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Old 02-05-2014, 01:40 AM   #21
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PS One of the good things that this last stretch of awakening has done is that I have stopped running around in circles with WTF are they thinking. For example I have been banging on for years about all the ideas for free energy and I couldn’t work out why they wanted to trash other countries on some pathetic pretext to get gas and oil. There were a lot of other things I didn’t understand and I was always left puzzled and angry. Now I don’t buy into their fear campaigns any more or spend ages trying to figure out what they are up to. Mostly if I am even bothered I can see their agenda and lies very quickly.
So now I know what the deal is and I don’t do WTF anymore. This has saved me a lot of energy which I am now putting into pulling myself up. I don’t buy into their fear campaigns any more.
I still want to go home but I am here and must do my best.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:26 AM   #22
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My awakening has made me realise my entire family won't make it when things really turn bad.
Hi, I love this thread and will post my own thoughts later. In the meantime, re craig's post, does this mean that only awakened people make it? What about other good people who aren't awake - I would love to have some hope for them, as it wasn't their fault we have all been brainwashed. Thanks.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:32 AM   #23
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Hi elenita

It is my understanding that if you don't 'make it' then you have to come back to try again.
Mind you waking up is not just waking up to the vast amount of lies and deception that is happening in this world. That is just the first veil that you have to get through. This Neil Kramer talk will help to explain it.
http://youtu.be/1afhJ9i2Qnk
It is now my personal understanding that you have to go through this in order to get to the next step in the unfolding. As I can see now you have to see things in this world for what they are so you can walk away from them and not give them your energy as this is best spent in getting you through to your full awakening.
Adyashanti, among others, speak of the energy which is needed in order to do this.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:46 PM   #24
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The way i see it, if you are not generally a happy person when you die, you end up on a lower dimension, according to your vibration. Happiness is the key here, not awakening: which sometimes seems to make people more angry and depressed.

What better tool to use to get us to come back? "i'm going back to save the world!"
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:12 PM   #25
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It has been my understanding that though being happy will raise your level of vibration it does not mean that you are out of here for good. I have been happy for periods in my life but I was still asleep. Now that I am awake I find myself in an insane asylum and being happy does not come easy. But there is some way forward but I haven't found it yet. Nature is the key to it.
Anyway this is what I have read. Adyashanti has written a few books on his full self realization and he said when he woke up that he thought this place was crazy. He does seem like a very joyful person now but he went through a lot to get there.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:41 PM   #26
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If being 'awake' makes people miserable then being 'awake' as described on DIF by 'awakened' sad and dissatisfied gloom mongers is not necessarily the same thing as enlightenment.
That whole..
" I am awake... They are sheeple' nonsense is either angry dualistic BS or symptomatic of narcissism, depression or a combination of those two.

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Old 02-05-2014, 04:21 PM   #27
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If being 'awake' makes people miserable then being 'awake' as described on DIF by 'awakened' sad and dissatisfied gloom mongers is not necessarily the same thing as enlightenment.
That whole..
" I am awake... They are sheeple' nonsense is either angry dualistic BS or symptomatic of narcissism, depression or a combination of those two.
Who said it was?.

If your experience of awakening is/was a happy jolly time for all, then you have no idea what other folks go through, so get off the high horse.
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Old 02-05-2014, 04:22 PM   #28
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I rest my case.
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Old 02-05-2014, 04:32 PM   #29
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I rest my case.
No, I got to a state of equilibrium. So I'm non too gloomy. But I went through hell to get there, and I still bear the scars, deep scars, and I'll try to help others with the depth of that knowledge rather than dismiss them, a negative trait if ever there was one.. You know not of what you speak.
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Old 02-05-2014, 04:34 PM   #30
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Aye, belief is a comfort and no mistake.
You be lucky with that magnanimity stuff bro.
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Old 02-05-2014, 04:39 PM   #31
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Aye, belief is a comfort and no mistake.
You be lucky with that magnanimity stuff bro.
No beliefs here, so no comfort in that.

I thought enlightenment was supposed to have something to do with compassion.

P.S aren't you the guy that's always cheering on Steppewar's doom porn?.

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Old 02-05-2014, 05:02 PM   #32
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Hi, I love this thread and will post my own thoughts later. In the meantime, re craig's post, does this mean that only awakened people make it? What about other good people who aren't awake - I would love to have some hope for them, as it wasn't their fault we have all been brainwashed. Thanks.
Yes, only the awakened will make it. I asked my mother what she would do when its all over. The ignorant woman said "I'll be going to work"!

I just had to laugh, as I told her that the place she works will be destroyed in the chaos (a hospital).
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:19 PM   #33
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If being 'awake' makes people miserable then being 'awake' as described on DIF by 'awakened' sad and dissatisfied gloom mongers is not necessarily the same thing as enlightenment.
That whole..
" I am awake... They are sheeple' nonsense is either angry dualistic BS or symptomatic of narcissism, depression or a combination of those two.

