain and shine turning grapes to water as the grape gatherer herself appears in the sky just before the sun rises at the cornucopia.

Bringing the dead of winter back to life after the 22 Mar into the land of milk and honey.

Walking or riding in his chariot of fire to the top of the mountain on 21 June.

The new consciousness is yet another religion, while the old natural one casts no shadows of its own and carries on if nothing ever changed, and why or how could it, lest we all suffer thereafter.

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Old 13-04-2017, 07:25 PM   #26
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But even those miracles could just be metaphorical:

Water to wine could be taking a basic teaching and imbuing it with deep spiritual significance

Bringing the dead to life could be the reanimation of forgotten areas of consciousness

Walking on water could be moving across the deeper spiritual consciousness.
We don't know if it's metaphorical or not. The fact is there are people e.g. shamans who can bring back dead.

Then why the cup refers Jesus as magician?
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Studies on the Greek Oracle's found that the Magi or who were the priests of Apollo used ancient caves to perform their magical tricks.

In these caves at certain times was sulphurous gases which rose slightly above the floor, they would enter the between the worlds staying low in order to breath the air which sank to the cave floor and emerge untainted or slightly high as they say.

Here is a small abstract of what they used to create so called magic where the locals knew that animals that entered these cave never came back out afterwards and we're thought to have been snatched into the underworld.

http://www.academia.edu/1072768/Cave..._Greek_Oracles

Time and Mind
Volume 2—Issue 3—November 2009, pp. 265–286
Time?and?Mind:?The?Journal?of? Archaeology,?Consciousness??and?Culture
Volume?2—Issue?3November?2009pp.?265–286
DOI:?
10.2752/175169609X12464529903092
Reprints available directly from the publishersPhotocopying permitted by license only © Berg 2009
Cave?Experiences?and? Ancient?Greek?Oracles
Yulia?Ustinova
Yulia Ustinova is an Associate Professor at the Department of General History, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel.Her research focuses on ancient Greek religion and makesuse of a multidisciplinary approach based on the applicationof results of neuroscience, anthropology, and sociology to the interpretation of historical phenomena. Among her publications are articles on various aspects of religion andculture in the Mediterranean area, and two books:
TheSupreme Gods of the Bosporan Kingdom: Celestial Aphroditeand the Most High God
(Brill, 1999) and
Caves and the Ancient Greek Mind: Descending Underground in the Search for UltimateTruth
(Oxford University Press, 2009). [email protected]
Abstract
A great number of Greek oracular cults focused on caves,notwithstanding the divergent nature of the divine patronsof these cults. The fundamental reason for locatingprophetic activities in caves was the need of the gods’mediums to attain divine inspiration, that is, to alter theirstate of consciousness. For the purposes of divinationthe Greeks used at least two methods. The easiest anduniversally practiced technique was sensory deprivation.Modern research demonstrates that reduction of externalstimuli leads to dream-like states, involving release of internal imagery. In the geographic setting of Greece,caverns and grottos provide an easy way to achievetotal or near-total isolation. The second technique wasbased on special geological conditions, namely, a sourceof poisonous gas having euphoriant or psychotropiceffect. The psychotropic or, in the opinion of the Greeks,numinous quality of the caves was common knowledge tosuch a degree that the association of seers and prophetswith caves became universal.
Key words
: caves, altered states of consciousness,sensory deprivation, ancient Greece, oracles

