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Old 22-04-2017, 10:58 PM   #41
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The truth is, in 'celebrity' and elite circles, this stuff is par for the course. It really is. Sadly, ordinary people get caught up in it, where life is cheap and instant gratification is everything. It's a (very lucrative) industry in and of itself... Epstein was just the tip of the iceberg...

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...Bani gave me hundreds of names of celebrities, models, actresses who have all at one time or the other had sex for money. The thing is, he also had proof. For every single person there was a receipt or photos or some other kind of written record that tied that celebrity to being paid for sex.

I’m not sure how many names Bani went through in his books. At some points he would flip through pages like he was speed reading and other times he would slow down and even others completely stop what he was doing so he could elaborate on a person or a point I wanted him to clarify. Conservatively I say he gave me about 500 names. These names go back over four decades.

From the last twenty years I probably knew eighty percent of the names. Prior to that, they had to be a big name for me to know. I was shocked by some and not by others. One of them married a friend of mine. Do I tell him? Out of the 500, there were about a dozen that made my jaw drop. I actually knew about two of the dozen, but it was nice to actually know I had been right.

To see that paper in front of you that shows you that the sister of a Duchess manages to finance her life by frequent weekend visits to the Middle East and that the permanent A++ list celebrity who might be the biggest A++ list celebrity of all-time was not above some one on one time. Bani says that the latter person was at one point the highest paid person ever but that she has since been eclipsed by several others who don’t hold a candle to the A++ lister.
Read more (The Celebrity Sex Broker [Part One]): http://crazydaysandnights.net/2015/0...-part-one.html
Part 2:http://crazydaysandnights.net/2015/0...-part-two.html
Part 3:http://crazydaysandnights.net/2015/0...art-three.html
Part 4:http://crazydaysandnights.net/2015/0...part-four.html
Part 5:http://crazydaysandnights.net/2015/0...part-five.html

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Old 22-04-2017, 11:08 PM   #42
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A certain name has popped up a couple of times and google confirmed the story was out there.
I know what you mean about seeming like they were all at it back then but looking back to even when I was a child I couldn't really see the appeal of a few of them...Saville and Harris particularly stood out to me as of questionable talent and likeability, I understand now though sadly.
I've never really had any interest in the alleged perpetrator until quite recently really, thought he was a Genuine gentleman to be honest. In saying that though,he can answer his own case, I won't be looking to excuse the crime or dismiss his guilt. I would much rather empathise with the victim, who is one unless proven otherwise.
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Old 22-04-2017, 11:38 PM   #43
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yep I agree ooosh , people adults and children should be believed when they say they have suffered sexual abuse

while the accused must also be granted the obvious innocent until proven guilty, it is vital for people who have suffered abuse that people believe them if they are ever expected to move on with their life and try living without carrying that burden around
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Old 27-04-2017, 12:37 PM   #44
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I wouldn't put it quite like that but, you are quite right in my opinion. If Jimmy Savile approached me when I was 14 I would have been sick, but, if Robert Plant had approached me at that age well.......just saying
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THE BACKSTORY: Lori Maddox was a part of the Los Angeles groupie scene beginning in the early 1970s. According to Maddox, Page became infatuated with her and had a roadie bring Maddox up to his suite at the L.A. Hyatt House. "[He was] wearing this hat over his eyes and holding a cane," she remembered. "He looked just like a gangster. It was magnificent." The pair went on to have a torrid affair over the next few years.
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I hear ya, but women also need to take on some personal responsibility as well.
Responsibility for being raped? She may take responsibility for:
Going back to his hotel room
Taking a sip of alcohol

And that is it.
Not for her vagina being used.

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She went back to his hotel room- what did she think was going to happen? A game of Guess Who?
I can't say at 14 if I trailed behind a man I fancied I'd expect to be raped. I wouldn't expect sex, even if I thought I wanted it. Maybe he would kiss me, or ask for my number - treat me nicely. Quoting the article, "the girls going along hoping to meet their idol and get an autograph"...

