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Old 16-10-2010, 10:38 PM   #21
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I don't feel it is a lie entirely, because I feel that the law of attraction does
exist, as positive energy attracts positive energy, and negative energy will
attract negative energy.. but it is only a small part of how our reality forms.

Our reality is not formed only by the law of attraction, we are not responsible
for everything that happens in our lives. There are other factors, such as
luck, free will, positive spiritual guidance and negative spiritual manipulation.
I agree that it's complicated. But it's not true that positive energy attracts positive energy/people. Many vampires and psychopaths lurk around positive people. Also, negative people/psychopaths attract positive women or men.

The concept that you can get a Ferrari by just wishing you had one, is not true though.
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Old 16-10-2010, 10:44 PM   #22
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I agree that it's complicated. But it's not true that positive energy attracts positive energy/people. Many vampires and psychopaths lurk around positive people. Also, negative people/psychopaths attract positive women or men.

The concept that you can get a Ferrari by just wishing you had one, is not true though.
I always experienced that by focusing on positivity, I attracted more
positivity, and that by focusing on negativity, I attracted more negativity,
so yes I do think it is true that a type of energy attracts the same type
of energy.

I don't feel it is true at all that negative people attract positive people, I
found that positive people will try and stay away from negative people as
much as they can. I also found that negative people don't want to deal
with the happiness of positive people, so they will seek out other negative
people.

If a person is very positive, then it is impossible for an energy vampire to
steal energy from him. The more negative a person is, the easier it is for
an energy vampire to connect with him and draw away his energy.

It is true that wishing you can get a ferrarri can't get you a ferrarri, but
by focusing on receiving a ferrarri, you will slightly improve your chances
of receiving one, or finding a way to afford one. But I agree that just to
wish is not enough, as the law of attraction only makes out a small part
of how our reality plays out.. as again, we are not responsible for every
thing that happens in our life.

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Old 16-10-2010, 10:45 PM   #23
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Sex is not inherently deviant, its purpose is to create life.. but just like atomic bombs,
which serve no purpose other than to cause destruction, money is inherently deviant.


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This is the complete nonsense that all the Elite created religions have
been spreading for centuries.

- trying to get the 'ordinary' people to believe that if you're rich and
wealthy, you are evil or a 'deviant'.


- that if you're poor - you are more spiritual - more godly. What
complete nonsense.

Don't you REALIZE that it was a CON - a mind control PROGRAM so
that the Elite could gain control of all the resources and wealth???

Money can build hospitals, it can feed the world - or it can equally
destroy the world.

its the INTENTION - the STATE of consciouness behind the use
of money that is the key - not the medium of exchange itself.

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Money is completely unnecessary to fairly spread resources to all who need them, its
only purpose is to allow the few to get rich and to gain power over the many who are
kept poor. That is its only purpose, it has no other purpose, and that is what makes it
inherently deviant.
Honestly, what planet do you live on ?

Tell me - next time you're in a large city-centre supermarket, with
hundreds of people needing to buy food- try exchanging your cat or a
painting of your house as a medium of exhange.

Sure, mate we'll all wait while the supermarket rings the farmer to see
if he's willing to exchange his eggs or meat for your painting!!


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A banana peel is garbage, an empty cookie box is garbage, someone sharing his beliefs is not garbage, not even if you disagree with it. Respect is a sign of intelligence you know
I can't have respect for ideas which are complete nonsense.

The are the ridiculous beliefs that all these matrix fear-based religions
have been spreading for centuries.

We need to empower people - not fill their heads with more
of these fear-based religious crap.
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Old 16-10-2010, 10:45 PM   #24
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Who is mark, seriously though, whom?

Again, there's something so huge in it's implications which is completely missed in this and many other contexts.

The deep study implied with regard the NLP thread seems to have forgotten something so very simple that it may appear as complicatedly over~looked perhaps.

