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Old 14-04-2011, 05:33 AM   #1
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I have been trying to find any peace treaty or official declaration of peace from WWII.

A country is under military rule once war is declared and that was done in September of 1939 by Neville Chamberlain.

I cannot find a peace treaty for the UK. Japan certainly had one some years after the war.

It seems to me we are under secret military rule and possibly martial law until a peace treaty is signed.

This of course would have a massive effect on the interpretation of the law in courts, etc.
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Old 14-04-2011, 06:27 AM   #2
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I have been trying to find any peace treaty or official declaration of peace from WWII.

A country is under military rule once war is declared and that was done in September of 1939 by Neville Chamberlain.

I cannot find a peace treaty for the UK. Japan certainly had one some years after the war.

It seems to me we are under secret military rule and possibly martial law until a peace treaty is signed.

This of course would have a massive effect on the interpretation of the law in courts, etc.
I wouldn't worry too much, just declare yourself as a monk/legally dead and any rules of society will not apply according to your other thread
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absolutley correct income tax is not mandatory unless the country is in a state of war.
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I wouldn't worry too much, just declare yourself as a monk/legally dead and any rules of society will not apply according to your other thread

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absolutley correct income tax is not mandatory unless the country is in a state of war.
Interesting.
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Old 14-04-2011, 08:30 PM   #6
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There was no formal Peace Treaty signed with Germany at the end of WWII.


Sounds like the perfect subject for one of your FOI Requests, Mark.

Can't wait to see the ducking and diving, diversion and deflection.
I'm sure the multiple references to alleged historical documents which IMPLY a Peace Treaty was signed will be numerous ... but as for the genuine article ... 'hen's teeth', 'hell freezing over' and 'Obama's birth certificate' come to mind
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Old 14-04-2011, 08:34 PM   #7
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So in effect the courts we are dealing with are what?
Military Courts?

That would explain more than admiralty why you have no say and you are raped. However, an officer even in the army rather than the navy which we are also operating under comes under severe penalties for abuse of that.

Death.

Why do you think they will NOT GIVE YOU THEIR OATH.
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Good stuff Mark and thanks for your help.

There was no formal peace treaty signed. Fact. No need but why not let them hang themselves but they will just write a weasel letter saying we cannot give this information under the foi as it is under the Official Secrets Act.

Tinyint is an expert on the history of the German side of things and if you go to the Libya Central Bank thread started by Soliel you will see his research on that. I believe Germany is also on the precipice of becoming a Common Law Country because of this but lets see if they relinquish power.

I do hope you lurkers pull knock yourself out and get off your arses and start spreading the word in your communities. Now is the most pristine time to act. The cuts have not even began to sink in and people are raging.

yesterday.
They increased Road Car Insurance by another stonking 30%, yes 30%. Why? More accident claims and fraudulent claims. (yeah they always trot that ol chestnut out especially to scousers). Total bigoted bullshit of course.

Today
£418 million is coming off the transport subsidy. What so many FMOL not paying their re-venues then? Surely not.

So those of us rendered bankrupt and criminalised overnight for going a mere 7 miles over the speed limit will again be shoved up the backside on the buses. As if rides on the buses are not trips from hell as it is.

Oh yes keep piling it on whatever, whomever you are.

Armagedoom.

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Yesterday
Interests Rates are to remain the same due to the unexpected .2% drop in inflation. Given a sigh of relief that the Rank of England are NOT GOING TO GIVE AN INTEREST RATE HIKE.

Ah but could this be because all the Mr Kipper landlords stand to benefit massively from a interest rate hike? Surely not. Would the slowly put that 15% interest elsewhere? Our tories? Never. People are NOT THAT STUPID. They'd never spot that they were being given in one hand and robbed in the other would they?

Yesterday
All my troubles seemed so far away.
A staggering 183,000 young people have dropped from the Euro Zone and found work.
Now this is because they can't get benefits. Must stay at home and live with their parents and been put onto 4-9 hour contracts of employment. Well pocket money for the working class leeches eh?
Don't forget it was only 30 years ago that it was not uncommon to be married by the time you 18. Not now eh.

Today BIG News
Monster Cameron is getting really honest and saying what is on everyone's lips well the EDL skanks.

Immigration. I won't report. You all know what the rhetoric is.

I mean you cut all subsidies to your youth. You make it impossible for them to work and copulate and drop sprogs and hey you need to bring in young immigrants to fill the tax voids left by all these dole-ite graduates. Not to mention older graduates who are also on the scrap tip.

Now the young are not even considering going to uni.

Mr Kipper landlords. Time to lash them properties.
Dem student towns are gonna be ghost towns this time next year. This includes my beloved Liverpool. Well maybe I might get a decent slum to live in.
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Old 14-04-2011, 08:56 PM   #10
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why not let them hang themselves but they will just write a weasel letter saying we cannot give this information under the foi as it is under the Official Secrets Act.
Wouldn't fly.