Whatever SHE thought would happen, whatever YOU think SHE wanted, he forced himself on her. "He zipped it down and what had started as affectionate and safe, almost, was suddenly becoming painful and forceful, not comfortable." Even IF this girl went back to his room wanting sex, that would have been fantasy - the reality of an adult man dominating her was rough, uncomfortable.

"He had me on the bed in one fell swoop". That is dominating. It became "painful and forceful" - you may say 'because she was a virgin, apparently' - and in which case, in a bout of consensual sex the experienced party, or simply the penetrating party, would, out of human decency, stop, slow down, re-assess, comfort, communicate. Force is the act of a rapist.

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All I'm saying, and don't blast me for this- but you can understand how it sends mixed signals. She was taken advantage of- of that I have no doubt. But the key questions are, did he know she was underage, and did she express her unwillingness to consent?
She must have expressed pain and discomfort, which sounds like withdrawal of consent... Do you know of any decent man who would keep thrusting into a wincing or unresponsive partner who has given absolutely NO positive feedback?

Here, here's consent broken down nice 'n' easy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ

"If you ask them if they want a cup of tea, and they say: 'uhh, I'm not really sure' - then, you can make them a cup of tea, or not, but be aware that they might not drink it. ...And if they don't drink it... don't make them drink it."
She did not say "I want to have sex". She, at 14, cannot have initiated a non-verbal, adult indication of serious willingness and ability to have adult sex. You may compare it to her not being sure if she wanted tea. I think she didn't under any circumstances fucking expect tea, but there you go. Do you make her drink the tea? Force it down her throat? He MADE her take it. He pinned her down and had his way, without any hesitation to penetrate if it went from "affectionate" to "painful" so quickly.

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Even at 14, you know what champagne is, you know what going back to someone's room is all about. So it sends a confused message, and women do need to take some responsibility for the situations they put themselves in- harsh but true.
I'm sorry, this is the bit that disgusts me.
Responsibility for the situations, eh?

Scenario: woman gets raped walking home down a dark street.
"Well, you need to take responsibility for being out so late alone!"
No one needs to take responsibility for rape but the rapist.
"You wouldn't've been raped if you'd've gone home with someone who could protect you"
She wouldn't have been raped if there wasn't a rapist.
This is the argument we're in.

Women are in situations all throughout their lives in which they must trust men to be alone with them. We are alone with fathers, brothers, friends, classmates, teachers - and rapists will be people's fathers, brothers, sons, and friends. Are we really suggesting that ANY responsibility befalls the victim for what happens when someone fucked up enough to sexually violate another human being actually does it? That we could have - no - SHOULD have done something differently, should have never been alone with him? Should have worn a longer skirt? That is why we are now physically torn, upset, shaken, bruised? Do we want to wholly distrust men, always? The day-to-day assumption should not be that men are rapists!

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If he didn't know that she was underage, it's difficult to argue that he took advantage of her- because he was presuming consent if she never expressed otherwise. I'll get blasted again for saying this, but these things happen if you're mixing in adult circles. She should never have found herself in that situation to begin with. That said, to wait some 40+ years (?) after the event to go public, on the back of other high-profile cases... I don't know...
"presumed consent if never expressed otherwise"
See: the tea example again.
So, you never ASK someone if they want tea, but you make it for them because you presume they want it.
Do you force them to drink it?

Do you physically force your body inside someone else's because they haven't said they DON'T want you to? What about when they can't say no? A mute, unconscious persons taken - is that not rape? You do not have to yell "no!" for your penetration to be rape.

A 14 year old girl was flattered by some compliments in the hotel room of her favourite star.
A 14 year old girl was "naive".
A 14 year old girl presumed that someone she looked up to would not hurt her, and began to believe he may even be good to her, after positive attention.

