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Old 16-01-2018, 08:02 PM   #1
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Is God competent or incompetent?

We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

Do you agree?

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Old 16-01-2018, 08:37 PM   #2
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Neither! God is indifferent!

Except when you do something to piss him off.....
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Except when you do something to piss him off.....
WHAT did you do fairyprincess?
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Old 16-01-2018, 08:45 PM   #5
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WHAT did you do fairyprincess?

As a transgendered atheist??? I dont know what he could have against me!!!!!
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Old 16-01-2018, 09:02 PM   #6
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Is God competent or incompetent?

We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

Do you agree?

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As a transgendered atheist??? I dont know what he could have against me!!!!!
uh that's a tricky one at that.
You might have just admitted that you are a closet god believer!!
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uh that's a tricky one at that.
You might have just admitted that you are a closet god believer!!
Nah.... Im just playing devils advocate......
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Old 16-01-2018, 11:27 PM   #9
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Is God competent or incompetent?

We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.

God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?

I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.
God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.
God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.
God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.
God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.
God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.

Do you agree?

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Yeah, and he gave us free will on a prison planet. Fat lot of good that can do us with built in restrictions.
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Before one can judge competent or incompetent, I think you have to define the job description. Then look at the goals and figure out if desired outcomes have been met.
It all depends on the desired outcomes--God's that is.
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Is God competent or incompetent?
Your thinking has been fucked up by all this christian BULLSHIT...

Forget it all and start from scratch.....

Now what is your problem with this reality ????

It's a free will universe , you can have whatever you want ...you have a roof over your head ??? plenty of food ???? So stop complaining

Any aspects you don't like , YOU can change .
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Yep, God is a failure...according to a book written by the devil.
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Old 17-01-2018, 01:12 PM   #13
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Yep, God is a failure...according to a book written by the devil.
Can you provide us with ISBN? Ta!
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Old 17-01-2018, 06:22 PM   #14
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Neither! God is indifferent!
Strange that you cannot judge competence or the lack of it.

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Old 17-01-2018, 06:23 PM   #15
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WHAT did you do fairyprincess?
She likely refused to idol worship the way Christians do.

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Old 17-01-2018, 06:25 PM   #16
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True.

Elshaper has a quote in his sig showing why shit happens.

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Yeah, and he gave us free will on a prison planet. Fat lot of good that can do us with built in restrictions.
Free will God style is overrated.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

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Before one can judge competent or incompetent, I think you have to define the job description. Then look at the goals and figure out if desired outcomes have been met.
It all depends on the desired outcomes--God's that is.
Since god does a lot of killing, I think it safe to say that things are not going his way.

Tell us though, how can you know anything about a supernatural God?

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Your thinking has been fucked up by all this christian BULLSHIT...

Forget it all and start from scratch.....

Now what is your problem with this reality ????

It's a free will universe , you can have whatever you want ...you have a roof over your head ??? plenty of food ???? So stop complaining

Any aspects you don't like , YOU can change .
I am working on the changes I want to see.

If I could have whatever I wanted, I would not be working so hard.

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Old 17-01-2018, 06:32 PM   #20
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Yep, God is a failure...according to a book written by the devil.
You mean written by evil men. Right?

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