The formal Peace Treaty with Japan - I think it was 1952 off the top of my head - is public info and out there for all to see.
It should be incredibly simple for them to produce; the formal Peace Treaty with Germany after WWII?
I mean, come on ... that SHOULD be one of the easiest documents to get their hands on!

By formal Peace Treaty, it is meant one which complies with the Law of Nations and all International Law as a formal Peace Treaty.
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Old 14-04-2011, 09:00 PM   #11
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Like I said there isn't one. It is one of the ways they have had the smoking gun to Germany's head so to speak.

Not that they seem to be doing too badly out of it economically. Though I'm lead to believe they have NO formal rights at law, unlike us.


What I said to Tiny of the top of my head but just a hunch. If you take over a nation by force and where there is reasonable suspicion of wrong doing on the part of the colonisers it reverts back to it's Sovereign status. No?

In other words the contract the UN have with Germany is void abnitio
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Yep.

Dwight Eisenhower's post war appointment should give a big clue
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Old 14-04-2011, 09:16 PM   #13
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Remind me. Forgotten my modern world history that I did at o'level. What friggin use was that.
He created the State of Israel I think I remember that.
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Supreme Allied Commander Europe
He was the first; a post created in 1951.



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Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) is the central command of NATO military forces. It is located at Casteau, north of the Belgian city of Mons. From 1951, SHAPE was the headquarters of operational forces in the European theatre (Allied Command Europe, ACE), but since 2003 SHAPE has been the headquarters of Allied Command Operations (ACO) controlling all allied operations worldwide.

SHAPE retained its traditional name with reference to Europe for legal reasons although the geographical scope of its activities was extended in 2003. At that time, NATO's command in Lisbon, historically part of the Atlantic command, was reassigned to ACO. The commanding officer of Allied Command Operations has also retained the title "Supreme Allied Commander Europe" (SACEUR), and continues to be a U.S. four-star general officer or flag officer who also serves as Commander, U.S. European Command.
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I dunno if this is relavent, but i thought i'd throw it into the conversation anyhows. (its just my speculation)

in essence before the outbreak of ww2, the nazi party pretty much crushed all political opposition, theirfore (to my way of thinking) became the only legal force operating in Germany.

After world war 2, the allies decided amongst themselves to dissolve the nazi party and created a new political entity called the 'Federal Republic of Germany', so maybe the reason for no peace treaty is the fact their was no corporation to make peace with, cause they had dissolved the nazi party and created a new one. (sly)

this would add up with the east west german split as well after ww2, cause if one was under capitalists and the other communists, their would need to exist 2 seperate entitys that didnt exist prior to ww2. If you read the bottom quote you'll notice that the woman who investigated this, discovered that 3 months after the FRG dissolved, east and west Germany merged. which seems to fit in nicely.

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The Enabling Act, combined with the Reichstag Fire Decree, transformed Hitler's government into a legal dictatorship.

on 14 July, the Nazi Party was declared the only legal party in Germany as big business and the army stood on the sidelines.[77]

President Paul von Hindenburg died on 2 August 1934. Rather than call new elections as required by the constitution, Hitler's cabinet passed a law proclaiming the presidency vacant and transferred the role and powers of the head of state to Hitler as Führer und Reichskanzler (leader and chancellor). This action effectively removed the last legal remedy by which Hitler could be dismissed – and with it, nearly all institutional checks and balances on his power.

In 1938, two scandals resulted in Hitler bringing the Armed Forces under his control. Hitler forced the resignation of his War Minister (formerly Defense Minister), Werner von Blomberg, after evidence surfaced that Blomberg's new wife had a criminal past.

Hitler and his clique removed army commander Werner von Fritsch on suspicion of homosexuality.[82]

More importantly, Hitler announced he was assuming personal command of the armed forces. The next day, the newspapers announced, "Strongest concentration of powers in Führer's hands!"
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Although the Nazi Party for all practical purposes ceased functioning after May 1945, it was not formally dissolved by the Allies until 20 September 1945. This appeared in Article 38 of the "Agreement Between Governments of the United Kingdom, United States of America, and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the Provisional Government of the French Republic on Certain Additional Requirements to be Imposed on Germany," which reads: "The National Socialist German Workers' Party (NDSAP) is completely and finally abolished and declared to be illegal." This ban has remained in place in Germany to the present day.
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The Federal Republic of Germany (BRD), devised by the post-war occupying authorities in the western sector as a corporate settlement agency not designed to replace the pre-Hitler German Reich of 1918, had, following re-unification, legally expired on 18 July 1990 by dint of an international treaty, just three months before the official reunification of West and East Germany. [1]
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We know the motive for this system of law. Let us take this example which I take for the purpose of demonstrating banking and not necessarily that those involved happen perchance to be Jewish.

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Throughout the 1980s and 90s and through to the crash in September 2008, the chairmen of the privately-owned (Cabal-owned) Federal Reserve, the ‘US’ central bank, were Alan Greenspan (Rothschild Zionist) and Bernard Bernanke (Rothschild Zionist), who remains to this day. Greenspan set about his task through the administrations of Bush-Reagan, Father Bush, Bill Clinton and Boy Bush to delete the checks and balances, otherwise known as ‘regulation’, which firewalled the system to some extent from the worst consequences of unrestrained greed and corruption running riot.