Does a decent adult man take whatever comes his way? Does a decent adult man allow himself to get "confused" by the "mixed messages" of a 14 year old? Does a decent adult man observe the youth in a 14 year old and let his attraction to her youngness not only flourish, but be known to her directly (which, because of the vast difference in their maturity levels, will haunt and disturb her in the future)? Does a decent man penetrate with no care for his partner's comfort? Does a decent man take the girl he wants no matter what because, well, she LIKED him, didn't she? No, no, no and no - so he's a rapist, isn't he.
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Sorry if my comments caused offence- it definitely wasn't my intention, and I'm certainly not intimating that anyone deserves to get raped. I think too much has been inferred about what I said.

It's not something I want to get into a back and forth about- because I can absolutely see both sides. If anything, I'm just voicing another perspective, which isn't to say that it's right or wrong- it's very much case specific. That said, we don't live in a world where we can rely on anyone to do the right thing by us- men or women. In view of that, then yes- we do have to take some personal responsibility for the situations we put ourselves in. Does that mean that a woman walking home alone at 3am after a night out drinking is asking to be raped? OF COURSE NOT. That clearly isn't what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that such actions do put the woman at higher risk, and that common sense would dictate you don't put yourself in risky situations if you want to stay safe. It's not fair, and it's not right that we have to think that way- but that is the sad reality of the world we live in, whether we like it or not.

It's a very delicate issue and apologies if my comments seemed insensitive- on reflection they definitely were. In fairness, I did think back to when I was a similar age- I used to watch bands and honestly, if I'd gone backstage and then gone to a hotel room I would've understood it wasn't for a game of scrabble. We all knew about groupies. Maybe she didn't. I've put myself in stupid situations before and when I look back I absolutely cringe- I feel very fortunate that nothing bad happened. If it had, I do think I'd feel partially responsible for putting myself in that situation though. If he didn't know she was underage, then it's possible that as far as he was concerned it was just a normal consensual hook up- but I don't know- I wasn't there.

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Old 30-04-2017, 08:29 AM   #47
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yeh sorry wandered off topic

is it supposed to be about Tom Jones then ? someone mentioned him earlier

it seems that basically everyone from my childhood who was on TV has now been shown to be interested in sex with minors

everyone that is except people who are still protected from investigation - I'm sure there are many more who will never be named

it seems there was a dont ask dont tell policy in the so called entertainment industry

it does need to be exposed for what it is and if only to stop it being repeated

have you heard of a woman called Melanie Shaw ? she is still in prison I think , her crime is talking about the sexual abuse she suffered , they call her mentally ill
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Actually, every man is a walking penis and has all sorts of penis thoughts all day every day

Any man who tries to tell you otherwise is lying to appear ' gentle ' so he can ravish you later, I sometimes hate being this honest but basically 9/10 men you walked past today thought about a quickie even if it was a split second thought

There is a line though, between thought and actions and hopefully we like to live in a society where you don't cross that line every time you have that thought

Otherwise there would be a lot of raping going on , for the most part men can control it

As to the OP -- is it Tom Fucking JOnes ???????

Really? ???????????????????????
When people say stuff like this. I find it suspicious and worrying.

Nobody knows how anyone really feels but them. I don't know how you can speak for 'all men'.

Do you think there's a chance this says more about you? And that you clinging to the belief, that all men are 'the same' to justify a somewhat darker sexual appetite????

I've religious men on TV say the only reason they don't just 'take' women, is because god tells them its wrong. Which, in that case, makes me grateful for religion....

Not that I'm call you a rapist, of course.....
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Old 30-04-2017, 08:48 AM   #48
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When people say stuff like this. I find it suspicious and worrying.

Nobody knows how anyone really feels but them. I don't know how you can speak for 'all men'.

Do you think there's a chance this says more about you? And that you clinging to the belief, that all men are 'the same' to justify a somewhat darker sexual appetite????

I've religious men on TV say the only reason they don't just 'take' women, is because god tells them its wrong. Which, in that case, makes me grateful for religion....

Not that I'm call you a rapist, of course.....
Woah, come on- that's a bit much.

He doesn't need to speak for 'all men'- just take a look at the adult entertainment industry, worth ~$14 billion annually*. Mostly catering for men, although the female market is also growing.

Prostitution, the world's oldest profession and so on...

