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Old 20-11-2009, 09:30 PM   #81
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From the #1254751382 mail. This one is really long and contains some good stuff:

"The CO2 emissions only accelerate the warming and there are other
factors controlling climate.

As a result, the entire process may
be going slower than the powers that be would like. Hence, (I
postulate) the global warming contingent has substantial
motivation to be dishonest or seriously biased, and to be loyal
to their equally dishonest club members.

Among the motivations
are increased and continued grant funding, university
advancement, job advancement, profits and payoffs from carbon
control advocates such as Gore, being in the limelight, and
other motivating factors I am too inexperienced to identify."
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Old 20-11-2009, 09:45 PM   #82
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Or.....

http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/...emails-hacked/

and...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/

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Old 20-11-2009, 09:52 PM   #83
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Default It's about control and enslavement NOT science

click on link, lots of pics:

http://globalwarmingcon.blogspot.com/
"Water vapor is 95% of the greenhouse gases, CO2 is 3.618% and man made CO2 is even more miniscule, only 0.117%. CO2 molecules in the atmosphere are so diffuse that is impossible for CO2 to cause global warming. Repeat: CO2 can NOT cause warming."

CO2 can NOT cause warming!

Water vapor is near 100% of the global warming gases. The earth is a water planet, it has lots and lots of water, so much water its blue from space.
CO2 is a trace gas, it can NOT cause global warming, the entire scam is a hoax of catastrophic proportions because the evil ones want to shut down man's energy production as a way to kill humans.

Al Gore should be prosecuted under RICO, ALL HIS ASSETS SEIZED under the law for promoting and getting rich (he's personally made like a billion dollars on this carbon trading scam) on this fraud.
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:05 PM   #84
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Something doesn't 'feel' right ... just a knot in my gut.
Its all too ... convenient ... staged ...

Right now, I have a fence post rammed uncomfortably deep inside my rectal passage ... and regardless of how painful that might prove to be, I'm not going to stop sitting on this fence of cynicism until the initial euphoria of this 'news' dissipates.
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:09 PM   #85
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Something doesn't 'feel' right ... just a knot in my gut.
Its all too ... convenient ... staged ...

Right now, I have a fence post rammed uncomfortably deep inside my rectal passage ... and regardless of how painful that might prove to be, I'm not going to stop sitting on this fence of cynicism until the initial euphoria of this 'news' dissipates.
Nah...This is real...telegraph wouldn't have run story otherwise......

Tell me...Is this story as big as I think it is?!!

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Old 20-11-2009, 10:10 PM   #86
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The liars at realclimate.org have responded

The CRU hack
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* Climate Science

— group @ 20 November 2009

As many of you will be aware, a large number of emails from the University of East Anglia webmail server were hacked recently (Despite some confusion generated by Anthony Watts, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Hadley Centre which is a completely separate institution). As people are also no doubt aware the breaking into of computers and releasing private information is illegal, and regardless of how they were obtained, posting private correspondence without permission is unethical. We therefore aren’t going to post any of the emails here. We were made aware of the existence of this archive last Tuesday morning when the hackers attempted to upload it to RealClimate, and we notified CRU of their possible security breach later that day.

Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12) are being widely circulated, and therefore require some comment. Some of them involve people here (and the archive includes the first RealClimate email we ever sent out to colleagues) and include discussions we’ve had with the CRU folk on topics related to the surface temperature record and some paleo-related issues, mainly to ensure that posting were accurate.

Since emails are normally intended to be private, people writing them are, shall we say, somewhat freer in expressing themselves than they would in a public statement. For instance, we are sure it comes as no shock to know that many scientists do not hold Steve McIntyre in high regard. Nor that a large group of them thought that the Soon and Baliunas (2003), Douglass et al (2008) or McClean et al (2009) papers were not very good (to say the least) and should not have been published. These sentiments have been made abundantly clear in the literature (though possibly less bluntly).

More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

Instead, there is a peek into how scientists actually interact and the conflicts show that the community is a far cry from the monolith that is sometimes imagined. People working constructively to improve joint publications; scientists who are friendly and agree on many of the big picture issues, disagreeing at times about details and engaging in ‘robust’ discussions; Scientists expressing frustration at the misrepresentation of their work in politicized arenas and complaining when media reports get it wrong; Scientists resenting the time they have to take out of their research to deal with over-hyped nonsense. None of this should be shocking.

It’s obvious that the noise-generating components of the blogosphere will generate a lot of noise about this. but it’s important to remember that science doesn’t work because people are polite at all times. Gravity isn’t a useful theory because Newton was a nice person. QED isn’t powerful because Feynman was respectful of other people around him. Science works because different groups go about trying to find the best approximations of the truth, and are generally very competitive about that. That the same scientists can still all agree on the wording of an IPCC chapter for instance is thus even more remarkable.

