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Old 10-10-2012, 08:25 PM   #21
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And of course there are different types of love, relationships family love,
love to our children, to our pets, friends, nature, people and things.
Love is real in all these aspects also lonestar.

yes i agree heartbeat.

reminds me of the ending of a great movie called the Shawshank Redemption


real love between two great friends.

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Old 10-10-2012, 08:35 PM   #22
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yes i agree heartbeat.

reminds me of the ending of a great movie called the Shawshank Redemption

Shawshank Redemption Ending - YouTube

real love between two great friends.


Thank you for that video lonestar, I love this movie!
Seen it many times on TV, and wouldn't mind seeing it a couple of more times.
I suppose there is a beautiful friendship between these two men. Seems to be based on a true story but has been made in a romanticized way, very well done.

One can tell, it is dedicated to a friend who probably has passed away, and is still remembered.

That is another kind of love, someone who has parted ,but we still remember in our heart.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:56 PM   #23
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Here is a group I love THE MOODY BLUES, when they played in San Antonio Texas, Interesting songs in this video.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:34 PM   #24
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You must probably have read it lonestar, but here goes what Khalil Gibran says about love in his Classic book The Prophet:

http://www.katsandogz.com/onlove.html


Kahlil Gibran on Love

When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams
as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

Kahlil Gibran
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:26 PM   #25
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Love brings you into alignment with your spirit...... reconnects you with self. Awakens your soul.
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Old 11-10-2012, 03:23 AM   #26
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LOVE, this Lennon song, beautiful lyrics,





Love is real, real is love
Love is feeling, feeling love
Love is wanting to be loved

Love is touch, touch is love
Love is reaching, reaching love
Love is asking to be loved

Love is you
You and me
Love is knowing
We can be

Love is free, free is love
Love is living, living love
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:25 AM   #27
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but thats never been me, so i will share with you some of my experiences that i have learned so far about love, and the biggest fact that i have learned so far is that LOVE IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF FEAR.
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imo most love, is just slave love.
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A lover asked his beloved:

Do you love yourself more than you love me?

Beloved replied:

I've lost all myself.

I have died to myself and I live for you.

I've disappeared from myself and my attributes, I am present only for you.

I've forgotten all my learnings, but from knowing you I've become a scholar.

I've lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.

I love myself...I love you.

I love you...I love myself.


Rumi
What a.. No, no comment.

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Love is freedom. Love is authentic only when it gives Freedom.
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the world is in a constant flux and the proof of your awareness, awakening, or enlightenment can be seen in your current relationship right now.
There you've said it.

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more and more men and women are separating at a time when we need to be coming more together. men and women need each other. but were separating more than ever. i think thats because we dont love ourselves and so we get into relationships to make us happy and feel loved.
Men and women are separating because they've got together in the wrong reasons in the first place.
It was the same 100, or 1000 years ago, but the ability to have the choice to end something based on lies and games changes throughout history of society. Now we just have that possibility.

And yes, without being able to be happy alone, truly alone,
you will not be able to be happy with anyone.
It's all upside down pretty much.

@Lonestar

I'll be getting more into this thread, as soon as I find the time to type a cathar text about Church of love.
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:42 PM   #28
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And yes, without being able to be happy alone, truly alone,
you will not be able to be happy with anyone.
It's all upside down pretty much.

Very true.
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:50 PM   #29
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Men and women are separating because they've got together in the wrong reasons in the first place.
Very true also.
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Old 11-10-2012, 03:02 PM   #30
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@alisa

yes, and get busy loving or get busy dying.

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Old 11-10-2012, 03:06 PM   #31
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What a.. No, no comment.

youre right lighthouse i should have commented on rumi, especially after one of the posters did not feel right about the quote. i blame opas for getting me sidetracked.