Most of the men that I've known enjoy sex, think about sex a lot, want lots of sex and there's nothing wrong with that so long as everything's consensual. That's not a dark sexual appetite- it's pretty standard.

Personally I'm no fan of pornography, for various reasons (one of which being, it can lead to 'dark sexual appetites')- but it's clear that the demand is there.

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According to various reports, currently, the porn industry is worth approximately $97 billion. This money is enough to feed 4.8 billion people a day. But then again, the industry is satisfying a different hunger. All of this when it is consistently struggling with legal issues and piracy. In fact, every year, Hollywood releases roughly 600 movies and makes $10 billion in profit. Porn industry? 13,000 films and close to $15 billion in profit. The porn industry makes more money than Major League Baseball, The National Football League and The NBA combined. It’s clear which sports people prefer the most.

From the US alone, the industry generates roughly $10-12 billion every year. This is astounding when you realize that making a porno or acting in one is not legal in most states of the USA.

...This is not surprising when you realize that every second, more than 30 million people are watching some sort of pornographic content.

When asked, “If you could say one thing to someone who’s looking at pornography, what would you say?”, Shelly Lubben, a former actress, said, “You’re contributing to your demise. And to your family’s demise, and your wife’s.”
http://www.highonbrands.com/porn-industry/

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Old 30-04-2017, 08:58 AM   #49
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When people say stuff like this. I find it suspicious and worrying.

Nobody knows how anyone really feels but them. I don't know how you can speak for 'all men'.

Do you think there's a chance this says more about you? And that you clinging to the belief, that all men are 'the same' to justify a somewhat darker sexual appetite????

I've religious men on TV say the only reason they don't just 'take' women, is because god tells them its wrong. Which, in that case, makes me grateful for religion....

Not that I'm call you a rapist, of course.....
Hes being a realist.

Don't know what world you live in, but from my experience he is speaking the truth.

I'm not calling you a rapist, but I'm going to infer you might be one?
Wtf??
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It's a good example of the fact that you're walking a bit of a minefield when posting on a forum sometimes- because the sort of discussion you might have normally- offhand comments, just thinking outloud etc., other people can read too much into it, or potentially be really offended by it.

I feel pretty awful to think that if someone had been abused and then read my comments above, it could be really hurtful to them. Everyone filters things through their own lens- sometimes you're not always thinking about who could be reading and how it might be interpreted by them.

On the other hand, some people also have a tendency to deliberately misconstrue what's been said.

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When people say stuff like this. I find it suspicious and worrying.

Nobody knows how anyone really feels but them. I don't know how you can speak for 'all men'.

Do you think there's a chance this says more about you? And that you clinging to the belief, that all men are 'the same' to justify a somewhat darker sexual appetite????

I've religious men on TV say the only reason they don't just 'take' women, is because god tells them its wrong. Which, in that case, makes me grateful for religion....

Not that I'm call you a rapist, of course.....
You have obviously never worked in the construction industry. Full of men , typical kind of men you know, the dumb ones who fix things smart people buy.

Like houses.

I've worked in the industry on both sides of the Atlantic , the kind of men I hang around with appreciate the female form. They joke and they make crass comments to each other about sex and often after shes gone will comment on a females body, or her words depending on what made the biggest impression.
Occasionally one of them gets the bright idea they are going to approach the woman and the rest of the guys laugh at him and tell him he is fucking dreaming.


As men mature they tend to slow down with the comments, tend to tell the younger ones to show a bit of respect and if you asked any of them what they thought about raping someone they would be disgusted and if you suggested you had interests in a 14 year old girl they would probably want to end your life for you and do us all a favour.

But what the hell do I know ? I'm just a typical male who works got married and made some fantastic and healthy children who have no serious medical conditions at all and I feel very lucky and very protective of them.

That's the problem these days isn't it , men are allowed to shoulder the burden of history and be blamed for things they haven't done but when they try and speak about things they know about from the perspective of men we are not allowed to talk for all men.

I guess we should have FairyPrincess as the ambassador for men in future.

I'm sure you have a much better idea how men feel.