When this is seen with presence and simple clarity without the identified story (remember the initial NLP training) then it's absolutely and laughably obvious that: what~is, simply is, without the implied and fictitious character.

So the apparent person who is attempting to attract (laughable I know) is not separate from what's ALREADY manifesting!!!

Also, within the manifestation as it's actually occuring, are characters who answer questions directed towards another appearing individual.

What does your extensive training tell you about that I wonder! lol

Ne'er mind,

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what~is, simply is
The basis of this is true. Additionally you could say that what will be is not yet written.

This is what the OP and the law of attraction are talking about.

To simply say what is - is, is to accept that any change does not come about by us but by external forces.

All change must initially come from within and the law of attraction is simply the outcome of that internal change. I do not mean ego change, I mean at a conscious level.

If you desire something at the ego level then it may not manifest.

Having clarity enables you to understand also that any and all thoughts we have lead to an outcome, so we better have better thoughts.

We attract all that we conceive.
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Old 16-10-2010, 10:49 PM   #25
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The law of attraction concept is a lie.
It's not a "new" concept either. They basically say that you should try and think positive instead of negative. Usually works a lot for everyone, but still everyone can not be rich.
I'm sorry but the law is EXACTLY the opposite.

read icke's tales of the time loop for a proper understanding of this law.

Why can't everyone experience abundance??

or do you believe the Elite's lie that poverty and scarity is the
natural order of things.


it's not.


The truth is the Elite have manipulated the law of conscious creation (
by manipulating your belief patterns) so that people unconsciously
create poverty instead of abundance

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Old 16-10-2010, 10:57 PM   #26
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I always experienced that by focusing on positivity, I attracted more
positivity, and that by focusing on negativity, I attracted more negativity,
so yes I do think it is true that a type of energy attracts the same type
of energy.

I don't feel it is true at all that negative people attract positive people, I
found that positive people will try and stay away from negative people as
much as they can. I also found that negative people don't want to deal
with the happiness of positive people, so they will seek out other negative
people.


If a person is very positive, then it is impossible for an energy vampire to
steal energy from him. The more negative a person is, the easier it is for
an energy vampire to connect with him and draw away his energy.


It is true that wishing you can get a ferrarri can't get you a ferrarri, but
by focusing on receiving a ferrarri, you will slightly improve your chances
of receiving one, or finding a way to afford one. But I agree that just to
wish is not enough, as the law of attraction only makes out a small part
of how our reality plays out.. as again, we are not responsible for every
thing that happens in our life.
Yes I know what you mean and of course that's true. Positive thinking makes positive feelings.

But when it comes to your self image, confidence, that's another story.
One can be a beauty queen, but fall in love with a dangerous psychopath who destroys you eventually. Many women do that I'm afraid.

And also, many positive people, are NOT perfect. There are many narcissists that are positive as long as things go their way.
And if they encounter someone they can abuse their power on, they will.

Not sure about the vampire drawing energy from negativity thing. Vampires are experts at drawing energy out of high spirit people. They attack in the weirdest ways, I actually encountered this lately, which made me realize how this works. One can not draw energy where there is no energy.

Negative people hang out with negative people perhaps because they fear they will be exposed as they will with positive people. They do wish to control the positive people though, as in leeching off them.
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Old 16-10-2010, 11:04 PM   #27
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I'm sorry but the law is EXACTLY the opposite.

read icke's tales of the time loop for a proper understanding of this law.

Why can't everyone experience abundance??

or do you believe the Elite's lie that poverty and scarity is the
natural order of things.


it's not.


The truth is the Elite have manipulated the law of conscious creation (
by manipulating your belief patterns) so that people unconsciously
create poverty instead of abundance
Then tell me how can everyone in the world be rich?

I'm sure the children in 3rd world countries would love to experience abundance, but reality is no matter how many times they write a wish list, that won't ever happen.

People that experience abundance, like in the western world, it's because you have a society based on rational thinking and hard work.

