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Old 17-03-2014, 10:06 PM   #2021
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Soul lives, it's eternal you.
Ego is just a character you acuire for this life. If you believe in reincarnation, you will get another ego, slightly different. But soul will always be the same.

Nothing to do with accusation.
I was merely pointing out your inconsistancy.
Exactly, imp too.

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Old 17-03-2014, 10:29 PM   #2022
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SW, shouldn't have started talking about souls, you have confused them to no end now, lol.
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Old 17-03-2014, 10:39 PM   #2023
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SW, shouldn't have started talking about souls, you have confused them to no end now, lol.
Really, Mr picklez01 - you must know what a 'soul' is then.

Maybe you could enlighten us, as you imply you are not confused.

And then tell us why a soul that has total freewill should lose totally all that freewill simply because it incarnates in another dimension of energy.

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Old 17-03-2014, 10:44 PM   #2024
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Really, Mr picklez01 - you must know what a 'soul' is then.

Maybe you could enlighten us, as you imply you are not confused.

And then tell us why a soul that has total freewill should lose totally all that freewill simply because it incarnates in another dimension of energy.
I politlely asked you a question and you ignored it, why should I bother answering your questions?
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Old 17-03-2014, 11:10 PM   #2025
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I politlely asked you a question and you ignored it, why should I bother answering your questions?
So I take that as you haven't a clue either!!
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Old 17-03-2014, 11:13 PM   #2026
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So I take that as you haven't a clue either!!
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

A part of the brain that controls fear and anger, when a regular person gets a brain tumour there they become uncontrollably violent; do these people have free will in your opinion?
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Old 17-03-2014, 11:45 PM   #2027
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Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

A part of the brain that controls fear and anger, when a regular person gets a brain tumour there they become uncontrollably violent; do these people have free will in your opinion?
of course not, because they have 'lost' Consciousness.


Now, in response to your arrogant post that the rest of us would now be confused - but not you and Mr SW........

....Could you then tell us what you think a soul is and why it has to lose freewill once it enters this new dimension of energy.

Cheers!

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Old 18-03-2014, 01:43 AM   #2028
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of course not, because they have 'lost' Consciousness.


Now, in response to your arrogant post that the rest of us would now be confused - but not you and Mr SW........

....Could you then tell us what you think a soul is and why it has to lose freewill once it enters this new dimension of energy.

Cheers!
Right, ok. So how about individuals who have neurological disorders, schizophrenics, do they have free will?

Surely they can't have free will either can they?

What about children who suffer child abuse which shows significant changes in the brain, do they have free will? Statistics prove that if a child is physically abused he/she is about 300% more likely to be violent as an adult.

Suddenly your notion of free will is broken down and the water becomes muddy. How exactly can it be determined who has free will and who doesn't? If by some miracle, some have free will and some don't. The idea that some can have free will and some can't is just silly.
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Old 18-03-2014, 01:46 AM   #2029
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To answer your question, for me it's really quite simple, I don't believe in souls.

What is a soul? It can't be defined because everyone has their own interpretation.
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Old 18-03-2014, 03:01 AM   #2030
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Soul lives, it's eternal you.
Ego is just a character you acuire for this life. If you believe in reincarnation, you will get another ego, slightly different. But soul will always be the same.

Nothing to do with accusation.
I was merely pointing out your inconsistancy.
So again, you seem to be agreeing with me, yes the ego is just a collection of sensory inputs that you have acquired since conception.

The problem is that this collection of sensory inputs has assumed control, convincing its carrier that it is the most important thing in the universe.

I disagree about the soul though, the soul is evolving, just as we are, everything is evolving, nothing stops the same.

Still no inconsistency and with each and every post you make you seem to be agreeing with me more and more
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Old 18-03-2014, 03:12 AM   #2031
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Otherwise you'll keep on misrepresenting my position and writing complete bollocks like that I consider ego to be the most important force.

That's an insult considering what has been posted to you so far.
I understand your position, I just don't agree with it fully, parts of it I do but not all.

You say you are infinite consciousness, fine.

So your ego must be part of that infinite consciousness.

What happens to your ego when your physical shell dies?
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Old 18-03-2014, 03:17 AM   #2032
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But why bother doing that when you believe the person has absolutely no freewill or choice to change.

ARE you saying that if you change their perception, then they will have some freewill or a choice to change???

Otherwise you are being totally dishonest to that person.
This proves that even after 100 pages, you still have no idea of what I am talking about.

I am saying simply, that I can be the cause that changes their perception for the good and I have shown the mechanism for doing this, I have actually done it in real life, it works.


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But you are not.