*edit* and before anybody accuses me of trying to justify rape please consider I all ready apologised for going off topic in this thread and clearly stated the correct thing to do is take a persons word for it that they have been sexually abused because it's clear that it helps people who have genuinely gone through it and gives them the support structure they desperately need to carry on with their life as best they can.

I am not at all sorry however for stating the bleeding obvious which is that men think about sex a lot

I am not here to apologise for nature.
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I hear ya, but women also need to take on some personal responsibility as well. She went back to his hotel room- what did she think was going to happen? A game of Guess Who? I understand that she was a young naive girl- which begs the question why she was attending a rock concert without adult supervision in the first place...

All I'm saying, and don't blast me for this- but you can understand how it sends mixed signals. She was taken advantage of- of that I have no doubt. But the key questions are, did he know she was underage, and did she express her unwillingness to consent?

Even at 14, you know what champagne is, you know what going back to someone's room is all about. So it sends a confused message, and women do need to take some responsibility for the situations they put themselves in- harsh but true.

If he didn't know that she was underage, it's difficult to argue that he took advantage of her- because he was presuming consent if she never expressed otherwise. I'll get blasted again for saying this, but these things happen if you're mixing in adult circles. She should never have found herself in that situation to begin with. That said, to wait some 40+ years (?) after the event to go public, on the back of other high-profile cases... I don't know...
I've read her account- and she was forced into by him- he plied her with what sounds like drugged champagne- she said it tasted bitter ( champagne tastes sweet not bitter) and after a few sips of it she went numb and he put her on the bed and got on top of her. A few sips of champagne is not gonna make someone go numb, not even a 14 year old. He drugged her with the intent to make her unable to stop him the filthy pervert. He knew she was an inexperienced virgin- girls that young and inexperienced are different to experienced girls in looks and manner. A man like that who'd been with loads of women can tell when someone is young and inexperienced- he got his flunky to get her alone- she wasn't even planning to go to his hotel room- she wanted an autograph and the flunky took her to this perv's room which she was not expecting.
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My main query was why, after already having drinks and spending time socially with the star, did she then choose to further that interaction by going to the bedroom. She could have got her autograph and left at that point. Obviously I don't condone rape, that goes without saying. But women do need to take some personal responsibility for their own actions also- if you go to the bedroom for some 'private time', it's hardly a surprise that the man got the wrong idea- superstar or not. When he unzipped her jumpsuit, that was her opportunity to say NO. At that point, it was clear where things were headed. But it was allowed to progress. Did she say NO?

Again, it's difficult because if she didn't say NO, then how was he supposed to know that it was non-consensual? She was clearly too young and far too immature to deal with the situation- but is that his fault if he was presuming she was older than she was?
She was tricked into going into that room alone- she was with other people and then the pop star's flunky took her alone into the room and shut the door. She was then given champagne which sounded drugged to me as she said it tasted bitter and disgusting- after a few sips she went numb and could hardly speak or move and he put her on the bed and got on top of her and he was telling her it wouldn't hurt if she relaxed. He knew full well she was a young virgin- whether she was 14 , 16 or 18 or even 28 would still make it wrong, but I bet he could see she wasn't over 18.
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She was tricked into going into that room alone- she was with other people and then the pop star's flunky took her alone into the room and shut the door. She was then given champagne which sounded drugged to me as she said it tasted bitter and disgusting- after a few sips she went numb and could hardly speak or move and he put her on the bed and got on top of her and he was telling her it wouldn't hurt if she relaxed. He knew full well she was a young virgin- whether she was 14 , 16 or 18 or even 28 would still make it wrong, but I bet he could see she wasn't over 18.
Yes, I hear what you're saying on this- my initial reaction was based on the amount of time it's taken for this to suddenly be brought up (40+ years or so?), and just trying to consider other possibilities- it's not even playing devil's advocate, it's just acknowledging that we don't have all of the facts. That said though, if this was his modus operandi then maybe there will be other accounts from other young girls which will lend further support to her statement.