A lover asked his beloved,
Do you love yourself more than you love me?
Beloved replied, I have died to myself and I live for you.
I’ve disappeared from myself and my attributes,
I am present only for you.
I’ve forgotten all my learnings,
but from knowing you I’ve become a scholar.
I’ve lost all my strength, but from your power I am able.
I love myself… I love you.
I love you… I love myself.


shit this is not going to be easy....

thanks a lot lighthouse. lol

to me rumi is saying that;

the "beloved" is the universe, the formless void, the ALL.

and the beloved lives within us and was never lost to begin with.

it was our ego that created the illusions that caused it to disappear.

the ALL beloved is infinite, eternal and living, within us right now and forever.

our ego is a dead thing.


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I'll be getting more into this thread, as soon as I find the time to type a cathar text about Church of love

i cant wait!

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@heartbeat and codie.

thank you!
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:23 PM   #33
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yes, and get busy loving or get busy dying.

I don't think love is something you can get. You already are THAT.

Something may be blocking it, but it is already there.

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Old 11-10-2012, 04:40 PM   #34
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@heartbeat and codie.

thank you!
Sure, lonestar.

Here is Friederich Nietzsche's take on love:




“One must learn to love.— This is what happens to us in music: first one has to learn to hear a figure and melody at all, to detect and distinguish it, to isolate it and delimit it as a separate life; then it requires some exertion and good will to tolerate it in spite of its strangeness, to be patient with its appearance and expression, and kindhearted about its oddity:—finally there comes a moment when we are used to it, when we wait for it, when we sense that we should miss it if it were missing: and now it continues to compel and enchant us relentlessly until we have become its humble and enraptured lovers who desire nothing better from the world than it and only it.

But that is what happens to us not only in music: that is how we have learned to love all things that we now love. In the end we are always rewarded for our good will, our patience, fairmindedness, and gentleness with what is strange; gradually, it sheds its veil and turns out to be a new and indescribable beauty:—that is its thanks for our hospitality. Even those who love themselves will have learned it in this way: for there is no other way. Love, too, has to be learned.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:07 PM   #35
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That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil.--Nietzsche
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i blame opas for getting me sidetracked.
LoL!!

Keeping within the spirit of this whole true love thingy, I would like to offer some words which may upset the apple cart a wee bit, but that is not the intention here. The intention is to expand and possibly broaden a quite narrow view of something which encompasses all and everything within, and as, it's impersonal wholeness.

So here we go:~

'True love' may be way way out and beyond any idea or understanding we try and squeeze into language.

And it is for this very reason that the concept of true love actually includes it's apparent and seemingly opposite of hate and fear.

In orther words; true love is everything and nothing, all at once, otherwise it would not be.

Ofcourse there's nothing wrong at all by trying to seek out only one exclusive and apparent side to all that is, no.

But any denial of the whole and complete picture, whilst trying to attain an exclusiveness in and towards life, will simply result in the fluffy spiritdual love movement we see as so so popular these days.

I am that, you are that, and that's that.

Loveliness to all.

And all to loveliness.

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That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil.--NIetzsche
Exactly!

Beyond right doings and wrong doings, there is a field...I'll meet you there.

Rumi


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I wanna take this opportunity to thank lonestar for a great thread which has brought together many different posters with differing opinions into a unity of loveliness.

Namaste Brother!

{Waves of love rush up and down opas' body, bursting out into the unknown and back again.**

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Selbstverständlich.



@Lonestar

Still out, I hope that I will soon get to this.
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http://www.livereal.com/relationship...ishnamurti.htm
J. Krishnamurti on Love


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Surely, to know love, truth, God, there must be no opinions, no beliefs, no speculations with regard to it. If you have an opinion about a fact, the opinion becomes important, not the fact. If you want to know the truth or the falseness of the fact, then you must not live in the word, in the intellect. You may have a lot of knowledge, information, about the fact, but the actual fact is entirely different. Put away the book, the description, the tradition, the authority, and take the journey of self-discovery. Love, and don't be caught in opinions and ideas about what love is or should be. When you love, everything will come right. Love has its own action. Love, and you will know the blessings of it. Keep away from the authority who tells you what love is and what it is not. No authority knows; and he who knows cannot tell. Love, and there is understanding.

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