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Old 17-10-2010, 11:57 AM   #41
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my problem is this...and i can't say it any clearer

the law of attraction works around beliefs

i have a belief that money is used to enslave humanity. and in it's current paradigm it, is...you cannot deny how the federal reserve and the money system works...it controls the good and services we deal with and the value of money fluctuates based on how much is in circulation

that is my belief, and it's true, that is how the money system works...so what i'm saying is, how can i have that belief AND attract money, as the two seem to be polar opposites...my inherent belief about money repels it from me, by way of resistance...and resistance is the only thing that keeps you from attaining what you want (whether conscious or unconscious...usually unconscious)
The answer is you can't and you won't.

That belief that ' money is used to enslave humanity' is comp[letely
nonsesne.

tell me; at nighttime does all the money in the world come together
and plan to destroy the world.

of course not.

Its just a small group of Elite who are ABUSING and manipulating
this energy because of their fear-based consciousness.

But that's not money's fault - or whatever medium of exchange we
decide to use.

The abuse of Sex is also been used by the Elite in their rituals
to enslave human consciousness.

Do you also have a belief that sex is bad too and you can't have it??

No, because it's NOT sex that is the problem but the deprived, state of consciousness that is abusing the pure energy that is sexual energy.


Remember, your reality is your reality.

You're not responsible for what other people believe, feel and do about
money in their reality.

Stop wasting time trying to control and change other people's realities.

What business is it of yours, anyway!!

In your reality, you can create all the wealth you want and invite in all
the people you want to help you enjoy and experience it.

its your movie. You're free to enjoy it anyway you want.
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Hi Ambler,

Really glad you started this discussion as I have wondered the exact same things.

I think you are closer to what its about ... having read all the post in this thread.

I think the law of attraction works on what you REALLY want.

For those guys on the Secret DVD it WAS and IS about money! (Or at least all the advantages money can bring). But they were attempting to awaken people. That was what they do!

Perhaps you are a deep and wise enough soul to appreciate that money, no matter how much you have of it, is not what you REALLY want, even though a lot of money would be nice.

Perhaps their mission in this lifetime is to create awaken people and as a result money has come, you are here also to create abundance in the same way, by getting closer to the truth, with obviously the next question, which you asked in your first post - and as a result through spreading of real truth, joy, caring, awakening etc. That is worth more than gold!!!

Thus when you do that perhaps the money will come because it will not be som important. You may find the spreading of truth and asking real questions is what makes you happy and money is something that won't make you happy, but will buy you the experiences you want to continue your path in awakening others, as that is what brings you joy.

The question you ask seems like it is at a polarity, I think it is causing you to awaken to your life's purpose - and that is a greater truth than any law of attraction. Your spirit is calling for it to be known to your consciousness.

Fact is people rarely do things for each other these days - they do it for the $$$$.

I think you will really like the movie "La Belle Verte" (The Green Beautiful).

You put your questions together very well ... I think you are battling with good and bad. The spirit in which things are done is what is important and thus if they are not done with the right intention then money is not going to show up in your life ... because yes money is a tool for enslavement, but perhaps that is because we are coming from a place which only wants money to show up in our lives and not create a better world.

They say our thoughts create our reality ... perhaps if we want money to come in to our lives we should be motivated out of doing good. Perhaps the people who run this world attract money because in some way they are doing us a favour ... that being to wake us up to this fact that we are happiest when we are motivated out of doing good. With that perhaps the money shows up in our lives in order to attract the money we need. I hope that paints a picture of two opposites serving the same side.

Money is used to control us so we can walk the path of doing what will help humanity (which is what our spirit really wants - we all love the acknowledgement and praise we get from that) rather than spending the $$$$ on fancy houses and cars. I think this is the case for you - as you are asking the deep questions, but for someone else with lots of money who seems to not have a spiritual bone in their body, perhaps they are serving humanity in a way which seems bad but is really good because it is forcing people like you to awaken and speak your truth.