You believe the alcoholic has no freewill, no choice to change.

So why are you refusing to tell him that truth.

Again, I asked what would you say to an alcoholic?
You are right, he has absolutely no choice, if he changes he was always going to, if he doesn't then he wasn't.


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So why are you refusing to tell the alcoholic the truth of your beliefs?
I am not, I am telling him my beliefs 100%

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That, according to you he is de facto powerless and totally at the mercy of other forces - and has no choice in the
matter of whether he can stop drinking or not.
Yes, this is 100% the case, he will always be caused to do whatever he does.
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Old 18-03-2014, 03:21 AM   #2033
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That's not an answer.........sounds more like you can't explain the conflict here in your ideas.
There is no conflict, only your misunderstanding.

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Soul???

What is a soul, Mr sandwarrior?

IMP, we are INFINITE CONSCIOUSNES.....and that is all that is.

We ARE that Consciousness now, always have been, and always will be.

And Infinite Consciousness CAN be the one and the many.......the great paradox or mystery of being.

The One is ONE ....yet can express and experience itself as the MANY in an infinity of forms ........for all eternity.
Soul, infinite consciousness, label it as you will.

It is the aspect of us that is 100% important.

Now back to the premise of this thread.

Have you thought of anything that isn't caused yet?

If not then you accept free will on blind faith.
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Old 18-03-2014, 03:23 AM   #2034
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my ego entity doesn't exist now.....in any real sense..........so why would it exist after death.
Of course it exists now and it has assumed 100% control over your meat suit.

It is the commander of your destiny, or at least it thinks it is

How can you say that seanx doesn't exist?

Very strange.
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Old 18-03-2014, 03:28 AM   #2035
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Really, Mr picklez01 - you must know what a 'soul' is then.

Maybe you could enlighten us, as you imply you are not confused.

And then tell us why a soul that has total freewill should lose totally all that freewill simply because it incarnates in another dimension of energy.
This sentence alone says that you either haven't read the thread or you have totally misunderstood it.

The premise is that the soul evolves through our physical shell, it gets exactly the experience it needs to evolve, through us.

The only way it can do this is to know what experience it is going to get and the mechanism that allows that, is cause and effect.

If we had free will the soul would have absolutely no idea what experience it was going to get when it incarnated.
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Old 18-03-2014, 05:20 AM   #2036
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of course not, because they have 'lost' Consciousness.
How can you lose consciousness, if we are infinite consciousness?

It seems you have differing meanings for the word consciousness, care to elaborate?
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Old 18-03-2014, 09:08 AM   #2037
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So again, you seem to be agreeing with me, yes the ego is just a collection of sensory inputs that you have acquired since conception.

The problem is that this collection of sensory inputs has assumed control, convincing its carrier that it is the most important thing in the universe.

I disagree about the soul though, the soul is evolving, just as we are, everything is evolving, nothing stops the same.

Still no inconsistency and with each and every post you make you seem to be agreeing with me more and more
Can you quote where I said souls do not evolve? Or are you feeding words into my mouth. I think the way you read other people's posts is causing much confusion. All I said was that soul lives on and it's eternal. You didn't even ask about the evolution. You only asked below.

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Concerning the accusation over separation, to yourself and seanx.

What happens to your ego entity when your physical shell dies?

Is your soul and your ego entity still one?

If so, how?
You need to learn to read.
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Old 18-03-2014, 09:12 AM   #2038
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Can you quote where I said souls do not evolve? Or are you feeding words into my mouth. I think the way you read other people's posts is causing much confusion. All I said was that soul lives on and it's eternal. You didn't even ask about the evolution. You only asked below.
Yes, no problem at all.

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Soul lives, it's eternal you.
Ego is just a character you acuire for this life. If you believe in reincarnation, you will get another ego, slightly different. But soul will always be the same.
If something is always the same, it negates evolution which implies change.

Yes?


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Old 18-03-2014, 10:53 AM   #2039
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To answer your question, for me it's really quite simple, I don't believe in souls.

What is a soul? It can't be defined because everyone has their own interpretation.
In other words, you hadn't a clue what Mr. SW was talking about....you just wrote another one of your arrogant twat posts pretending you did!!

Stop disrupting a decent thread like a good man.
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How can you lose consciousness, if we are infinite consciousness?

It seems you have differing meanings for the word consciousness, care to elaborate?
That is why I used quotes on the word, 'lost' , because there is no real word to describe these matters.

it seems you are grasping at straws now, sir to maintain your position.

Again, to understand these terms, I direct you to have a look at least at a few of Icke's books so that you can understand the terms that are been talked about here.
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