I know about my "enlightment"...what about yours ... i think you call it or him " LUCIFER" right...and not fo th epagan sort....the antithesis to christ...
sorry...
i don't think you have understood anything...you and your apron wearing friends...
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:19 PM   #34
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I rest my case.
as is a Free mason's life deary!
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:50 AM   #35
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"No, I got to a state of equilibrium. So I'm non too gloomy. But I went through hell to get there, and I still bear the scars, deep scars, and I'll try to help others with the depth of that knowledge rather than dismiss them, a negative trait if ever there was one.. You know not of what you speak."

Hi white light
In coming to that place of equilibrium what did you find that helped if anything? I know everyone who goes that last distance has to find their own way and each path is very different.
My world has well and truly crumbled and I don't intend to put it back into another construct or any other matrix. So I am in no man's land or the dark night of the soul. I know that no spiritual platitudes or techniques will help now.
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:19 AM   #36
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This thread has quickly transformed into a near slanging match. I wonder if this is another aspect of the awakening's negative side.

Or is it a case of "here comes the internet!"
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:20 PM   #37
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"No, I got to a state of equilibrium. So I'm non too gloomy. But I went through hell to get there, and I still bear the scars, deep scars, and I'll try to help others with the depth of that knowledge rather than dismiss them, a negative trait if ever there was one.. You know not of what you speak."

Hi white light
In coming to that place of equilibrium what did you find that helped if anything? I know everyone who goes that last distance has to find their own way and each path is very different.
My world has well and truly crumbled and I don't intend to put it back into another construct or any other matrix. So I am in no man's land or the dark night of the soul. I know that no spiritual platitudes or techniques will help now.
Rebecca
Hi Rebecca,

Well, the equilibrium itself is a sort of no-man's land, a limbo. I can seemingly only inch forward spiritually now and/or let my ego take excursions into the matrix. The good thing is that I can always pull it back to centre at any time.

But I still have my mind and I often wonder what role (if any) I have in the great sphere of things. I can't say that I have found any ultimate answers, the old questions got answered but I got lumbered with a new set of questions, most of which there is no point in asking (certainly not on the forum anyway) for answers to.

So what helps?. Knowing that I'm an illusion within an illusion and that the negative stuff isn't really real. I reside in a quieter channel of reality than previously - less excitement, more peace. Knowing that any attacks that seemingly come from outside probably come from within, so it's my responsibility to manage that aspect.

A feeling of controlling ones own destiny, but within limited parameters (at least for now, as I don't push the boat out too much). Hope that I will be less estranged and more intimate with not just people but reality itself at some point along the way, (although that may only happen in another dimension after death, where there are no people as such).

I have no idea why things are the way they are though, or why the world is the way it is. Sometimes I think I don't care, but it's more like accepting that what is - is.

Can't seem to shake that waiting feeling though.

Yes there are no platitudes or techniques from within the matrix that will help see the matrix for what it is. It's impossible to explain it so I won't try. But you can take the positives when you feel them and stick to your guns (so to speak) when you feel the need. Be strong. You can have the whole world against you but it's not separate, so it's not really against you, it's actually helping you, although it can seem very much like the opposite of that. Once again - be strong. Even if your world crumbles, you don't have to. The macrocosm is the microcosm. Anything that is either positive or negative can be flipped by your perception.

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Old 04-05-2014, 02:50 AM   #38
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Hi white light
Thank you for that. I resonated with what you have to say.
The matrix started to crumble for me years ago and I only had remaining a few vague hopes which have now turned to dust. I know intuitively that I cannot remake anything as it would just be a construct so I am sitting with it. At least I have past the anger stage and I can see nothing really can be done about the control system. So I am going into acceptance.
Some close family and friends are frustrated with me and have been for a while as I have become vert quiet and rather withdrawn. I guest that is the nature of the realization I have been through which I am still processing.
Have already seen the illusion of self and the world so I am good with that. That came years ago and was a shock as well.
Yes that feeling of waiting, it is strong in me also. Have no idea what that is about. Maybe some last bit of a remaining hope?
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Blessings
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Old 07-05-2014, 11:09 AM   #39
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The way i see it, if you are not generally a happy person when you die, you end up on a lower dimension, according to your vibration. Happiness is the key here, not awakening: which sometimes seems to make people more angry and depressed.

What better tool to use to get us to come back? "i'm going back to save the world!"
I'm rarely what I would call happy, but I try to be content. I think happy is somewhat illusory as it is maybe an exaggerated emotion, but contentment is real and sort of a toned down form of happiness. Simply being able to feel content with your situation can work wonders. Sometimes I see beauty and wonder in the most simple things.

The heaven or hell thing is I think directly connected to love or fear. If you are full of fears when you die, then maybe you manifest a hellish reality full of fear which in turn creates further fear. If you die with no fears then you cannot manifest a hellish fearful reality. Love is lack of fear, and fear is lack of love. What is love? That's for every individual to discover and it is not what many might think.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friends
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:37 PM   #40
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To me, awakening... is another script, or program.

If you want it, they got it. They got awakening for you, but how do you tell the difference? where is it comming from? whose agenda is it?
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