Just a thought ...
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Old 17-10-2010, 12:09 PM   #43
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good post
With respect, I think your above comment, Ambler symbolizes
why you have problems with money.

Don't you see the contradictions?

zsymon's post is complete nonsense, it's just a reharsh of the old
matrix religious programming - and yet you regard it as true!!

At a deep level you are still accepting all the old religious
programming and brainwashing
that money is bad, evil, 'deviant'
and unspiritual.

You don't seem to be able to distinguish between money as a
medium of exchange and the corrupt money system that
the Elite have put in place.

You need to release this programming because it is our deepest
unconscious belief patterns that select the reality we experience.
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Old 17-10-2010, 12:20 PM   #44
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If you don't believe in it, you certainly won't attract it

Unless you play "the game" of it

(on the basis you know money is illusion but the other apes dont know that)

^^^

Still, that state of consciousness is not really very helpful

It's better to go beyond money, and put one's energy into better things

True, its really not easy not to create a little money, for bills and so on, the question is what we create in the times we are not "working for the man"
You see, I think we have forgotten that, at the end of the day, its all
a game. A giant illusionary movie we're playing out for the enjoyment
of it.

Well, that was the original intention.

but the nightmare is now because we have forgotten this

The world is six billion movies playing out at the same time.

Some are playing the game of making millions. Some playing the
game of making music. Some playing the game of sleeping
with hundreds of women and exploring the ful nature of sexual
energy.

Some are experiencing what its like to blow your brains away on drugs.
Other are playing the game of staying in enlightment while they watch
other run around creating all their realities while thinking they are 'real'

Sadly, the majority have forgotten it is a giant movie where you can
create different realities - they have fallen asleep and they let the Elite
manipulate their minds and thus create their realities FOR THEM.


The game has become a giant nightmare.
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Old 17-10-2010, 12:24 PM   #45
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i even law attraction gurus must know how the money system works...it is pyramid scheme and you cannot have rich without poor...PERIOD, it is not possible, as there would be no such thing as a rich person if everyone was rich. so....
Could you please explain the logic behind that complete nonsense?
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Old 17-10-2010, 03:06 PM   #46
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The law of attraction can be described in two simple phrases, and that is
all it means, nothing more and nothing less.

Focus on negativity, attracts negativity.
Focus on positivity, attracts positivity.

That is all it means, the law of attraction does not create our reality, we're
not responsible for everything that happens in our life. When we focus on
the bad, we will attract the bad, but that "bad" could be nothing more than
a fleeting feeling of depression.. it does not mean you're going to get your
house burglared. If someone breaks into your house it is because the person
used his free will to break into your house, not because you focused on a
bad thought.

The law of attraction is mostly spiritual, rather than physical. By focusing
on negativity, we make ourselves vulnerable to sadness and to negative
thoughts, which can lead to depression and a feeling of emptiness, it does
not lead to losing your job or having a piano fall on you. If you lose your
job then it is because your boss decided to fire you, if a piano falls on your
head then it is because workers were careless securing the piano.

The reason some are rich and most are poor, is because the ruling elite,
which are beings coming from another place in the Universe, who incarnate
as humans, made this civilization as a place of perpetuating harm, poverty
and suffering. It is because they created money, an inherently deviant
concept, to allow them to control and dominate the masses. They decide
who gets to be rich and who gets to be poor.. there is some leeway for
illusionary freedom, but not a lot.

The economic situation on Earth is a result of deception and oppression, it
has nothing to do with the law of attraction. The law of attraction has no
effect on who is rich and who is poor.. on who is born in Africa and who is
born in New York Wallstreet into a family of accountants and bankers.

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Old 17-10-2010, 03:29 PM   #47
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do you talk a lot in real life (off forum) zsymon?
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do you talk a lot in real life (off forum) zsymon?
roflmao!
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People reading this thread would be wise to be very careful what they buy into here; there seem to be alot of false concepts and misunderstandings. "loa" is nothing more than a main component of an operating system within "creation". Its only responsible for doing "its job", not running the whole show -it also only applies to the realm of "creation" and all associated subtle realms, beyond which... well, how to describe allness/no~thingness?? lol
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Old 17-10-2010, 06:51 PM   #50
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The law of attraction can be described in two simple phrases, and that is
all it means, nothing more and nothing less.