He was supported in this by all those presidents and ‘their’ choices for Treasury Secretary, not least Larry Summers (Rothschild Zionist) and Robert Rubin (Rothschild Zionist) who held the post during Bill Clinton’s reign and deregulated at every opportunity in league with Greenspan. The script was unfolding with its inevitable and disastrous outcome.

It was the same story with a Rubin protégé called Timothy Geithner (Rothschild Zionist) who joined the deregulation frenzy when he became president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the most influential in the Fed’s private network. Obama later chose the same Geithner and Summers to 'solve the banking crisis' they had done so much to cause.

At the same time, with the ring fences gone pretty much in the financial industry, the salivating smart suits were unleashed with a bonus for every mortgage and other deal they got someone to sign up to. The ‘client’ did not need to have the money necessary - they just needed to sign for the bonus tills to ching. ‘You wanna house, but got no money? No problem, sign here.’ Ching, ching.

The banks then sold off these debts, which they knew were bound to default, but gave them a triple-A rating, in other words they said it was a couldn’t-fail investment. This is a blatant fraud, but these heartless, soulless purveyors of greed and mendacity have not seen the inside of a courtroom, let alone a jail cell. Instead, they have walked away with billions personally and trillions collectively - and we pick up the tab.
Now what system of law even martial law allows Captains to get away with this.

In the fleet of Admiralty a ship conquered (by stealth contracts) is the Captains own. This is why he cannot be brought to justice.

The fact that we are debating and trying to ascertain just WHAT and HOW, they are pulling the wool over our eyes should tell us something shouldn't it?

Gaddafi must be killed.

Whilst we in the West are on the brink of starvation when we are the most prosperous countries on the planet.

Oh I beg to differ about who exactly must be killed.

I'm in no mood for debates about the fairness of death row either. I think Death Row is a really good system for a controlling psychopath. 10 years languishing in a cage before you are electrocuted. class.
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I dunno if this is relavent, but i thought i'd throw it into the conversation anyhows. (its just my speculation)

in essence before the outbreak of ww2, the nazi party pretty much crushed all political opposition, theirfore (to my way of thinking) became the only legal force operating in Germany.

After world war 2, the allies decided amongst themselves to dissolve the nazi party and created a new political entity called the 'Federal Republic of Germany', so maybe the reason for no peace treaty is the fact their was no corporation to make peace with, cause they had dissolved the nazi party and created a new one. (sly)
Then what you are describing is not a Peace Treaty; it describes an annexing.

So if the 'Allied Administration' was an annexation, there is no Germany, per se.
It is part of an Allied Commonwealth, just as Australia, Canada and New Zealand [and others] are autonomous and yet subject to the Crown.

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Today the sovereign is regarded as the legal personality of the Australian state, which is therefore referred to as Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Australia. For example, if a lawsuit is filed against the Commonwealth government, the respondent is formally described as Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Australia, or simply Regina. Likewise, in a case in which a party sues both the state of Queensland and the federal government, the respondents would formally be called Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Queensland and Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Australia.
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Without a valid government (Hitler had left his brains all over the Fuhrerbunker & Doenitz, his successor, was in jail) the Germans weren't really in any position to negotiate a Peace Treaty.

How was this 'problem' resolved? The Potsdam Agreement which settled Germany's affairs amongst other things. You don't need a Peace Treaty to conclude a war (especially when you've thoroughly thrashed your opponent)
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Without a valid government (Hitler had left his brains all over the Fuhrerbunker & Doenitz, his successor, was in jail) the Germans weren't really in any position to negotiate a Peace Treaty.

How was this 'problem' resolved? The Potsdam Agreement which settled Germany's affairs amongst other things. You don't need a Peace Treaty to conclude a war (especially when you've thoroughly thrashed your opponent)
So you're confirming there is no Peace Treaty?
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A peace treaty is an agreement between two or more hostile parties, usually countries or governments, that formally ends a state of war between the parties. It is different from an armistice, which is an agreement to stop hostilities, or a surrender, in which an army agrees to give up arms, or a ceasefire in which the parties may agree to temporarily or permanently stop fighting.
The Potsdam Agreement was an Administration Agreement.
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The Potsdam Agreement was the Allied (UK, US, USSR) plan of tripartite military occupation and reconstruction of Nazi Germany and the entire European Theatre of War territory. During the Second World War (1939–45), in the Potsdam Conference (17 July –2 August 1945), the Allies agreed to and adopted the Berlin Conference (formal title of the Potsdam Agreement); the signators were Prime Minister Winston Churchill, President Harry Truman, and Secretary Joseph Stalin; afterwards, consequent to the popular UK General Election of 1945, Prime Minister Clement Attlee replaced Churchill as the UK’s Conference representative.
No 'German' signature.
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