No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

The timing of this particular episode is probably not coincidental. But if cherry-picked out-of-context phrases from stolen personal emails is the only response to the weight of the scientific evidence for the human influence on climate change, then there probably isn’t much to it.

There are of course lessons to be learned. Clearly no-one would have gone to this trouble if the academic object of study was the mating habits of European butterflies. That community’s internal discussions are probably safe from the public eye. But it is important to remember that emails do seem to exist forever, and that there is always a chance that they will be inadvertently released. Most people do not act as if this is true, but they probably should.

It is tempting to point fingers and declare that people should not have been so open with their thoughts, but who amongst us would really be happy to have all of their email made public?

Let he who is without PIN cast the the first stone.

more fun...

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On 9/5/09 8:44 AM, “Darrell Kaufman” wrote:

All:
I received my first hate mail this AM, which helped me to realize that I shouldn’t be wasting time reading the blogs.

Regarding the “upside down man”, as Nick’s plot shows, when flipped, the Korttajarvi series has little impact on the overall reconstructions. Also, the series was not included in the calibration. Nonetheless, it’s unfortunate that I flipped the Korttajarvi data. We used the density data as the temperature proxy, as recommended to me by Antii Ojala (co-author of the original work). It’s weakly inversely related to organic matter content. I should have used the inverse of density as the temperature proxy. I probably got confused by the fact that the 20th century shows very high density values and I inadvertently equated that directly with temperature.

This is new territory for me, but not acknowledging an error might come back to bite us. I suggest that we nip it in the bud and write a brief update showing the corrected composite (Nick’s graph) and post it to RealClimate. Do you all agree?


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/1...ed/#more-12937

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Old 20-11-2009, 10:10 PM   #87
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Something doesn't 'feel' right ... just a knot in my gut.
Its all too ... convenient ... staged ...

Right now, I have a fence post rammed uncomfortably deep inside my rectal passage ... and regardless of how painful that might prove to be, I'm not going to stop sitting on this fence of cynicism until the initial euphoria of this 'news' dissipates.
You'll forgive me as I have a mental picture of a freshly varnished piece of 4 x 4 fence post supporting you, in this hour of need...
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:11 PM   #88
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click on link, lots of pics:

http://globalwarmingcon.blogspot.com/
"Water vapor is 95% of the greenhouse gases, CO2 is 3.618% and man made CO2 is even more miniscule, only 0.117%. CO2 molecules in the atmosphere are so diffuse that is impossible for CO2 to cause global warming. Repeat: CO2 can NOT cause warming."

CO2 can NOT cause warming!

Water vapor is near 100% of the global warming gases. The earth is a water planet, it has lots and lots of water, so much water its blue from space.
CO2 is a trace gas, it can NOT cause global warming, the entire scam is a hoax of catastrophic proportions because the evil ones want to shut down man's energy production as a way to kill humans.

Al Gore should be prosecuted under RICO, ALL HIS ASSETS SEIZED under the law for promoting and getting rich (he's personally made like a billion dollars on this carbon trading scam) on this fraud.
them theres some good facts. they can shove their tax on life and breathing up their fucking ass
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:14 PM   #89
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Check out the money these guys have been attracting.
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:16 PM   #90
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This is FUCKING HUGE!!!
fair play to the hacker...Unless it was a pissed off employee/whistle blower....KUDOS

Cannot fucking wait til Guardian have a comments section about this open.....MUGS
MENBOIT and his ilk are fucking getting it with both barrels...LENTIL EATING ALARMIST CUNTS.....

If they kick you off just download vidalia and go back on with a new email too.....
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:17 PM   #91
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There are over 1000 emails....No one would go to this trouble if it wasn't authentic.....

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Nah...This is real...telegraph wouldn't have run story otherwise......

Tell me...Is this story as big as I think it is?!!
i reckon it is. just imagine all the people who are seeing this story, then comparing it to the coverage on places like the bbc. anyone with eyes can see how they are whitewashing it and i think we may have a few more visitors in the coming week.

whether they manage to spin it and hide it away is unlikely. coupled with the disgraceful use of fear on all these climate change ads, people dont like their kids being fcked around with like this.

either way it is a massive issue and i wouldnt disagree with the telegraph guy who called it the biggest scientific scandal ever or something
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:20 PM   #93
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This is FUCKING HUGE!!!
fair play to the hacker...Unless it was a pissed off employee/whistle blower....KUDOS

Cannot fucking wait til Guardian have a comments section about this open.....MUGS
MENBOIT and his ilk are fucking getting it with both barrels...LENTIL EATING ALARMIST CUNTS.....If they kick you off just download vidalia and go back on with a new email too.....
Frase.. I wish you'd say what you mean my friend!!
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:21 PM   #94
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This is FUCKING HUGE!!!
fair play to the hacker...Unless it was a pissed off employee/whistle blower....KUDOS

Cannot fucking wait til Guardian have a comments section about this open.....MUGS
MENBOIT and his ilk are fucking getting it with both barrels...LENTIL EATING ALARMIST CUNTS.....