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Cave Experiences and Ancient Greek Oracles Yulia Ustinova
Time and Mind
Volume 2—Issue 3—November 2009, pp. 265–286
Introduction
1
In contrast to tradition in many other cultures, oracles, and especially oraclesdirectly inspired by the gods, played anextremely important role in ancientGreek religion and culture. The will of theimmortals was announced to the mortalseither in established sanctuaries, by membersof temple personnel, or simply by laymenwho believed they were in direct contactwith the gods (Vernant 1974; Rosenberger 2001; Burkert 2005).The sheer number of oracles known to be focused on caves is no less thanastonishing. Of the forty centers marked by V. Rosenberger on his map of the importantGreek oracles (Rosenberger 2001: 214–15),natural and arti?cial grottos played acrucial role in the vatic practices of eleven(those at Delphi, Lebadeia, Ptoion, Oropus,Aegira, Bura, Olympia, Lycosoura, Delos,Hierapolis, and Claros). With the additionof less famous oracular grottos, this number increases considerably. Entering cavesregularly occurs as a major requirement for a prophetic séance, both in established cultsand in the activities of individual seers.There must be an important reasonfor locating prophetic activities in caves. Isuggest that it was the need of the gods’mediums to attain divine inspiration, that is, to alter their state of consciousness. Thequest for the ultimate truth is the kernelof inspired prophecy. For the Greeks, itsknowledge belonged to the gods alone,and could not be perceived by the limitedhuman mind, held back by mundane thoughts(Plato,
Phaedo
66 DE; Snell 1960: 136; Starr 1968: 349, 351). To share in the immortals’knowledge, one had to liberate the soulfrom the burden of the mortal body by becoming
entheos
, “having the god insidehim- or herself”: the seer or prophetserved as mediums, conveying superhumanknowledge by means of their bodies. In thegrip of the god, the medium could display a wide range of abnormal behavior, frommere detachment and aloofness to violentparoxysms. These mental states, which today would be referred to as “alteredstates of consciousness” or “non-ordinary consciousness” were
enthousiasmos
(divinepossession) or
mania
(madness, frenzy)for the Greeks (Plato
Timaeus
71 E–72 B;
Phaedrus
244AB; Delatte 1934: 5; Motte2004: 247–52; Dodds 1973: 64–101). Whatever was perceived or uttered in these states, prophecy, poetry, or mysticalinsights, was considered to be inspiredby the gods and immeasurably superior to anything deliberated by the senses insobriety (Cornford 1952: 88–106; Chadwick 1942; Vernant 1974: 12–13; Murray 1981).In modern words, attaining altered statesof consciousness was a socially approvedand admired way of arriving at visions,which were very different from any thoughts produced by the normal wakingconsciousness and interpreted encounterswith ultimate divine reality.This article demonstrates that oneof the most common techniques of attaining prophetic revelations in Greecewas a sojourn in an isolated chamber or grotto. The fundamental reason for thepredilection for such places in the questof divine truth was that they provided anenvironment where consciousness could bemanipulated with least dif?culty. The easiestand universally practiced technique wassensory deprivation. The second techniquewas based on special geological conditions,


Yulia Ustinova Cave Experiences and Ancient Greek Oracles
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namely, a source of poisonous gas havingeuphoriant or psychotropic effect.

Caves and Sensory Deprivation
Caves humble and overwhelm human beings(Devereux 2000: 87–96). His rationality notwithstanding, Seneca succumbed to thenuminosity of a huge cavern: “When a cavesupports a mountain on rocks deeply erodedfrom within, not made by human hand, butexcavated to such size by natural causes, your soul is seized by a religious apprehension”(
Epistulae
4.41.3).Cave experiences are many-sided.Caves are sometimes dif?cult to get to;entering a cave means crossing the border between the worlds of the familiar and theunknown, a very signi?cant action bringingabout discomfort, fear, and even trueclaustrophobia (Whitehouse 2001; Roux1999: 320–1). Disorientation and diminishedvision, as well as changes in olfactory andauditory perception, make even a shortstay in a deep cave very different from the routine experience of most people,notwithstanding their cultural and socialdiversity. Ridden by fear, people who enter caves even for a short time may losecontrol of their actions and feelings, justas it happened in the Marabar Caves to the characters of E.M. Foster’s
A Passage toIndia.
Deep caves are pitch black and almostentirely sound-proof. When modern guidesleading cave tours switch off electricity, and the visitors ?nd themselves in absolutedarkness, with only the gentle plop of distantdrops of water or ?utter of bat wingsbreaking the complete silence, even thosewith strong nerves grow tense. Now letus imagine a mystic, shaman, or visionary voluntarily entering a cave, perhaps after afast, and staying there alone for some time.In a deep cave, under conditions of almost total suppression of sensory input,our mind enters a state of severe “stimulushunger,” and the subjective self emergesforcefully (Solomon 1965; Zubek 1969;Austin 1998: 102–4; La Barre 1980: 39; Wulff 1997: 76; West 1975: 300; Martindale1981: 316; Geels 1982; 44; Siikala 1982:105; Merkur 1985: 172; Joseph 2003: 9).Cavers and geologists who specialize in thestudy of caves report visual and auditory hallucinations, especially after remainingunderground for long periods (Clottes 2004). When awake, the human mind needs to be occupied permanently. Eliminationof external stimuli forces the mind toconcentrate within itself, and brings aboutintensive discharge of inner imagery.