Please don't get me wrong on this, I'm in no way making excuses for rape- I was just taking into consideration that he might not have realised she was underage etc. I can completely understand her not reporting it at the time, but 40 years does seem a long time to wait.

If he was a predator then it's highly doubtful she's the only one- time will tell and hopefully justice will be served. If he was deliberately targeting young naive girls, then he deserves all he's got coming to him. The bottom line is though, sexual abuse of children is currently at endemic levels- shockingly so. E-commerce statistics are a real eye-opener, in terms of just how prevalent this problem is. Police time and resources also need to be allocated to those children who are currently suffering, and in my opinion nowhere near enough is being done to address that.

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See things like this, to me, just expose what a complete fucking farce it all is.

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Cambridge University professor who shared 'extremely graphic' child rape fantasies online and had 2,000 illegal images of youngsters including one of a BABY walks free from court because judge says he is a 'low risk' to children

A Cambridge University poetry professor who had more than 2,000 child abuse images - including one of a baby - has walked free from court.

...Of the almost 2,000 indecent images found, 45 were in the most serious Category A.

...Yahoo chat logs containing 'extremely graphic' child abuse fantasies and software allowing access to the Dark Web were also found on some of the four computers seized, the court heard.

Other images shows 'pubescent and pre-pubescent' girls as young as 10 being sexually abused, and one of a baby.

Sentencing him, Judge David Farrell QC said: 'You are an intelligent man, a professor of English literature at the University of Cambridge.

'As such, in my judgment, you must have know that by accessing and viewing indecent images of children you were indirectly encouraging the abuse of children.

'You were looking at these images for your own perverted sexual gratification.'

...Jarvis' 12-month sentence was suspended for two years, with a 10-year sexual harm prevention order and £670 in prosecution costs.

But, the judge added, Jarvis had been open with police about 'what has been described as having an addiction to porn that progressed and included indecent images of children'.

He said Jarvis posed a 'low to moderate risk' to children and had taken steps since his arrest to get help, and would receive better treatment and rehabilitation if he was not immediately jailed.

The court heard while the oldest charged related to material from 2011 he admitted to NCA officers to viewing child abuse material online since 2000.

After his arrest he told investigators he had sexual fantasies about young girls, sometimes as young as four.

...Mr Weekes said computer analysts also found Jarvis had exchanged more than 5,000 lines of 'exceptionally graphic' messages about role-play sex with children to another paedophile.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-images.html

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See things like this, to me, just expose what a complete fucking farce it all is.


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yeah but cambridge is part of their thing....a major recruitment ground for spooks
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Tells you everything you need to know, doesn't it. Sick fucking bastards.

I genuinely can't even articulate what I feel about that.

That's one of the issues with 'historical' abuse cases, not that they shouldn't be heard- of course they should- but for fucks sake just look at what is going on right here and right NOW. It's all a magician's trick- make it look like they're taking these concerns seriously whilst ignoring what is going on right under their fucking noses. The internet has made this stuff big business- BIG business- everyone just ignores it, the BIG problem, and focuses on the latest celebrity scandal. Preaching to the choir here but... what can you even say.

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yeah but cambridge is part of their thing....a major recruitment ground for spooks
Just listened to Richie Allen's interview of Barry Trower--he says that of the names he was given by victims of child sex abuse about abusers that most abusers were from Cambridge/Oxford and elite private/public schools. Makes sense, then, that a professor from Cambridge is into this child porn.

Sickening how little punishment the guy got.
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Just listened to Richie Allen's interview of Barry Trower--he says that of the names he was given by victims of child sex abuse about abusers that most abusers were from Cambridge/Oxford and elite private/public schools. Makes sense, then, that a professor from Cambridge is into this child porn.

Sickening how little punishment the guy got.
they're just more bricks in the wall

the establishment types aren't just trying to protect a few pedos....they're trying to prop up their entire hierarchical system and way of life

if they can get dirt on people early on eg at university then they can control them moving forward. This is why we hear about these strange initition rites eg cameron putting his dick in a dead pig or the skull and bones initiations etc. they're proving that they're willing to get their hands dirty to be a part of the club
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