Focus on negativity, attracts negativity.
Focus on positivity, attracts positivity.

That is all it means, the law of attraction does not create our reality, we're
not responsible for everything that happens in our life. When we focus on
the bad, we will attract the bad, but that "bad" could be nothing more than
a fleeting feeling of depression.. it does not mean you're going to get your
house burglared. If someone breaks into your house it is because the person
used his free will to break into your house, not because you focused on a
bad thought.

The law of attraction is mostly spiritual, rather than physical. By focusing
on negativity, we make ourselves vulnerable to sadness and to negative
thoughts, which can lead to depression and a feeling of emptiness, it does
not lead to losing your job or having a piano fall on you. If you lose your
job then it is because your boss decided to fire you, if a piano falls on your
head then it is because workers were careless securing the piano.

The reason some are rich and most are poor, is because the ruling elite,
which are beings coming from another place in the Universe, who incarnate
as humans, made this civilization as a place of perpetuating harm, poverty
and suffering. It is because they created money, an inherently deviant
concept, to allow them to control and dominate the masses. They decide
who gets to be rich and who gets to be poor.. there is some leeway for
illusionary freedom, but not a lot.

The economic situation on Earth is a result of deception and oppression, it
has nothing to do with the law of attraction. The law of attraction has no
effect on who is rich and who is poor.. on who is born in Africa and who is
born in New York Wallstreet into a family of accountants and bankers
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Another treatise on complete victimhood

That's is the biggest load of defeatist nonsense I have heard in
a long time.

These Elite CANNOT control you if you do not give your mind to them.

They cannot decide your economic status unless you allow them by
accepting their belief systems


And yet this nonsense is what 90% of the population belive - and
then we wonder why less than 10% of the population control
all the wealth and power on this planet.

.....because 90% of the poulation have brought into nonsense
zsymon talks about.


This is the stuff the Elite have been telling us for centuries through
their man-made religions and materialist sciences.


All the time, they are hypnotising us into this victimhood nonsense
which you have described above.

"Go to sleep....go to sleep.....there is no point trying to do anything....
you are powerless victims . You are not Gods .....you are at the
mercy of all external forces.....like luck, accidents and other
people....

Give up. Give up. Don't you see its all pointless....."

"That's it....go to sleep.........deeper and deeper...... don't listen to
people who tell you that reality is more magical and changable than they
have ever told you.....

"Don't listen to people who tell you you are GOD CONSCIOUSNESS .......
Give up.....give up.....life is just an accident.....you could be born
anyhwere............you are powerless.....powerless...powerless..."

Your ideas, mr. zsymon belong to the last century.

They are the product of all the old fear-based religions....they do
not have much time left....thank God.

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"loa" is nothing more than a main component of an operating system within "creation". Its only responsible for doing "its job", not running the whole show -it also only applies to the realm of "creation" and all associated subtle realms, beyond which... well, how to describe allness/no~thingness??

interesting language synchronicity there.
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People reading this thread would be wise to be very careful what they buy into here; there seem to be alot of false concepts and misunderstandings. "loa" is nothing more than a main component of an operating system within "creation". Its only responsible for doing "its job", not running the whole show -it also only applies to the realm of "creation" and all associated subtle realms, beyond which... well, how to describe allness/no~thingness?? lol
Very true.

but 90% of people on this plane do not even know that the
law of conscious creation is the main operating system on this
frequency dimension ............

The main cause of drink and drugs is that people feel powerless.

That reality is some thing totally independent and EXTERNAL to them
over which they have no say.

This leads to people feeling powerless and helpless and giving up....
and giving away their power.

Exactly as the Elite want it........

it why this knowledge has always been kept secret - or if released,
it has always been ridiculed and mocked.

or diluted where all its power is drained out of it.