If they kick you off just download vidalia and go back on with a new email too.....
ever tried a tarka daal? im sure they are some people who look at the guardian who arent fooled by their attempts at denying the truth. monbiot is a proper annoying know it all though
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:35 PM   #95
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Frase.. I wish you'd say what you mean my friend!!
hahah
Hey this is aa big result today...Let's grab it with both hands....
Now where are the keys to my 4x4....
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Old 20-11-2009, 10:41 PM   #96
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Here we go... the globalist AGW climate-fraudsters hit back...

It isn't a conspiracy, seems the poor globalist 'scientists' are upset when they are questioned by us sceptics and this made them write 'nasty' emails !

Bob Ward is Policy and Communications Director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics and Political Science

[and he is very pissed-off at the conspiracy being outed of course - keep his credentials in-mind when you read this bullshit]
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This climate email-hacking episode is generating more heat than light


Another skirmish has broken out in the long-running battle between climate scientists and so-called sceptics, and this one is likely to lead to more public confusion

Bob Ward
guardian.co.uk, Friday 20 November 2009 20.40 GMT

Another skirmish has broken out in the long-running battle between climate scientists and so-called sceptics, with the hacking of email messages between some of the world's leading researchers on global temperature trends. But as usually happens in the blogosphere, this episode is generating more heat than light and is likely to lead to more public confusion over the causes of climate change.

For the past few years, a small group of climate change 'sceptics' have been poring over scientific journal papers that report historical trends in temperatures from around the world, as recorded by directly by thermometers and other instruments, and by 'proxies', such as tree rings. Their primary objective has been to seek out evidence that global warming has been invented by climate researchers who fake their data.

Among their main targets have been papers published by research teams led by Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University and Phil Jones at the University of East Anglia, and particularly those featuring the famous 'hockey stick' graph, showing that average temperature in the northern hemisphere was relatively stable and constant for most of the last couple of millennia, but rose dramatically upwards in the last 100 years. This graph appeared prominently in the landmark Third Assessment Report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2001, which concluded that "most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations".

The attacks on the hockey stick graph led the United States National Academy of Sciences to carry out an investigation, concluding in 2006 that although there had been no improper conduct by the researchers, they may have expressed higher levels of confidence in their main conclusions than was warranted by the evidence.

The 'sceptics' believe they have been vindicated and have presented the hockey stick graph as proof that global warming is not occurring. In doing so, they have ignored the academy's other conclusion that "surface temperature reconstructions for periods prior to the industrial era are only one of multiple lines of evidence supporting the conclusion that climatic warming is occurring in response to human activities, and they are not the primary evidence".

More importantly, these skeptics have not overturned the well-established basic physics of the greenhouse effect, namely that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and increasing its concentration in the atmosphere causes the earth to warm. They also have not managed to make melting glaciers and rising sea levels, or any other evidence of warming, disappear into thin air. But they have managed to confuse some of the public about the causes of climate change.

Over the past five years, Mann and Jones in particular have been subjected not only to legitimate scrutiny by other researchers, but also to a co-ordinated campaign of personal attacks on their reputation by 'sceptics'. If the hacked e-mails are genuine, they only show that climate researchers are human, and that they speak badly in private about 'sceptics' who accuse them of fraud.

It is inevitable as we approach the crucial meeting in conference in Copenhagen in December that the sceptics would try some stunt to try to undermine a global agreement on climate change. There is no smoking gun, but just a lot of smoke without fire.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-email-hacking
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Fox are running this now......oops.....Whats that I hear you alarmists?
Crying into your lentils with your SCAM?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html
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Fox are running this now......oops.....Whats that I hear you alarmists?
Crying into your lentils with your SCAM?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html
Lentils? ROFL!!!
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Something doesn't 'feel' right ... just a knot in my gut.
Its all too ... convenient ... staged ...

Right now, I have a fence post rammed uncomfortably deep inside my rectal passage ... and regardless of how painful that might prove to be, I'm not going to stop sitting on this fence of cynicism until the initial euphoria of this 'news' dissipates.
Humm it does seem too good to be true.

I will have a new image spring to mind the next time I hear the expression..."shity end of the stick"

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