It's not the elite that creates poverty (for you).
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Old 16-10-2010, 11:24 PM   #28
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We attract all that we conceive.
Mark1963,

Sometimes, all it takes is a simple and very very obvious apperception at the most basic and elementary occurance of life, which can seem to confound and mystify an apparent separate mind which is still seeking answers to complicated questions!

It can't be told, shared, given, taught or understood because of the simplicity of it's actuality already.

And still, these words will be searched for deep meaning when there is none at all.

In short: maybe reading all my previous posts will happen, who knows?

All the best,

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Old 16-10-2010, 11:32 PM   #29
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Then tell me how can everyone in the world be rich?

I'm sure the children in 3rd world countries would love to experience abundance, but reality is no matter how many times they write a wish list, that won't ever happen.

People that experience abundance, like in the western world, it's because you have a society based on rational thinking and hard work.

It's not the elite that creates poverty (for you).
western systems are law based functions that are stable because the strong survive through consumer principles.

Strong = force to "own" something. Violence in the name of ownership and survival.

which is not respecting in the freedom of everyone else and is truly a system that allows more harm then good. Look at charts and graphs about what percent of the population controls what.

to argue thats sustainable and natural, is just laughable.
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Old 17-10-2010, 12:27 AM   #30
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Then tell me how can everyone in the world be rich?

I'm sure the children in 3rd world countries would love to experience abundance, but reality is no matter how many times they write a wish list, that won't ever happen.

People that experience abundance, like in the western world, it's because you have a society based on rational thinking and hard work.

It's not the elite that creates poverty (for you).
You clearly have no knowledge of dave icke's ideas about the
true nature of reality.

I don't have the time, the energy or the inclination
to go into them for you.

Your 'understanding' of the law of conscious creation, is I'm afraid
non-existent.

it has nothing at all to do with just 'thinkingG' positive thoughts or 'wish-
lists'.

That's just the nonsense you find in cheap, exploitative books like 'The
Secret'.
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That's just the nonsense you find in cheap, exploitative books like 'The Secret'.
lol

Mint!

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I don't understand your problem here.

Just because people abuse something doesn't make that thing itself bad.

Some people use sex to rape - that doesn't mean sex in itself
in inherently bad.

Likewise, there are a small group of people who are abusing the energy
of money.

The problem is with them - not the energy itself



Again, don't understand your problem here.

hOW does you being rich mean someone else has to be poor. Where
did you get that logic from.

There is enough abundance on this earth for everybody to be rich.

But some people have a scarcity consciousness - so scarcity is what
the'll expereince.

it's smply the law of life. Reality responds to our deepest beliefs.
my problem is this...and i can't say it any clearer

the law of attraction works around beliefs

i have a belief that money is used to enslave humanity. and in it's current paradigm it, is...you cannot deny how the federal reserve and the money system works...it controls the good and services we deal with and the value of money fluctuates based on how much is in circulation

that is my belief, and it's true, that is how the money system works...so what i'm saying is, how can i have that belief AND attract money, as the two seem to be polar opposites...my inherent belief about money repels it from me, by way of resistance...and resistance is the only thing that keeps you from attaining what you want (whether conscious or unconscious...usually unconscious)
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Old 17-10-2010, 02:57 AM   #33
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[CENTER]Hey ambler1980,

Let me ask you a question if I may?

In all of the individual cases where attraction hasn't or isn't yet working out for the people trying to do this, in your own experience, what do you think may be happening?
i know what's happening, i said it in my OP...resistance is happening...i know i have resistance to money, that's why it's not coming to me the way i want it...resistance is the only thing keeping you from having what you want.
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Old 17-10-2010, 02:57 AM   #34
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The Law of Attraction seems to often be troublesome to people, but I find it relatively easy: I also feel films like "the secret" have made it harder in some ways to understand

About 20 years ago, in one of my early phases of spiritual awakening, I simply came to understand "energy attracts"

And since all energy is consciousness:

"consciousness attracts"

And that was simple and clear, our states of consciousness defined our reality, our thoughts attract whatever we shape thoughts about: both what we desire and what we fear

Mind is pulled every which way by polarities, and thus cannot truly see what is happening around it

Consciousness is still, and thus has the power to know

Just how it is

So to me the new-age-secret-spun version is simply putting a framework on a far deeper and profound truth to sell the perspective to an audience

Fine

It is what it is

But it will never entirely make sense, as its not entirely meant to: it is a perspective skewed towards its audience

The Map is not the Territory

The actual universe does make "sense"

In that its natural state is harmony

Oneness:

The balance of all Energy

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Rich isn't rich without others being poor. If everyone would be rich they
would not be rich anymore. For others to have more than others, some
have to have less than others.

This is why money is inherently deviant, not just its use, but money itself
is deviant, because money allows the few to have more than the many,
and that on its turn allows the few to have power and control over the
many. Just like a nuclear bomb is inherently deviant, and not just the use
of a bomb, so is money too inherently deviant, no matter how it is used.

Money can seemingly be used for good, but that is always an illusion, as
money itself is still deviant.. no matter what you use money for, in some
way, you are always causing misery somewhere else, by using it.

Just like a sword or a gun is a negative symbol for death and suffering, so
is money a negative symbol for death and suffering. You can use a sword
to cut a tomato, but somewhere, a sword is being used to cut off some
one's head. You can use a gun for target practice, but somewhere a gun
is used to shoot someone through the head. By owning that sword, or by
owning that gun, you contribute to the death and suffering of others.

You can use money to buy bread, but somewhere money is being used to
buy bombs, missiles and weapons.. and the very conception if money was
for the few to gain control and domination over the many. Without money
it would be much, much harder for the darkness to control the masses.

Money is completely unnecessary for the fair distribution of resources, so
logically, money, which was created for the sole reason of control and
domination, is not a neutral energy.. it is a negative one, and deeply so.

No advanced civilization will ever use money or currency of any kind.
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that is my belief, and it's true, that is how the money system works...so what i'm saying is, how can i have that belief AND attract money, as the two seem to be polar opposites...my inherent belief about money repels it from me, by way of resistance...and resistance is the only thing that keeps you from attaining what you want (whether conscious or unconscious...usually unconscious)
If you don't believe in it, you certainly won't attract it

Unless you play "the game" of it

(on the basis you know money is illusion but the other apes dont know that)

^^^

Still, that state of consciousness is not really very helpful

It's better to go beyond money, and put one's energy into better things

True, its really not easy not to create a little money, for bills and so on, the question is what we create in the times we are not "working for the man"
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nobody can seem to give me a straight answer about the law of attraction.
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I don't know much about the law of attraction, but maybe instead of trying to attract money, just try to attract enough to make ends meet, for your needs to be met, and enough left over to allow you a few creature comforts. I think the idea of trying to become a millionaire by using the law of attraction seems doomed from the start. The intent seems a bit questionable to me. Why not just try to attract enough, not try to attract more than you can ever spend (not that a million dollars can't be spent very quickly these days, but I think the point is made.)
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i dunno, no one has given me a satisfactory response to my OP...it was pretty straight forward, i don't see what the problem is...instead of attacking me for not doing it properly or whatever, why not answer the question

even law attraction gurus must know how the money system works...it is pyramid scheme and you cannot have rich without poor...PERIOD, it is not possible, as there would be no such thing as a rich person if everyone was rich. so...how can you hold two contradictary beliefs like that and still attract that kind of wealth? unless they simply don't care that the system is based on greed and ignore it.
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Old 17-10-2010, 10:02 AM   #40
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nobody can seem to give me a straight answer about the law of attraction.
Because nobody really knows!
Even these so called 'gurus' of the law of attraction, do you think they really understand what they are selling?

Ive got a question...
Where did the law of attraction come from?
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