Read zsymon's post above

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Old 17-10-2010, 07:20 PM   #53
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Seanx, I never said we were powerless, we are not, all I said is that
the law of attraction is only one part of what shapes our reality, that
not everything that happens to us is because we attracted it through
our conscious or subconscious thoughts.

What we do has a far greater effect on our reality than what we think,
through action we can take back power over our lives and live the way
we want to live. We are not powerless, we can take matters into our
own hands, but not just by wishful thinking, idly hoping that the law of
attraction will take care of things.

If we want changes, we have to act! And that is what the ruling elite
fear most, once people start acting, their time of oppression is over for
good. We can't do it alone though, we have to band together as one.

So please stop accusing me of things I never said.

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Old 17-10-2010, 08:21 PM   #54
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Seanx, I never said we were powerless, we are not, all I said is that
the law of attraction is only one part of what shapes our reality, that
not everything that happens to us is because we attracted it through
our conscious or subconscious thoughts.

What we do has a far greater effect on our reality than what we think,
through action we can take back power over our lives and live the way
we want to live. We are not powerless, we can take matters into our
own hands, but not just by wishful thinking, idly hoping that the law of
attraction will take care of things.

If we want changes, we have to act! And that is what the ruling elite
fear most, once people start acting, their time
of oppression is over for
good. We can't do it alone though, we have to band together as one.

So please stop accusing me of things I never said.
Do you READ your posts?

let me reprint where you detail all the areas where we are victims and
powerless.

As for action - the Elite don't mind you acting.

Because they KNOW that the nature of your action will also be
determined by your BELIEFS.

For example, if you believe that you are powerless to change your financial
condition as you state we are - people will never take any positive action to
change beause they believe it is impossible to change.

When you CHANGE your beliefs, your action will change automatically in
alignment with these new beliefs.

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The law of attraction can be described in two simple phrases, and that is
all it means, nothing more and nothing less.

Focus on negativity, attracts negativity.
Focus on positivity, attracts positivity.

That is all it means, the law of attraction does not create our reality, we're
not responsible for everything that happens in our life. When we focus on
the bad, we will attract the bad, but that "bad" could be nothing more than
a fleeting feeling of depression.. it does not mean you're going to get your
house burglared. If someone breaks into your house it is because the person
used his free will to break into your house, not because you focused on a
bad thought.

The law of attraction is mostly spiritual, rather than physical. By focusing
on negativity, we make ourselves vulnerable to sadness and to negative
thoughts, which can lead to depression and a feeling of emptiness, it does
not lead to losing your job or having a piano fall on you. If you lose your
job then it is because your boss decided to fire you, if a piano falls on your
head then it is because workers were careless securing the piano.

The reason some are rich and most are poor, is because the ruling elite,
which are beings coming from another place in the Universe, who incarnate
as humans, made t
his civilization as a place of perpetuating harm, poverty
and suffering. It is because they created money, an inherently deviant
concept, to allow them to control and dominate the masses. They decide who gets to be rich and who gets to be poor.. there is some leeway for illusionary freedom, but not a lot.

The economic situation on Earth is a result of deception and oppression, it
has nothing to do with the law of attraction. The law of attraction has no
effect on who is rich and who is poor.. on who is born in Africa and who is
born in New York Wallstreet into a family of accountants and bankers
.
So do you honestly read what you write?

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western systems are law based functions that are stable because the strong survive through consumer principles.

Strong = force to "own" something. Violence in the name of ownership and survival.

which is not respecting in the freedom of everyone else and is truly a system that allows more harm then good. Look at charts and graphs about what percent of the population controls what.

to argue thats sustainable and natural, is just laughable.
Which could never have worked if we had sharia laws for instance....

The western world is based on the power of using your fullest potential, justice and freedom.

It's not the western world's fault that there is a lot of poverty. These poor people only focus on breeding children without having any ability to take care of them. No one can become rich by that.
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You clearly have no knowledge of dave icke's ideas about the
true nature of reality.

I don't have the time, the energy or the inclination
to go into them for you.