This condition is known as sensory deprivation.Normal people participating in laboratory tests, when placed in dark sound-proof spaces, start to hallucinate after a few hours,experience the sensation of ?oating, or press the “panic button” to be let out (Suedfeld1969; Kubie 1965; Vernon et al. 1965;Freedman et al. 1965; Martindale 1981: 99,255; Winkelman 2000: 149; Austin 1998: 102).In an autobiographic account of experimentswith solitude-isolation tanks, physician andpsychoanalyst J.C. Lilly describes his own“dreamlike states, trancelike states, mysticalstates,” which comprised encounters withcelestial teachers and divine guardians (Lilly 1972: 40, 42).Sensory deprivation is one of thecommon techniques of inducing alteredstates of consciousness. They can beattained by different methods, and involvedifferent experiences, but they share a

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Old 14-04-2017, 11:39 AM   #28
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We don't know if it's metaphorical or not. The fact is there are people e.g. shamans who can bring back dead.

Then why the cup refers Jesus as magician?
I dont disagree with the possibility but I do also loook at possible alternative too, or see things on another level.
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I refuse to participate in a thread where everyone is responding to everyone except myself. Own up to what you have done.
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I want to try to help anyone suffering from night terrors, and Djinn harassment, or anyone curious about trying to use 3rd eye, or stop thinking, or experience out of body experience. The 3rd eye is how Djinn "remote desktop" humans. I believe, based on working theories and decyphering television and popular culture/history, that our reality is a program. I speculate, based on how the djinn operate, that humans may have programmed this computer/artificial intelligence system, as it seems to be hardwired/killswitch conditioned that they cannot cause a human suffering without their consent. If they make a contract with a human, they no longer require consent.

You have to invite the Demons/Djinn/Angels, before they can contact you. You can summon the djinn, inadvertantly, by repeating rhyming words from your television programming. The programming indicates that we as humans cast spells with words when we ryme them, like verbal voice commands while in simulation. You wear Nike, sing songs by mainstream artists, and you may be visited by a djinn. The endgame for all dealings with Djinn, they want to acquire legal posession of your soul to be used as fuel for the stars. They play good co, bad cop and everything in between to achieve this. I can explain a lot more, but the main thing Id like to emphasize is that if you tell them to leave, they have to leave. If you make a contract with them things WILL get worse. Dont invite them, dont activate 3rd eye or experiment with "how to stop thinking" videos etc... without doing massive research.

Closing note, some people invoke the name of Jesus to scare demons away, and it works, not because Jesus is holy (he may have had a Djinn for all we know) but because crying out for help is a withdrawal of consent. And Djinn must obey human commands. Dont make it a tough guy thing, like flexing on them just withdraw consent and make it verbally clear that djinn, demons angels spirits etc are not welcome. Taking it a step further, compose and verbally state ryhming words that ban the Djin from your home, your person and your family. I dont know how it works, I just know I dont want to ever deal with the djinn.
Thank you for your advice.
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It doesn't seem relevant to me that a rebellious being would be concerned about consent. There is a Satanic cult infiltrating the matrix with ideas about "consent" and "self-manifestation" to scapegoat victims and stun justice. Consent would not be a word if everything in life were consensual.

It is a form of blasphemy to equate paradigms with God; that is to say that everything is true and just because God is True & Just and God is Everything. Yet when you are speaking of lower internal matters, they are not Everything; they are only a part. And thus unconsensual experiences, unjust, and untrue illusions do exist.

It is a wicked thing to create entrapping and destructive illusions on purpose, or to disregard their affect on sentient beings from the perspective of God when you are but a man.
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I refuse to participate in a thread where everyone is responding to everyone except myself. Own up to what you have done.
I don't believe anything (best way to keep things sane). I thought you're above post was as good as any on the thread.
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I haven't been on the forums much lately (busy working, and the forums have slowed down... not much interesting new stuff) I decided to pop into the new members forum and this was the first thread I checked out. Thank you! Even though it spun off course, at least it's interesting.
My friend has major issues at night. Those of us who have heard it describe it as "speaking in tounges" and "night terrors" . It gets really freaky!
Anyway, is anyone familiar with the idea that the name christ is from the word krystal? Like crystal... crystaline knowledge. I am now into general sprituality, but I also like to think of christ as a teacher... and I like his advice.
Peace out, love, and love yourself (by the way life's a bitch... having such a hard time right now... thanks for the distraction)
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