Your 'understanding' of the law of conscious creation, is I'm afraid
non-existent.

it has nothing at all to do with just 'thinkingG' positive thoughts or 'wish-
lists'.

That's just the nonsense you find in cheap, exploitative books like 'The
Secret'.
You really are lacking energy since you obviously didn't get what I said.
I don't like The Secret whatsoever....

Reality is - happiness and abundance comes from using your skills and brain to solve problems. Also, being able to get rid of retards that try and get in your way. Which Africa hasn't been good at. They are always meeting so much opposition when people want to be creative.

The western world based society on Christian principles. Very close to the truth. And it works.

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Which could never have worked if we had sharia laws for instance....

The western world is based on the power of using your fullest potential, justice and freedom.

It's not the western world's fault that there is a lot of poverty. These poor people only focus on breeding children without having any ability to take care of them. No one can become rich by that.
Linda28, it's the western world that caused all poverty in the world.. the only
reason we are so rich is because they are so poor. We feed on their resources
illegally, we place dictators in power to get cheap contracts and slave labour,
we dump our garbage on their soil so we don't have to pay for recycling it our
selves.

The western world is the sole cause of poverty in the world. The reason we
are so rich is because we are economic vampires that drain the resources of
the world and keep other nations poor, starving and full of conflict.

The western world is based on war, greed, oppression and deception.

The western world is the exact opposite of justice and freedom.. Your freedom
causes wars, poverty, genocide and global suffering. We feed on the world like
a massive leech, not stopping until the very last drop of blood is sucked up into
our stomach. Every conflict, no matter how remote, is caused by the western
world..

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Linda28, it's the western world that caused all poverty in the world.. the only
reason we are so rich is because they are so poor. We feed on their resources
illegally, we place dictators in power to get cheap contracts and slave labour,
we dump our garbage on their soil so we don't have to pay for recycling it our
selves.

The western world is the sole cause of poverty in the world. The reason we
are so rich is because we are economic vampires that drain the resources of
the world and keep other nations poor, starving and full of conflict.

The western world is based on war, greed, oppression and deception.

The western world is the exact opposite of justice and freedom.. Your freedom
causes wars, poverty, genocide and global suffering. We feed on the world like
a massive leech, not stopping until the very last drop of blood is sucked up into
our stomach. Every conflict, no matter how remote, is caused by the western
world..
Are you forgetting that Europe and USA was very poor not long ago? How did it become such a bliss living here? By using our brains to solve problems.

Africa, I've traveled there and seen how there is so much conflict everywhere. They are light years from thinking like us. It's not OUR fault that they are poor. It is very irresponsible to impregnate a woman that can't afford to eat. Not only once, but like ten times. Doing that IS their fault.
Not ours. And it says everything about the level they are at down there.

To get out of misery, one must take action.
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Are you forgetting that Europe and USA was very poor not long ago? How did it become such a bliss living here? By using our brains to solve problems.

Africa, I've traveled there and seen how there is so much conflict everywhere. They are light years from thinking like us. It's not OUR fault that they are poor. It is very irresponsible to impregnate a woman that can't afford to eat. Not only once, but like ten times. Doing that IS their fault.
Not ours. And it says everything about the level they are at down there.

To get out of misery, one must take action.
Please do some research on where all the resources of those poor countries
go to. Research who excavates them, research where they go and research
where the money goes. Also research how many the slaves get paid who
work for those companies.

If after that you still think those people have the opportunity to become rich
and well-faring through hard work, then all further discussion is pointless.

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You really are lacking energy since you obviously didn't get what I said.
I don't like The Secret whatsoever....

Reality is - happiness and abundance comes from using your skills and brain to solve problems. Also, being able to get rid of retards that try and get in your way. Which Africa hasn't been good at. They are always meeting so much opposition when people want to be creative.

The western world based society on Christian principles. Very close to the truth. And it works.
You are clearly clueless about the ideas Icke talks about.


BTW, I got exactly what you said - and it's complete nonsense.

As for Christainity - so I see you believe in this Elite created religion.

Says a lot.
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